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Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


GD_American posted:

It's a giant universe and I always thought the Best and Brightest part of Starfleet rang false. Show me the 2nd line ships. Give me a show with washouts and career dead-enders manning an outdated ship in a forgotten sector.



That was kind of the original premise, but somehow along the way Seth MacFarlane turned himself into the savior of mankind.

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Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Groke posted:

Based on what I've seen of Star Trek, it's also horribly unsafe to the point where no organization at all concerned with health and safety would allow one.

Most of the engineering on a starship seems to be setup such that every critical system must continue working or it causes an immediately chain of failure in other systems. Star Fleet engineers have never heard of things like redundancy or isolation and without various systems in constant working order the whole thing will literally explode.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Cloaking technology seems to actually suck. Anytime someone on a Star Fleet ship *really* needs to come up with a way to detect a cloaked ship they mumble some technobabble and next thing you know a torpedo slams into an cloaked warbird.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Why does it seem like every other empire in Trek has gigantic gently caress off ships compared to the Federation?

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


In Trek every species considers the other extremely "arrogant". It's something that is repeated throughout every series. Humans and Vulcans consider each other arrogant. Romulans consider humans arrogant. Klingons consider humans arrogant. Cardassians consider humans arrogant even though they're like the most arrogant motherfuckers in the galaxy.

Actually maybe they all just think humans are arrogant.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


SlothfulCobra posted:

I don't know what you're talking about, pretty much every alien ship is about the same size as the Enterprise because working with an actual size disparity is a more complicated and expensive effect.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


And we know the transporters world NEVER fail during a fire.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


You'd think they would be bigger since they're housing goddamn civies in addition to the Star Fleet crew.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Every starship is 67% Jeffrey's Tubes.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Has Trek ever talked about the tech that lets ships fly around the atmosphere of a planet while resisting gravity?

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


In a post-scarcity future where energy and material are basically unlimited why wouldn't you prioritize human comfort and privacy over costs?

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


TNG era phasers. The ergonomics of how you hold them are terrible let alone how the gently caress anyone can aim without sights.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


They supposedly have aim assist. Which is why they work so well and certainly no one simply lazily ducks or shifts slightly to the left during a phaser battle to avoid getting hit.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


The Borg have personal shields that they can adjust to be on the same frequency as the phaser, which prevents it from damaging them. Apparently changing frequencies on a phaser is some kind of hard coded poo poo that requires taking off the cover and adjusting jumper pins or Star Fleet engineers are too stupid to have them randomly change each shots because they only work for a few kills before the Borg adapt.

Auto aim:



The phaser is so lovely and slow even a middle aged man can easily jump out of the way.

If someone replicated a couple of M16's they could probably take over an entire starship.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


galagazombie posted:

The reason for the terrible ergonomics of phasers come TNG is part of the enlightened utopia theme where Starfleet/The Federation doesn't make weapons of war anymore. Roddenberry wanted phasers to not have any visual similarities to weapons, especially guns. The idea was that in the enlightened future Starfleet personnel would not carry around something with no purpose other than committing violence, and instead a multi-purpose tool. Think all the times they use it to heat rocks or weld something shut or as a cutting tool. It's the same philosophy behind the new Enterprise. Sure the Enterprise-D can function as a badass space battleship, but it's also a state of the art scientific research station, and a convention center, and a diplomatic embassy, and a frontier exploration vessel.

It's all doublespeak. Star Fleet claims to not be a military organization but it 1000% is. Not only that, but this (totally not a military!) organization is apparently in charge of all politics for the planet. Where is the civilian oversight?!

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Cerv posted:

the federation president is explicitly a non-starfleet role

The Federation President is elected by a council made up of representatives from each member planet. He's like the head of the UN.

But who is actually in charge of Earth? The POTUS - despite what he may think - is not in charge of each state in the United States.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Do Star Fleet ships ever drop off the children and other family members before heading to a big battle?

