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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




SlothfulCobra posted:

It's great when something in a sci-fi story is written as being a horrible piece of garbage. It creates complications that can show off the depth of the setting. Why something is bad, why it's still in use. It's funny. So many writers will talk your ear off about how cool their stuff is, it's refreshing when they go the other way.

Anyway, this is the only thing I remember offhand.



I swear that punchline might be a reference the old joke "My father's gone crazy, he thinks he's a chicken! We'd get him help, but we need the eggs."


banned from Starbucks posted:

Hoverboards from Back 2 the Future 2. They dont even work on water unless you've got power.

I think the joke is meant to be that, given the way people react to Marty, trying to use one on water is like thinking you can drive a motorcycle into the sea and it'll still work fine.

General Battuta posted:

It's the stargate, the loving stargate is the shittiest garbage to ever drop from the rear end of a civilization, it was made by engineers obeying the engineer code of ethics which is 'why would anyone use this device in any way except the correct way?'

I'm pretty sure this might be intentional given the original builders and their henchmen are generally shown to have extremely advanced but impractical and poorly designed technology, which is what gives the troops a fighting chance to X-COM them. In part because they all have literal God complexes and design their stuff to look like holy artifacts to suit.

For something to add, another case of a deliberately lovely piece of tech:



The ED-209 is meant to be a joke about American military hardware, in the same movie as the SUX, and it's the main competing bid to Robocop- on top of being obviously horribly ill-suited to being a peace officer (of course, the movie outright underestimated what American police are actually like) it's clearly a half-assed repurposing of a war machine that was probably rejected for being unsuited for any terrain besides flat roads. And the heavy rifles OCP makes can take them out in a single shot to the huge exposed grille in the centre.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Hunter Noventa posted:

The Goa'uld didn't build the Stargates, but don't get me wrong, the Ancients are rear end in a top hat precursors.

I was pretty much conflating the two because I never watched much of it and don't remember a lot, but iirc they kinda both are.

The example mech-wagon in that comic, Girl Genius, is actually a bit of an interesting example in context; most crazy poo poo in that setting is built by Sparks, mad scientists who are like some degree of Reed Richards on meth in at least one field, and it's set in what's loosely the Napoleonic Wars- long before assembly lines and standardisation. (And I don't think those are implied to be invented prematurely in-universe) While there may be some mass production for individual parts (Which is probably why Sparks are so powerful at this point; before that, they'd have to built every bolt and gear for their inventions from scratch) every large piece of machinery is an artisan construction, using ultimately whatever was available at the time. So naturally, some of it's going to be a technically functional machine that's a pain in the rear end to operate.

Like the goon said- it's funny and adds depth to the setting when there's reasons why a piece of sci-fi tech is crappy and still in use, especially because there's so many real-life examples of things exactly like that which people have to deal with every day. Like, printers.

1000 Brown M and Ms posted:

Could be worse, could be this 1980s Lego set called 'All-Terrain Vehicle'



I would play the poo poo out of a Mass Effect styled Lego game.


Filthy Hans posted:

it's because they're supposed to evoke ww2 light bombers and look cool

Y-Wings according to manual stuff are cheap in the first place and horribly outdated, and fielded because the Rebel Alliance has to use anything that flies. They can carry bombs from point A to point B and that's what matters.

TIE fighters are another fun example of a cheap piece of poo poo Star Wars spaceship, to the point where the pilots wear spacesuits because they didn't bother installing a life support system. (At least it means you have a chance of surviving a hull breach?) Of course, it's all pretty obvious that the Empire likes something they can build and deploy in the largest numbers possible. EU stuff though shows they can actually be quite effective in the right hands because they're super fast, and apparently they were built from stripped-down versions of Republic starfighters intended for Jedi, built to take full advantage of the capabilities of a precognitive pilot.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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General Battuta posted:

Those aren’t made by the guys who made the gates, though. It’s also kind of a dumb point. An energy weapon with no apparent need to reload/recharge and enough power to take down a helicopter? They’d be a military wet dream.

Well yeah, but the point is they suck as a weapon against personnel because they're so oversized and cumbersome, and almost impossible to properly aim, while the P90 is the simple solution of putting out enough bullets to achieve the same result much more reliably with a much lower tech level. Of course I imagine both would quickly conclude the ideal solution would be to put the staves' power in a more practical form factor, but iirc the point is the Jaffa are working with tech they don't understand and can't fiddle with, while Earth humans know how their poo poo works and can improve it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Gundam is a series that treats the giant robots like actual military hardware for the most part. Aside from that one show with all the super goofy national stereotype designs, and the one where they're literally model kits, but that's for most part the exception to the dozen and counting shows that go full on war drama. Most giant robot animes that go into stuff like that also tend to have said robots be hangar queens that suck up a lot of time and money for maintenance and repairs, let alone upgrades.

