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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Statutory Ape posted:

I'm gonna also vote "the self destruct system " and it doesn't matter which one

I remember a scifi movie from the 80s where the conceit is a prison ship crashes on modern day Earth and the single prisoner on board escapes. If left unchecked will wipe out all life on the planet.

With the the aid of a human cop, the No Nonsense Sexy Alien PilotTM gets the deadly alien back on the ship and into space. But the alien is running loose on board, so the cops goes, "We have no choice, activate the self destruct!"

The pilot looks at him and asks, "Why would a prison ship have a self destruct?"

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Star Wars space battles were remarkably consistent before the hyperspace kamikaze.

Shields protected from energy weapons, but not physical objects. Ion cannon knocked out shields which let you unleash hell. There was probably some sort of protection against ion blasts, but I don't think they were in any of the movies. Otherwise, why wouldn't every big ship have half its firepower dedicated to ion weapons?

There's even a scene in the Force Awakens (I think) when they're doing the bombing run on the star destroyer with the huge gun and you see some lasers splash on its shields while the ships fly right through.

If big ships wanted to shoot each other, they had to get in really close and we got that great shot from inside one of the capital ships as it fired broadsides at another one. I think it was in Revenge of the Sith.


To further the shields stop blasters, not objects idea - in the prequels I'm pretty sure the Gunguns used their slingshots to go right through the big shields they put up, while the blasters impacted harmlessly.


But then we got the (cinematically gorgeous) scene where the leader of the rebellion hyperdrove into another ship and all that went to hell.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jul 3, 2020

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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It's only in the final trilogy that they started showing the guns on the star destroyers. But I'm having a real hard time finding decent shots of them which don't come from artists "reimagining" them on sites like artstation.

So have this lego one:




EDIT: Eh, this one is close enough to what we see in the final three

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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mind the walrus posted:

This looks loving terrible and I want to pee in the creator's mouths.

Watching that promo reminded me of the execrable Final Space.

I watched it during the big fires here because I couldn't go outside and was so bored I was ready to eat my own feet and still regret it.

It had everything bad about sci fi cartoons - obnoxious* loser main character who does the whole 'pathetically whine and creep on a successful competent woman with the hope that one day her pity with outweigh her disgust' thing which is a trope that just needs to loving die already. And every other character followed the concept of 'if you can't make them interesting, have other characters constantly tell the viewer how interesting they are' and using wacky as a substitute for a personality, and thinking becoming more wacky is a character arc.





* and oh my god, was the main character obnoxious!

EDIT: here, have a random youtube I found of not even two minutes of the main character and see if you can make it through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7NdHPQWTnU

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jul 14, 2020

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Statutory Ape posted:

i think it will be cute n good and i look forward to loudly posting abt it

Go on, watch it. All of it.

I loving dare you

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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galagazombie posted:

It's just weird how "spiritual" it got portraying them as like these New Age enlightened beings we could learn so much from instead of, you know, dolphins.

"Captain, the dolphin navigator is refusing to steer us out of this nebula unless we agree to throw a severed fish head into their tank for them to masturbate with."

"Make it so, number one."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ1ywBK2X4

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Aug 6, 2020

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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The Borg have personal force fields.

But, given that their tech is also incredibly more advanced that the Federation's and is still circumvented time after time, we can only assume every other species has no chance of making a personal force field which is worth a drat for more than a few seconds.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Tulip posted:

I think they liked the ferryman aesthetic.

All doomsday cults are psychopomps at heart.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

and all manner of buttons and dials and whatever with a very creative labelling scheme, which occasionally breaks the fourth wall.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Neo Rasa posted:

Not only is Anderson a hack for that story, but it was even taken from the Marvel Star Wars comics from the 70s/80s. In between ESB and RotJ there was an earlier attempt at making use of the death star laser called The Eye of Tarkin but it was the exact same thing of instead of making a massive base we just make an extremely mobile death star laser.

The only interesting thing ever done with a Death Star laser was the battering ram thing from Last Jedi.




Though it does extremely beg the question of why the gently caress did they just have something like this laying around.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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aphid_licker posted:

Seems like that thing should need an equally huge power generation or storage thingy somewhere.

Gonk Star Droid.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Someone already made 100 foot Robot Golf.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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At the very least, a Pacific Rim style game where the Kaiju are meat mechs.

There was also Love, Death and Robots which had an episode where people would jack in to vat grown monsters and fight to the death.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Phasers also come with a "cooking pot" setting for when you're in the kitchen and the food suddenly starts trying to kill you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_a2GN0Ix4o#t=29s

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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The problem I have with supersoldiers is that they almost always seem to follow the same formula of bullet sponges who slowly walk towards the enemy while carrying heavy weapons.

They're basically tiny meat mechs.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Barudak posted:

I always liked A Dry Quiet War (seriously one of my favorite short stories of all time) and in it while not fully elucidated there are clear heirarchies and tiers of super soldiers that are so beyond a normal person that something a higher tier can effortlessly destroy is so dangerous as to be like a god to normal humans.

I liked it right up until the end when I got to part with the sexual violence against the main character's lover for no goddamn reason.

