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I am angry Angry about mods (let's give the poor succ zone a break and take our rabble-rousing here)
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May 27, 2020 00:48
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im not angry about the mods but it is really funny that seemingly as soon as they made reports free there were too many reports and a popular thread had to be closed
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May 27, 2020 00:50
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A mod posted this. In CSPAM Said mod hangs out in the Goatse + call people "faggots" forum so it's not surprising. This post would get a probe if a non mod posted it Julias posted:I didn't compare CSPAM to FYAD, I said mods sitting back and doing nothing led to FYAD becoming the toxic garbage pit it was. However, now that you mention it, it's gross to accuse Fluffdaddy of perpetuating systematic transphobia. There have been many instances where TGRS posters were asked to provide evidence of systematic transphobia on SA in QCS—we mods want to weed out any transphobia there is—and strangely no evidence is ever provided. Multiple TGRS/TRM posters kept on saying it existed, but were unable to provide examples. Why? As far as I can tell, not being allowed to be shitheads to every poster on the forum, to be allowed to bully and threaten them, and talk about forums drama endlessly in TGRS/TRM *was the systematic transphobia*, but if anybody ever came out and said that part, everyone would rightfully call them out as clowns. This is the absolute nadir of identity politics, using your identity as leverage to poo poo on and abuse other people for selfish personal game, consequences for other people be damned. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 27, 2020 00:52
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Giga Gaia posted:im not angry about the mods but it is really funny that seemingly as soon as they made reports free there were too many reports and a popular thread had to be closed only overnight and "maybe into tomorrow" *thread has not been reopened and stands atop d&d like a shining beacon of failure*
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May 27, 2020 00:52
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May 27, 2020 00:52
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Kaedric posted:Anyone else remember how folks told the mods that PPJ had an obvious bias against leftist posters, and the mods ignored this until he was literally outed as a nazi, and even then they defended him? And remember how literally not a single request from CSPAM during the shitstorm that followed outside of a forums title change(lol) was addressed, because the mods would never dare cede an ounce of ground to the leftist subforum? I do indeed remember all of this.
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May 27, 2020 00:56
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I am of the opinion that the current moderation sucks poo poo.
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May 27, 2020 00:57
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I'm still of the mind "tell people who can't control themselves to leave" because that's how literally every safe space, well run group, or well run club/bar I've been to work.
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May 27, 2020 01:02
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The report button is for cowards. Imagine getting so angry about something someone said on the internet you need to call the manager of the internet and demand something be done about those hooligans over there talking too loudly and/or about topics that make your monocle fall into your drink/make you clutch your pearls smdh
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May 27, 2020 01:02
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I like twoday and wish him the best. Thanks for making this thread so Succ Zone can go back to succing.
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May 27, 2020 01:03
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From the other thread:twoday posted:But TL;DR, since the destruction of FYAD, there has been a vacancy for the position of “most problematic community on SA” and I’m trying to make sure that we don’t become permanently cemented into that position. You guys may not like some of the things I’ve been doing, but I’m trying my best to work together and to listen to you and base my choices around that. If we are not able to figure out a way to address the issues in c-spam, they will eventually either pick new mods or decide that this forum is more trouble than its worth and scrap it completely. I don’t want it to get that point but we are already part of the way there, so help me out here I think literally the only way to prevent this is to tell the people complaining about it to shut up once and for all, and the vibe I'm getting is that any mod willing to do that doesn't have the authority to. The people complaining will never shut up about it on their own, precisely because not shutting up is working; it makes C-SPAM 'controversial', even if that controversy is partly (or possibly even largely) artificial, and being stirred up by a relatively small group of people, many of them offsite creeps and bigots. I mean, godspeed to all of you, you have my deepest sympathies but I think you're fighting a losing battle here. Appeasement doesn't work, no amount of concessions will satisfy them, in fact concessions reward them and will only encourage them to complain more, because they are not arguing in good faith, they just want to see their enemies punished.
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May 27, 2020 01:03
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm still of the mind "tell people who can't control themselves to leave" because that's how literally every safe space, well run group, or well run club/bar I've been to work.
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May 27, 2020 01:04
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imma mod
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May 27, 2020 01:04
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:imma mod 
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May 27, 2020 01:05
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:imma mod I've been working on this story for years and they just... post it
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May 27, 2020 01:07
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:imma mod
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May 27, 2020 01:20
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FactsAreUseless posted:I agree with this and what you said about it in the other thread. I wish I had been a lot more aggressive in banning and permabanning people. There were a bunch of factors that played into why I didn't, some personal and some structural, and it frustrates me that subsequent mods and admins haven't felt the same way. Or maybe they do and just feel unable to for the same reasons I did, IDK. how did you do this for so long, I'm dying
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May 27, 2020 01:22
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julias posted:I've read those threads, and the claims that Fluffydaddy were being transphobic don't match up with anything that was posted in there, at best you could say he was insensitive because he wanted TGRS one way, posters there wanted it another way, and FluffDaddy said no. what was the way he wanted it julias spoiler: it was "no talking about systemic transphobia"
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May 27, 2020 01:24
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:imma mod big if true
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May 27, 2020 01:25
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twoday posted:how did you do this for so long, I'm dying Also compared to journalism it was cake.