Usually the running gag is that the Space Nazi bad guys have multiple competing manufacturers trying to make the next wunderwaften, and the underdog protagonists steal one that works to use against them. Also that most of the whiz-bang prototypes have major flaws that make them impractical or need to be worked around, or are so high-performance that only a handful of pilots, often post-human ones, can use them properly. Gundam Wing has the Tallgeese, the first Mobile Suit built, which is so high-performance it kept killing its test pilots. The Wing Zero in the same series might be one of the most powerful Gundams in the series and is even worse; it can drive its pilots mad and might have eaten one of them.

Zoids also comes to mind, being kinda halfway to Gundam but a bit more cartoony since the robots are giant animal mecha, some of which are implied to have some self-awareness and wander around like wild animals. The Liger Zero in New Century has a similar thing where it refuses any pilot except the weirdo thief who tries to steal it (although he might be able to say that it's more like it stole him) and starts out with no ranged weapons, til they figure out it's got an extremely modular design even by Zoid standards and can be outfitted for different mission profiles.

Unfortunately, since the Blitz Team's owner is a goofy shopaholic and a bit of a certified mad scientist, while the first two armour modules are practical for their intended purpose and do well to beat certain opponents at their own game, the Panzer armour turns out to be the very definition of 'Just because you can, doesn't mean you should'. When you take a giant robot tiger/lion that's optimised for speed and melee combat and give it the armour of a literal walking tank, about forty zillion missile pods and two fuckoff huge charged particle cannons, you end up with something that can barely move and is in constant danger of overheating to levels causing terminal damage to both itself and the pilot. Sure, it obliterates the gently caress out of anything unlucky enough to be in its line of sight, but it becomes standard procedure to eject the entire armour set immediately after firing right there on the battlefield.


Trast posted:

Moore probably gave it less thought than that. In DS9 they at least had some comments about how the Changelings would be smart enough to get around blood screenings.

Sisko's dad, a gourmet chef, figures out a way they could bypass the blood screenings with just like five minutes' thought. Not to mention an early episode shows Odo, who's the first to admit his shapeshifting abilities are extremely amateur, can fake liquids and containers enough to pretend to drink beer. And it turns out the Changeling is the guy giving the blood tests.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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GD_American posted:

A focus-grouped piece of crap, even. (Taken to extremes in the sequel)


wait what?

Hey now, Robocop beat the god of time in mortal kombat! Also the opening bit of Robocop 2, probably the only good part, shows that Murphy at least was a total fluke. The remake also literally has Robocop be in-universe focus-grouped to look more badass.

And well, from what I've read one of the test pilots went unresponsive in the middle of a flight, and the cockpit wouldn't open up again until the bad guys stole the prototype from mothballs, and didn't find anything in the cockpit. Also, it gave a perfectly healthy 23 year old a heart attack.

GD_American posted:

Thread winner in every way



Hey, that's literally fully automated free health care you're looking at

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Sanguinia posted:

Those Vulcan Pike things from Star Trek TOS seem like the most idiotic melee weapons of all time.

You mean the lirpa? That's actually based on a real thing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk%27s_spade

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Funny thing is Star Trek was one of the original killer apps for colour TV.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Taintrunner posted:

One of the early episodes in the original 0079 Gundam series is centered around a Zeon supply run that gets ambushed by the Gundam and gang.

If you don't have the time/energy to watch an entire Gundam show, the compilation movies do a decent job, or if you really want some purestrain Gundam condensed to a couple hours or so, go look up Gundam Thunderbolt: December Sky. It's incredibly loving bleak and focused more-so on the brutality and futility of war than anything else.

Near the end of the movie, the Earth Federation is bringing up kids into orbit and dumping them into tiny floating testicles to get slaughtered:



The Ball would probably win this thread by the sheer worthlessness of it.

Isn't this basically those suicide planes the Nazis designed to be flown by Hitler Youth?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Hunter Noventa posted:

More like strapping a cannon onto a pickup truck. IIRC the Ball is supposed to be just a maintenance pod, then they stuck a cannon on it.

...so, a space technical?

While I'm on a drunken kick about anime dinosaur robots, let's look at something that's rather similar to the Liger Zero Panzer above, but with visual aids.