Too many science fiction authors have a real love-love relationship with rape and degrading/torturing women characters. Especially strong independent ones.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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RBA Starblade posted:

Putting legs on your tank is basically the epitome of lovely garbage tech

Especially if that tank is in space

The only time it makes sense* is when you have genetically engineered, living vehicles. Meat wheels being rather hard to design.

Tyranids, of course, spring to mind:







* for a given value of sense

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jan 26, 2021

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:

The flip side to that, and the justification why the Empire in Star Wars has such a hard on for walkers, is that walking vehicles can traverse much rougher terrain than wheeled/tracked vehicles can. Does it make sense? Maybe, for something specialised (like a modern day walking forestry machine), but not for the core of a military force.

It makes even less sense given everything in Star Wars can just float.

I don't just mean things like land speeders and hoverbikes, even the bloody star destroyers have no problems sitting just above the ground with no apparent effort.




I always assumed the reason the empire liked walkers was for their intimidation factor. The scenes in Empire Strikes Back where the walkers are approaching the rebel base and you can hear the big heavy stomping getting slowly closer and closer and things start falling off the walls would definitely have an impart on the morale of the people you're about to attack.

It's not just fear of their battlestations that keeps people in line.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Preem Palver posted:

The same thing was actually supposed to happen with the space marines. Several legions were deliberately crafted to become more unhinged and rebel after time; once the galaxy was unified the vast majority of space marines were supposed to wipe each other out in a series of brutal, isolated battles and then the imperium would mop up the survivors. But it kicked off earlier than Emperor expected and the Chaos gods made the rebelling marines a lot stronger than was anticipated, followed by one of the Primarchs trying to warn him through astral projection from halfway across the galaxy. The sheer psychic force of that stunt broke the Emperor's secret tech project for galactic travel that was both faster than warp travel and didn't rely on literally flying through hell. And so welp, 10k years later it's still a war-torn galaxy with renegade and chaos marines carving out their own mini empires and fighting in a continual back and forth with the imperium.

All of 40k is pretty much lovely tech and lovely dads/sons.

I've never heard this before, but it definitely sounds like something the Emperor would do.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Speaking of Macross, I always wondered as a kid what what was up with the "U.N. Spacy" on everything.




Turns out it was some very logical non-native English speaking thinking.

Military who fight on the ground = army.

Military who fight on the ocean = navy.

Military who fight in space = spacy.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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GD_American posted:

I've only ever seen the anime, but the entire theme was very much "why the gently caress do the police have tanks"

I actually had the first couple of comics for Tank Police and one of the characters was asked, after they caused some massive destruction during a chase, why a simple arrest had turned so destructive and violent.

They replied: "You can't negotiate in a tank"

The comic seemed to be about a dystopian future (wow, in a book from Japan in the 80s!) and the police only being able to respond to things like protests and general crime in tanks ranging from the size of a Volkswagen to ones the size of a truck was a very big part of that.

But, as I said, I only had the first couple of issues, so who knows where it went to. I pretty much tuned out after the introduction of the catgirl android "fanservice".


EDIT: and the whole first episode is up on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rzBfgjXO3c


Double edit: Wow, it really aged poorly.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 10, 2021

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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If you're building Gundams, as everyone has pointed out, the weak point is the pilot. Specifically, the pilot's body.

So, remove the body:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Minimalist exposition is a lot trickier than it looks. Audiences generally have trouble accepting that characters in-universe are ignorant or wrong about something unless it's specifically pointed out, probably from a lifetime of stories that explain everything to them.

The Mandalorian did this very well.

The series had a tonne of callbacks to the movies and references to the cartoons, but you didn't need to know any of it to enjoy and understand what was on screen. The characters would either eventually tell you exactly who they were, or were such a strong archetype that they didn't need to.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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The sequels definitely suffered terribly from "exactly like before, but bigger and with bigger guns".

That's my biggest gripe with fan stuff which is 99.99999% variations on tie fighters, the Millennium Falcon or star destroyers. But fans aren't part of a multi billion dollar franchise.

The people who made the Hung Low dreadnought or super wide star destroyer or death star but it's a planet now lol had no drat excuse.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Someone made a decent case once that star destroyers aren't primarily warships, but used as intimidation.

System acting up? Send in a pointlessly over-sized ship to loom over everyone. With thousands of troops capable of pacifying a civilian uprising and swarms of very simple fighter craft good for patrolling and maybe shooting up any cargo ships or other non-military vessels.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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I figured Vader was the Emperor's walking death star and just doing the "fear will keep them in line" routine.

He answers to no one except Palpatine and is only attached to Tarkin to show all the other officers who might otherwise gently caress about that this is a serious project and you will obey.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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I can't remember if it was this thread where someone brought up the star destroyer so large that it launches regular sized star destroyers and is also a death star and was looking for an image of it. But I found one on Pinterest.




Pinterest is a hole I can lose myself in for an embarrassingly long time just looking at ridiculous nerd poo poo. I just wish it was easier to curate what it shows you, because looking at pictures of Mandalorians should not mean I really need to see pictures of female Japanese volleyball players' feet.


EDIT: but I would like to congratulate the All-Japan women's volleyball team for now being ranked sixth in the world by the FIVB. It looked like a hard few years.

Certainly sweaty.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Apr 17, 2021

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Fyrnocks are also a thing.



And Mynocks.


Also space whales, but they tend to only kill people by accident.

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