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Jul 5, 2009

It seems like that was something everyone except George Lucas was pushing for, but I don't know if it ever actually made it in to a script - at least the 1981 rough draft that's floating around online has him alive the whole way through, but published notes about the other early drafts have the Falcon being destroyed during the Death Star escape in one of them.

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Jul 5, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

But it's more the Empire's doctrine; the TIE fighters are basically primarily for defense and task forces most of the time, the Star Destroyers are the stars of the show. The Empire in general relies on heavy warships for intimidation as much as practicality, with the Death Star being the local apex of this idea- they might not respond quickly, but they'll come down on you like a ton of bricks once they do.

The Rebellion of course lacks the Empire's resources and uniformity, with their fleets being a ragtag mix of antiquated fighters, repurposed luxury liners, and whatever materiel they can beg, borrow or steal. The X-Wing is one design they do have because it was originally made for the Empire then the entire design team defected. (Of course, who knows if the Empire would actually consider it worth building given the abovementioned doctrine)

It makes sense ideologically too. In the Empire, individual people don't matter, and shouldn't feel empowered. No single person can turn the Death Star against Palpatine, and no single person is allowed to be a threat to him.

In the Rebellion, every individual counts. It only takes one lucky shot to destroy the Death Star, and it only takes one person to throw Sheev into a pit.

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Jul 5, 2009

Musluk posted:

Was that used in anywhere but the new trilogy before? I was warned not to touch the Expanded Universe.

Yeah, but not on purpose. A few reference books mention a battle during the Clone Wars where a Republic ship's hyperdrive was damaged forced a jump to hyperspace, colliding with a Separatist planet and rendering it uninhabitable.

There was also weapons like the Galaxy Gun, which used hyperdrives to shoot missiles across the galaxy, but the missiles didn't hit anything while in hyperspace.

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Jul 5, 2009

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Ion cannon knocked out shields which let you unleash hell. There was probably some sort of protection against ion blasts, but I don't think they were in any of the movies. Otherwise, why wouldn't every big ship have half its firepower dedicated to ion weapons?

Some of them did. Republic ships during the Clone Wars fired blue lasers, which had previously been established as ion weapons in the games. Eventually they retconned it so that Clone weapons were ionized to be more effective against droids.

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Jul 5, 2009

fartknocker posted:

The old EU shields protected against physical objects as well. It’s regularly mentioned that a big part of Rebel starfighter tactics (And combat between ships in general) is to hammer a capital ship shield with torpedos or missiles until it drops, usually allowing some of the barrage to break through.

There's also distinctions between different kinds of shields. Ray shields only protect against lasers and blasters, but allow physical objects through. Though that's not even consistent within the movies, since ray shields will allow a torpedo through to blow up the Death Star, but also trap Anakin and Obi-Wan in ROTS.

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Jul 5, 2009

Some Goon posted:

:actually: it was just called The Tarkin. And those comics owned bones. Where's my Valance and Baron Tagge miniserieses Disney?

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Jul 5, 2009

aphid_licker posted:

Seems like that thing should need an equally huge power generation or storage thingy somewhere.

They keep it aboard Snoke's star destroyer, but it's hard to tell if it's plugged into anything.

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

The Death Star has always been unique beyond just being big. Apparently in the EU the Death Star shot concentrated hyperspace at things, which tore them apart at an atomic level. In the new canon, Rogue One established that the laser is essentially a giant lightsaber blade, since it's powered by the same sort of crystals.

The design of the one in The Last Jedi is really on the nose about the lightsaber connection, and the First Order using it against the Resistance is basically the same thing as the scene at the start of The Phantom Menace where Qui-Gon's trying to cut through the door.

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009


Taschen's Star Wars Archives book has an anecdote from someone who worked on the movie claiming the scene was cut because the actor they hired wasn't very good, even after reshooting the scene a couple of times. The alien Jabba may have just been devised to try to cover up his performance. The only draft of the script that mentions Jabba as specifically nonhuman was published in 1979, and it just has his mention as a "slug-like creature" tacked-on to the end of his description from earlier drafts. Han even calls him a human being in dialogue, which had to be recontextualized into an insult about humans themselves.

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Looks like that's part of an ILM Artstation challenge, so is fan art as hell, but it's pretty clearly inspired by some actual concept art done for The Force Awakens:

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

When Abrams started working on Star Wars, he was still finishing Star Trek Into Darkness, so there's definitely a point where he was all about speed holes on spaceships.

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Yeah, most of the scripts don't really specify whether Jabba is human or alien, just that he's hideous:

Star Wars Second Draft posted:

The entry bay of the large starship is also the main lounge area of the ship. Two gruff and grisly pirates are playing a kind of dice game with thin little sticks. The larger and mangiest of the two slavering hulks, JABBA THE HUTT by name, throws his dice at Chewbacca.

Star Wars Third Draft posted:

A commotion filters down from the entry gantry and Chewbacca whines pessimistic comment. A dozen or so gruff and grisly pirates approach the ship. The grossest of the slavering hulks is JABBA THE HUTT. His scarred face is a grim testimonial to his prowess as a vicious killer.

Star Wars Revised Fourth Draft posted:

Jabba the Hut and a half dozen grisly pirates and purple aliens stand in the middle of the docking bay. Jabba is the grossest of the salivering hulks and his scarred face is a grim testimonial to his prowess as a vicious killer.

Star Wars Fourth Draft - publicly published version posted:

Jabba the Hut and a half-dozen grisly alien pirates and purple creatures stand in the middle of the docking bay. Jabba is the grossest of the slavering hulks and his scarred face is a grim testimonial to his prowess as a vicious killer. He is a fat, slug-like creature with eyes on extended feelers and a huge ugly mouth.

The Marvel comic adaptation included this scene, though went with an alien Jabba that was actually quite slim, and just reused the design of a random background alien.




Apparently they later retconned this guy as Jabba's accountant, who would sometimes use Jabba's name to act as "legally Jabba" in certain dangerous situations.

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Jul 5, 2009

Barudak posted:

Big Guy and Rusty is a comedy action program where the 1950s basically never stopped all the way into the 1990s, so having a very lovely robot is in line.

I still think of the scene where they're showing the failed Big Guy prototypes as being just pure dad humor. "how many fingers am I holding up?" "Thursday"

Weird detour for Frank Miller to take between Daredevil and 300.

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