So, this is your more typical Gun-Sniper:


Yes, it's a robot raptor, and yes, it might have a crotch gun. That and the arm gatling guns are actually its secondary weapons: it lives up to its name when you use it as intended by turning it around and using the heavy rifle built into its tail, which the cockpit seat flips around to a prone position for the pilot to operate almost exactly like your stereotypical sniper. For the most part it's good at exactly one thing, and Naomi 'The Red Comet' Flugel proves its worth by being an extremely good shot, when most Zoids are awful with accuracy- not too surprising when it's literally the only Zoid firearm built around a human form factor.

Now, for any of you who actually read my rants- remember the guy who made the Liger Zero Panzer above? Taking a fast, melee-oriented big cat robot and giving it so much firepower it literally can't move? This is what happens when his daughter goes on a shopping spree:

Yes, the shopping basket is canon.

Her teammates wonder why Leena Toros didn't throw in a couple of nuclear missiles for good measure on this thing. To her credit, the Wild Weasel Unit Total Assault pretty much wipes out any enemy dumb enough to get in its firing line, and it has enough agility to both get out of the way of return fire and to gaily skip home with the abovementioned shopping basket, but ammo and parts costs for the thing are noted to be significant, to the point where after fighting off bandits the Blitz Team has to drop out of the battle royale they came all that way for because they can't restock the ammo in time. And no, she never actually uses the sniper rifle.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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RBA Starblade posted:

I found out the other day that there are really lovely mechs in Battletech that can transform into really lovely jets, closing the circle

Gundam iirc has a few cases where transforming mechs make for lovely mechs and lovely planes, though usually because they're prototype testbeds for the concept and haven't worked out the kinks.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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By looking loving rad, obviously.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Giant robots made for punching enemies to death- what is this, Pacific Rim?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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banned from Starbucks posted:

Do they break down Coruscant into smaller neighborhoods or counties or whatever for mail deliveries sake or is it just like "I live on 1533 sith street, Coruscant" and you have to memorize where every street on the planet is.

Do you think cities don't have subdivisions?


McSpanky posted:

Do ecumenopolises (city-worlds) count as a technology? Because the basic maintenance of someplace like Coruscant would be completely drat absurd. The entire planet's atmosphere and water supply would have to be processed artificially, the ambient pressure and temperature differential between the lowest and highest levels as typically depicted would require its own artificial life support at one or both extremes, dozens of other worlds would have to be dedicated farming colonies shipping out a perpetual harvest to feed the population, the subsequent waste production would be enough to create a moon of poo poo every week... It's one of those things where, if you have the ability to do it, then you wouldn't need to.

IIRC, in canon, it has all of those things. Remember Star Wars is a setting where interstellar travel is as casual as catching a bus.

Warhammer 40k also has all of those things, though I think only Terra and maybe Mars are full on city planets.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Tulip posted:

According to the 40k wiki, there are about 32,380 planets that share the designation of "Hive Planet."

For the post part, Hive Worlds are usually worlds that have massive Hive Cities, huge arcologies that stretch high into the sky and below the ground, with most of the planet's surface being polluted wasteland. Actual full-on city planets are rarer.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I was just guessing on Mars, so okay, fair.

Most sci-fi basically treats planets as... countries is often generous, more like individual cities, Warhammer at least is self-aware about it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Tulip posted:

Space stations are a pretty good conceit if you're in a fiction where habitable planets and terraforming are not significant/easy, but when you've got like, DS9 and Star Trek tech, it mostly raises more questions than it answers.

Deep Space Nine is specifically an ore refining facility and basically watchtower over Cardassian-occupied Bajor, and after the pilot becomes the checkpoint for the Bajoran wormhole. It's basically a frontier fort slash port town.

Starbases have been a thing since TOS, with the sensible reason that it's much easier to dock and maintain a starship at them than to land on a planet, especially given many Star Trek starships were never meant to enter atmosphere, let alone land.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Tulip posted:

Necromunda's cool.


Ore refining is such a weird thing to do in orbit that it raises really confusing questions.

Really the issue here is that DS9 in particular can't decide if resource scarcity matters or not. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, who knows!

There might actually be real world precedent because metal does different things in zero gravity


mind the walrus posted:

It's especially funny in the Mirror Universe episodes where suddenly DS9/Terak Nor is this awful hellpit.

There's episodes that flash back to what Terok Nor was like during the occupation and the joke is that mirror Terok Nor is exactly the same except humans are explicitly slaves in place of Bajorans

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Taintrunner posted:

Spoiler alert: It'll take hundreds of years and it sucks and millions of people are going to live and die on a brutal dust world in the hopes that maybe it all turns green one day.

I mean this is literally the basis of Fremen culture in Dune.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Stanley Tucheetos posted:

Speaking of cloning the Asgard cloning process has to take the cake. They basically cloned themselves infertile while also causing degredation of the cloned bodies the more they did it. It was so bad they all committed suicide while uploading their brains and telling humans good luck hope you can fix us.