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May 27, 2020 01:26
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What if, and I'm just brainstorming here, everyone who reported a post, were themselves probated if the report was not judged to be actionable? Put some force back into the report button. Make people bet their posting ability before pulling that trigger.
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May 27, 2020 01:27
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GOD IS BED posted:I like twoday and wish him the best. Thanks for making this thread so Succ Zone can go back to succing. twoday seems like a decent person who became a mod at the most hilariously bad time
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May 27, 2020 01:28
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm still of the mind "tell people who can't control themselves to leave" because that's how literally every safe space, well run group, or well run club/bar I've been to work.
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May 27, 2020 01:29
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Toph Bei Fong posted:What if, and I'm just brainstorming here, everyone who reported a post, were themselves probated if the report was not judged to be actionable? are you betting your posting ability right now on this becoming the policy
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May 27, 2020 01:30
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it is time to once more take up the sacred battlecry of the ancien regime: NO MODS, NO MASTERS or not twoday posted:Thank you for this detailed and thoughtful reply, I appreciate it. I am fully aware of the fact that there is no adequate venue for these sorts of discussions, and I personally consider it to be a systematic problem throughout the entire forum which consequently echoes throughout all of its parts. I’m not sure I can do much about that, besides point it out. thanks for the thoughtful and thorough reply I do hope some sort of accord can be reached, because otherwise I don't think Ray Smuckles is far wrong due to its nature/subject/community C-SPAM is always going to be more contentious than said ham radio forum (although...), and is going to generate more reports proportionally and in absolute numbers (since its one of the more popular forums) and that's without non-community members making concerted efforts to police C-SPAM, which they are so it is always likely to be that nail to some extent and despite your best efforts to let the community self-regulate, ultimately you and other mods are tasked with hammering it down in order to achieve the goals of people who are not members of that community, which necessarily is going to create conflict and you're in a situation where very little trust exists, both because of past misbehavior on the part of moderation staff, previous external interference, and what has seemed to be a pretty consistent pattern of treating such things as one-offs instead of a trend and saying "we're listening" followed by *at most* begrudging acknowledgements that C-SPAM should probably be allowed to continue to exist in some form, now please shut up what trust does exist/is granted is going to be undermined by attempts to moderate based on the preferences of other forums, which is going to create a nasty feedback loop - especially if you're looking at something like report volume as your metric, because that (already inherently high) number is super easy to juice indefinitely via a combination of aggressive over-reporting + poo poo-stirring (which in turn forms its own feedback loop, because of course the "problem" thread/forum needs extra policing) nobody wants the FBI bothering Lowtax or C-SPAM doing a helldump retread, but you're sitting on a mess of ill-will and self-reinforcing cycles that needs to be somehow addressed (and that's hard because a lack of trust poisons everything, especially when one party has a history of insisting such reservations are baseless), and that's a thorny mess you (and other mods) need to take seriously or we're all just delaying the inevitable I will say that one concrete thing I genuinely think would help in both the short and long runs is the overdue elevation of C-SPAM to a top-level forum, which addresses a number of issues simultaneously - it provides legitimacy/a concrete sign C-SPAM is here to stay (regardless of any future reforms/moderation changes that may/may not still happen), represents some follow-through from the moderation staff regarding something they had appeared amenable to in the past, it provides useful psychological/organizational separation from D&D, and it soothes all of the OCD feelings re: current forum organization vs. relative popularity LGD has issued a correction as of 01:35 on May 27, 2020 |
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May 27, 2020 01:32
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Toph Bei Fong posted:The report button is for cowards. For real please use reports. It really helps. Hell send pms if you really want to make your point clear.
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May 27, 2020 01:33
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fool of sound posted:For real please use reports. It really helps fool of sound posted:This one thread has generated fully half the reports on the entire Something Awful forums today, and there's a whole slew of terrible posting that's gone unreported. All of the mods are exhausted of it, so the thread is going to take a break overnight, maybe into tomorrow.