Timmy, daddy is very busy preparing for an important meeting at Wolf 359 tomorrow, so just keep yourself busy on the Holodeck today, ok.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


In almost every series, probably all, there are multiple episodes of the crews running into privately owned ships that are out to make a buck, or colonize such and such a planet or explore some galactic phenomenon. What exactly do you think Harry Mudd was doing with all those tribbles?

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


In fact many - perhaps most? - of the human planets in the Federation were colonized before the Federation and Star Fleet even existed!

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Cerv posted:

Cyrano Jones was the guy selling Tribbles. Mudd sold women.

gently caress

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Is Borg tech actually more advanced? Seems like in the show their big advantage is that they have giant ships built with unlimited redundancies and the personnel to maintain/repair them.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


zoux posted:

Startide Rising was the book that got me into sci fi. Too bad about the second trilogy though.

For the thread: Transporters were never supposed to be in ST. The original plan was to have the Enterprise or whatever ships just land on planets, but that would've been too expensive with models and sets, and when it came time to film the pilot, the shooting model of the shuttle wasn't ready, so they came up with transporters, which cost next-to-nothing. So, that's why every writer for ST has to come up with some reason that the transporters, which would easily solve whatever problem, won't do that this time.

Also remember when they used the transporter to de-age Dr. Pulaski and then forgot about and never told anyone about the loving FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH effect you get by messing around with some sliders in the transporter settings. We could probably come up with dozens of galaxy-transforming technological leaps made by rerouting and re configuring systems that never get brought up again.

I think they've invented about eight different methods of time travel.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Yet they never go back in time to like win the Dominion war or something.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


W.T. Fits posted:

Yeah, because the Federation has a Temporal Prime Directive that says you're not allowed to go back in time and change the past.

Not that this stops Voyager from violating it at least twice per season.

Goddamnit Jim the Prime Directive isn't a suicide pact!

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Gravitas Shortfall posted:

If anyone is interested in a "what happens to all our infrastructure and nukes if humanity just disappears one day" deep dive, read "The World Without Us".

Turns out what you really have to worry about are chemical plants.

Imagine a thousand Bhopals.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


but...

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Pretty sure it's not a metal sword. It's literally just a lightsaber that is dark instead of light and made to look like metal.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Elmnt80 posted:

Just pretend I quoted all the posts in this thread about star trek phasers here.

In the last season of DS9 it turns out the federation had made a fancy rear end prototype weapon which was just a regular loving gun that shot tritanium bullets. Its turned into like a perfect assassin's/sniper's weapon by some rear end in a top hat on a murder streak and once he's caught they just forget that you have a magical weapon that is nearly impossible to stop, can kill people inside buildings and tons of other reality breaking bullshit, but no, have to stick to phasers that can't hit poo poo in a big firefight. Oh, also these guns and their ammo can be easily replicated along with the magic attachments as shown in this same episode.

Trek forgets alot of things that they invent.

I watched the episode of TNG the other day where Barkley gets his brain enhanced by an alien species and he invents a way to boost shield output by 300%, but apparently never bothered to write down how that was done.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002



Sucks for the dudes that drew the short straws and have to walk.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


What does the empire have against wheels and tank treads?

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Foxfire_ posted:

Enh, I think it's probably weirder if the death star is just a scaled up version of the gun on an X-wing. Like a real-world nuke isn't just a very big stick of dynamite. It doesn't need to be explained though and it doesn't really matter besides "you need a bunch of secret science to make a death star instead of just a bunch of resources". Little death star gun is still stupid though

The US military had tactical nukes though, so why couldn't a small version of the Death Star tech be created?

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Defiance Industries posted:

If the Empire had just listened to Grand Admiral Thrawn and put all the money for the Death Star into TIE Defenders, Luke would be dead and all the aliens would still be slaves, so it's probably a good thing superweapons are very stupid.

I can imagine the emperor as a Trump like figure.

People we're going to build the laser. It's going to be the most tremendous laser anyone has ever seen. We're going to stop the rebel caravan in it's tracks.

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Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


Every ship in Star Fleet is lovely engineering - everything needs a containment field or constant monitoring from the computer to not blow the gently caress up.

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