I'm reminded how this seems to be an oddly common thing with 'gray' aliens, Destroy All Humans has the protagonist's race be sterile from cloning after losing most of their population in atomic war.

The Asgard did at least basically will humans all their stuff.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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If we got started on Star Trek we'd be here all day

Ghost Leviathan
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SavageGentleman posted:

True, bt it's fun!



Not nominating the Oberth class science vessel per se: its hardware might be ok but over the course of TNG they find so many destroyed Oberths with crews killed by space monsters/radiation/gravitation anomalies/sex madness etc. that either the design is cursed or the Federation has some sort of sick sacrificing strategy going on ("the chaos gods are hungry. Send out a few more Oberths to the usual killer space anomailes to appease them.") Especially seing how many of these ships were not just crewed with scientists, but also their families.

I've got a soft spot for that ship since I played so much Starfleet Academy on SNES.

I think it's just more a correlation thing, since Oberth class ships are presumably small, relatively very cheap to build, and the standard general-purpose science vessel for a civilisation that really loving loves science. (Also, easy to reuse the prop)

Ghost Leviathan
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Animal-Mother posted:

Where is the deflector.

Where are the Bussard collectors.

Do you take a Jefferies tube to the lower section or does everybody beam over there.

There's no windows down there. Is that just a big computer. The warp core has to be down there, right.

I think for Federation ships, the majority of the crew sections are in the saucer part while Engineering is basically 'below decks' and mostly heavy machinery, so most of the crew doesn't have reason to go down there.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I still say the idea that the Federation just sends any old failson and weirdo who manages to get a science degree off on a cheap science vessel or distant lab explains so many episodes.

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GD_American posted:

It's a giant universe and I always thought the Best and Brightest part of Starfleet rang false. Show me the 2nd line ships. Give me a show with washouts and career dead-enders manning an outdated ship in a forgotten sector.

Voyager?

Also, DS9 at the very beginning.


frogge posted:

While we're on Star Trek's rear end: teleporters.

I get it, it's sci fi tech and teleporters have been a thing in the genre for a long time but why don't they ever just teleport a brick in enemy ships' engines or something and not even bother with phasers? Or just teleport air bubbles directly into the enemy crews.

Generally, shields block transporters.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Teleportation is a tricky thing. Most settings give it some major limitations.

Reminded of Pokemon; some Pokemon can teleport, and there's at least one building per game that has a pad-based teleportation network, but it seems to be rarely used outside gimmicks and the occasional convenient escape route. I think it might require a wired connection and has a limited range, so it's not a lot of use unless you really hate doors.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It's kind of a miracle that Quark's holosuites work as well as they do, with the only real malfunction coming from either deliberate loving with them or the time they plugged the transporters into it to deal with THEIR malfunction, considering Rom has to keep them working with whatever he can scavenge from Ferengi, Cardassian, Bajoran and Federation tech, and used parts from Quark's old pistol and a spatula, probably because Quark won't give him the budget to get proper replacement parts. It's no wonder he's as good as O'Brien, in some ways even better, when he actually gets a proper engineering job.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The treatment of holoprograms is interesting, since in a lot of ways they seemingly accidentally predicted a lot of things about video games (which of course is the best analogue for them) like a ton of the popular ones being porn, well-known children's franchises (though that might just be playing on the whole nostalgia thing which isn't new) and independent developers sharing their own programs like the not-Bond one.

Seems possibly that Vic Fontaine is made to be a character aware he's in a holoprogram and okay with that, mostly as being basically in a Game Master role, but also possibly to try to head off another Moriarty or Doctor Chaotica scenario where a primary character gets too into their role when a malfunction happens. And as demonstrated, he can see holo-addiction and actually turn his program off if necessary. It seems like it'd be an especially good feature in a more action-oriented program if he was cast as the recurring antagonist who can break the 'fourth wall' if necessary.

While Q's aware of the Holodeck and has had fun with it himself, seems a missed opportunity to have him stumble in while someone is making and editing their own holoprogram and find some amusing similarities to the scenarios he puts the main characters through. (My Little Pony of all things played with that, with totally-not-Q playing totally-not-Dungeons and Dragons (DMed by an actual dragon, just for irony) and having difficulty adjusting to things like having limitations and rules)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I think it makes a lot of sense to consider A: the Enterprise's holodeck is a bleeding-edge model and most of the main cast are the bridge crew with admin status, and 2: said cast are also power users or at least the equivalent of PC gaming goons who'll use mods and gently caress around with overclocking no matter how many times the computer explodes.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Just realised how tiny the screen part of that is, and it's sunken, that must be worse than a first gen computer watch.