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May 27, 2020 01:35
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Toph Bei Fong posted:What if, and I'm just brainstorming here, everyone who reported a post, were themselves probated if the report was not judged to be actionable? Yeah, I think there has to be something to counter the report button being available to us filthy non-plats, if slamming the red button is all (potential) reward and no risk then it's frivolous use is gonna loving skyrocket (which might already be happening, idk)
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May 27, 2020 01:36
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:I think literally the only way to prevent this is to tell the people complaining about it to shut up once and for all, and the vibe I'm getting is that any mod willing to do that doesn't have the authority to. The people complaining will never shut up about it on their own, precisely because not shutting up is working; it makes C-SPAM 'controversial', even if that controversy is partly (or possibly even largely) artificial, and being stirred up by a relatively small group of people, many of them offsite creeps and bigots. LGD posted:what trust does exist/is granted is going to be undermined by attempts to moderate based on the preferences of other forums, which is going to create a nasty feedback loop - especially if you're looking at something like report volume as your metric, because that (already inherently high) number is super easy to juice via a combination of aggressive over-reporting + poo poo-stirring (which in turn forms its own feedback loop, because of course the "problem" thread/forum needs extra policing) https://twitter.com/britneyspears/status/1260717292012204037
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May 27, 2020 01:36
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It's frustrating to see this narrative that C-SPAM is just going to keep radicalizing posters until we produce an inevitable bad thing like a spree shooter or something terrible. It's practically impossible to push back against that kind of thing because it's in the hypothetical future and thus exists in a state of always being possible. This seems to be the main argument used against this subforum, that inevitably we will lead to a big problem for Lowtax. And yet the forum has existed for years now and he hasn't gotten a secret service visit, so shouldn't the benefit of the doubt go our way? Other subforums have actual bodycounts to their name, and I don't say this to drag them, but rather to point out that C-SPAM is not a problem waiting to happen.
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May 27, 2020 01:37
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fool of sound posted:For real please use reports. It really helps. Hell send pms if you really want to make your point clear. I'm still absolutely loving gobsmacked that someone PMing other posters for a list of bad posters, and this same user definitely proving they've got--at minimum--a list of posters with the number of rap sheet entries, was deemed totally fine and unnecessary to act on, not just by you, but by several mods. Especially after the events of the past year that comes off as insanely loving suspect.
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May 27, 2020 01:40
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Better to Reign in CSPAM than serve in DND
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May 27, 2020 01:41
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FactsAreUseless posted:Things weren't as bad before the PPJ poo poo. It could be frustrating or difficult but it was a different environment. pretty sure it was just as bad, but it wasn't out in the open like this for everyone to get mad at because what the gently caress he was allowed to run free for so fuckin long
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May 27, 2020 01:41
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Toph Bei Fong posted:The report button is for cowards. Boo, it has legitimate uses. A few days ago, someone posted in-line infant gore in the pics thread. (They were feeling spicy about the Iraq war.)
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May 27, 2020 01:43
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WampaLord posted:It's frustrating to see this narrative that C-SPAM is just going to keep radicalizing posters until we produce an inevitable bad thing like a spree shooter or something terrible. It's practically impossible to push back against that kind of thing because it's in the hypothetical future and thus exists in a state of always being possible. I don't even understand why all of C-Spam would be responsible for that future crime like people go on about. We're talking a thousand+ people who read and post in C-Spam. If someone in here ends up being the next spree killer the problem isn't that C-Spam radicalized the next spree killer, it's that we ignored a bunch of red flags and let that person keep hanging out. Especially because someone like that was probably really lovely in their time posting and was a jackass to people who were just trying to be cool and post.
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May 27, 2020 01:43
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I'm of the opinion that moderation sucks right now!
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May 27, 2020 01:44
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I think there should be more mods that way they have enough manpower to deal with all the reports
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May 27, 2020 01:44
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WampaLord posted:It's frustrating to see this narrative that C-SPAM is just going to keep radicalizing posters until we produce an inevitable bad thing like a spree shooter or something terrible. It's practically impossible to push back against that kind of thing because it's in the hypothetical future and thus exists in a state of always being possible. The whataboutism can stretch to any topic and any subforum. There's been doxxing and swatting for years on Twitch and people have literally killed friends over Video Games. Does this mean we should shut down the Games forum because maybe one poster in there might become unhinged enough to do something? And even worse, most of that sort of stuff is something that happens sporadically, if they are openly talking about it then action can be taken but that doesn't mean we should all of a sudden get rid of any entire area for discussion because of the looming potential threat. I'll scream this at the roof tops, but I really believe a tighter ran ship in D&D would see C-SPAM's popularity and overall usage dwindle. Harsher punishment for both the "centrist/lib" posters that pretty much have perfected baiting out a leftist into crossing the line in the sand and eating a 6er and the feedback loop leftist that tries to bait those posters into defending poo poo that doesn't need to be defended and isn't what the conversation is about. I've love to see the usage/site traffic for the moment the GE thread was shut down and how much more traffic the succ dem thread got immediately afterwards.
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Yinlock posted:pretty sure it was just as bad, but it wasn't out in the open like this for everyone to get mad at because what the gently caress he was allowed to run free for so fuckin long
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