Though that's exactly what 90s form factors were like. Remember personal organisers?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Meatgrinder posted:

Self sealing stembolts. Garbage. Worthless garbage.

Not technology per se but the idea that the whole universe somehow shares a day/night division. Night shifts on a space ship, people communicating across lightyears and apologizing for "calling in the middle of the night", that sort of thing.

On a spaceship it would make perfect sense to have day/night shifts when crewed by species with circadian rhythms. That it's shared everywhere is silly though.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Reminded how it comes up every now and again in DS9 that the station runs on Bajoran time, which has 26 hour days.

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Schadenboner posted:

I think the unrealistic part is people apologizing for calling in the middle of the night?



Remember when Dukat called Kira at 3am to tell her he banged her mom

Ghost Leviathan
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Nebakenezzer posted:

If we're talking about DS9 and garbage tech - do those Cardassian emergency contingency system recordings count? On the one hand, they are just a dumb program that when triggered might very well do something catastrophic, like kill everyone on the station. On the other hand, Dukat must have spent hours alone, in his office, recording, getting angry...

Definitely getting coked up. Also, everyone loves that episode, it's the closest thing Star Trek gets to a Paranoia session.

Ghost Leviathan
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McSpanky posted:

TBF most of that comes from scifi written by WWII/Cold War vets, when various sensory technologies were in their infancy and "weird tricks" like flying at the sun to fool homing missiles were totally a thing.

Was gonna say there's a million real world analogies, and Star Wars is VERY WW2.

Reminded how apparently in the books, because the Millennium Falcon is such a tricked-out mess that's constantly being rebuilt and repaired, the Empire has three completely different sensor profiles for it over just a few years, which the rebels use to their advantage to lure them.

Ghost Leviathan
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Megillah Gorilla posted:

I remember a scifi movie from the 80s where the conceit is a prison ship crashes on modern day Earth and the single prisoner on board escapes. If left unchecked will wipe out all life on the planet.

With the the aid of a human cop, the No Nonsense Sexy Alien PilotTM gets the deadly alien back on the ship and into space. But the alien is running loose on board, so the cops goes, "We have no choice, activate the self destruct!"

The pilot looks at him and asks, "Why would a prison ship have a self destruct?"

I mean, prison ship is a case that absolutely makes sense to have a means of self-destructing, scuttling or isolating it. (Kids Next Door has the same question asked why the ship has a 'Blow up the engines' button) It's a prison, designed to keep its inmates contained, and in the case the ship is compromised and the inmates are taking over the controls, that's the ultimate escape prevention.

Military vessels may be similarly designed to prevent capture, and even civilian ones may have it as a safety feature- in case you're careening uncontrollably into a major settlement, the self-destruct prevents it from ploughing into skyscrapers and hopefully renders it a less drastic cloud of debris.

And as for installing one in the first place, a lot of the time it's just no longer stopping the power source from exploding energetically.

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Statutory Ape posted:

otoh prisons and prison transport vehicles dont have this functionality

The real-life analogy you're looking for is a prison hulk, which if you count scuttling, totally do.

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muscles like this! posted:

IIRC the holodeck also uses replicators to do things like food and other minor objects that need to be interacted with. Although really by that point it seems like it would be simpler to do a Matrix than go through the effort of trying to do all that stuff in the "real" world.

Not really, though? It's all using technology that's already well established. Well, a virtual reality would probably be more energy efficient, but that doesn't seem to be much of an issue in Star Trek.

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TIE fighters are cheap as poo poo on purpose mind.

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Statutory Ape posted:

sheev is basically running space north korea it sounds like

That would explain a lot about TRoS

But it's more the Empire's doctrine; the TIE fighters are basically primarily for defense and task forces most of the time, the Star Destroyers are the stars of the show. The Empire in general relies on heavy warships for intimidation as much as practicality, with the Death Star being the local apex of this idea- they might not respond quickly, but they'll come down on you like a ton of bricks once they do.

The Rebellion of course lacks the Empire's resources and uniformity, with their fleets being a ragtag mix of antiquated fighters, repurposed luxury liners, and whatever materiel they can beg, borrow or steal. The X-Wing is one design they do have because it was originally made for the Empire then the entire design team defected. (Of course, who knows if the Empire would actually consider it worth building given the abovementioned doctrine)

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Schadenboner posted:

Apparently the A-Wing was originally going to have been canonically designed as a literal kamikaze fighter.

Would not be surprised. Probably just as well they instead went with it being a racing ship with some added guns.

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