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Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys
May 29th marks the 567th anniversary of the fall of Constantinople- and with it, the Byzantine Empire. So to commemorate this day, here are some FUN BYZANTINE (cata)F(r)ACTS:
> the Byzantines loved books, music, architecture, and having their rivals’ noses cut off
>the Byzantines would've been hugely insulted by us referring to them as Byzantines and not Romans
> they fought several wars against the Ottoman Empire; this means that the Roman Empire and New Zealand are technically on the same side, having fought a common enemy
> “Byzantine Cataphract” is delightful to say aloud
> their bureaucracy was famously complicated, to the point where historians are unsure if their “Bureau of Barbarians” was a medieval spy agency, or just a postal service
> the motto of the Emperors was “King of Kings, Ruling over Rulers” which sounds sort of awesome, but in Byzantine Greek is “Basileus basileon basileuonton basileuei” which honestly the worst possible motto
> Byzantine authors liked to use less accurate but cooler-sounding “vintage” words (e.g., Thracian Rhomphaia instead of Huge Viking Axe) which indicates Princess Anna Komnena was the medieval version of an insufferable hipster
If you’re wondering why you haven’t heard about such a glorious and magnificent empire, it’s because you are the victim of 150-year-old propaganda. The very existence of Byzantium was an affront to the grand narratives by which Victorian Britain understood its place in the world. A powerful, cultured and sophisticated medieval state simply did not fit with Victorian myths of endless progress- the same myths used to justify all manner of social and environmental atrocities (DO NOT google “Phossy Jaw”)- and so the Empire was treated with sneering disdain by successive scholars.
Anyway, for more information about the Empire, I can recommend John Julius Norwich’s “A History of Byzantium” or, to be honest, the history thingy you can access through Age of Empires 2.

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Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
what were the byzantine rules re: women having tiddies out in public

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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The last emperor went out like a true g

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Oh you mean the empire of the Greeks.

Laslow
Jul 18, 2007
Glad you mentioned Age of Empires 2 in the OP. I don’t know much about the Byzantines, but they were my favorite faction to play as in that game. Of course I would just spawn a bunch of lions with the cheats and just watch my enemies get owned by my army of murder kittens anyway.

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate
Everything I know about the Byzantine capital I learned from They Might Be Giants.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Idk why these chumps get fire ships, what a fail unit, better stick with Vikings

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

GamingHyena posted:

Everything I know about the Byzantine capital I learned from They Might Be Giants.

Yeah, but that's no one's business but the Turks.


Weka posted:

Oh you mean the empire of the Greeks.

MODS

Zeluth
May 12, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Rosaliti Ice has my wooden spoon in it.

SleepyK
May 21, 2008
The original Gondor and their fortress city Constantinople. Those walls were no joke.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

According to Prokopius’ Anecdota, Justinian’s wife got eaten out on stage by a goose they trained for the act.

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
The buy some time empire, did they ever really go away? :thunk:

Or did they con the standing opal? :thunk:

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Roman Empire still stands imo

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Romans never found their moon, and they could be said to be the vane and adulterated version of something real, a hollow and empty cast of something ancient and long dead.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

i saw a documentary claimed that justinian was fond of having portraits of older emperors recaptioned with his own name all over greece and the balkans, pretty rude imo but also kind of cool

Colonel Cancer posted:

Roman Empire still stands imo

its true

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe
I LOVE BIG BYZANTINE TITTIES!!!

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

pfft it just moved to the Third Rome

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Colonel Cancer posted:

Roman Empire still stands imo

Im looking at a handful of change in my pocket. I'm seeing an emperor and a bunch of Latin alphabet. this theory checks out :hmmyes:

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
Byzantine in the front Jizzantine in the back imho

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Colonel Cancer posted:

Idk why these chumps get fire ships, what a fail unit, better stick with Vikings

GREEK fire.


You're lucky you didn't post this thread in Ask Tell, the big cheese round there hates the name byzantium.

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy
If a Byzantine Empire falls in a forest and no one hears it, did it really happen? Makes you think.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Weka posted:

You're lucky you didn't post this thread in Ask Tell, the big cheese round there hates the name byzantium.

I know, but I was interested in the unique insights that only GBS can bring.

Chinatown posted:

I LOVE BIG BYZANTINE TITTIES!!!

Zippy the Bummer
Dec 14, 2008

Silent Majority
The Don
LORD COMMANDER OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMED FORCES
the last surviving Roman Imperial government office is the Pontifex, so as far as I'm concerned the empire still exists. BITCH

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Zippy the Bummer posted:

the last surviving Roman Imperial government office is the Pontifex, so as far as I'm concerned the empire still exists. BITCH

correct, the last remaining Roman imperial government office is the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecumenical_Patriarch_of_Constantinople

I hope you were not referring to that pretender the "pope". he was fired a long time ago, totally not legitimate any more :colbert:

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Chinatown posted:

I LOVE BIG BYZANTINE TITTIES!!!

never thought about this before but youre right

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


The Greeks have Tuesday the 13th instead of Friday the 13th just because Byzantine fell on a Tuesday

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




If we consider Konstantine XI's brothers to be legitimate successors to the throne, I think Felipe the king of Spain currently holds the strongest claim to ByzantiumRoman Empire.

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
As a Turk, I just wanted to say this:

You're welcome :smuggo:

sajobi
Feb 7, 2015

Close the world, Open the nExt
I googled phossy jaw. gently caress me.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Weka posted:

Oh you mean the empire kingdom of the Greeks.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Where were you when the walls fell?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
They're gone in my current ck2 game tio rip

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

quote:


If we are to believe the Lives of the holy monks of Byzantine Palestine, the Holy Land (in particular the Holy City of Jerusalem, the aim of pilgrimages at the very heart of Christianity) was replete with ‘abodes of lust’ and prostitutes tracked down the monks in their secluded caves near the River Jordan.

Byzantine hookers sound like a very pro-active bunch, tracking down monks to gently caress.

Often Abbreviated
Dec 19, 2017

1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"

Archer666 posted:

Byzantine hookers sound like a very pro-active bunch, tracking down monks to gently caress.

Reboot the Assassin's Creed games to this.

Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer
RIP :(

The world was never the same since.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

From the 13th century onwards the Byzantine Empire really was just a puppet of Genoa, they supported the re-establishment of a Greek empire in Constantinople to conter the Venetians who had used the Fourth Crusade to essentially carve up the Empire for themselves gaining extensive trade and legal privileges in the resultant Latin Crusader states.
The Palaiologos Emperors were pretty much just a play piece in a struggle between Venice and Genoa for control of the Mediterranean and Black Sea trade. Then the Ottomans (and eventually the Spanish and Portuguese with the discovery of America and the establishment of the new route to India and China that went around Africa) came on the scene and essentially made all of this irrelevant.

Archer666 posted:

Byzantine hookers sound like a very pro-active bunch, tracking down monks to gently caress.

Jerusalem, after it was rebuilt, resettled and remodelled as a Christian city in the 5th century or so, essentially was hustle central. Not just prostitution but all manner of hustles and swindles and get-rich-quick schemes. Pilgrimmage brings the big bucks.

And related to the hooker and monk/priest thing, Rome in the Renaissance period (before it was more or less destroyed in the sack of 1527) was probably the best (or at least most profitable) city in the world to be a prostitute in. It wasn't just the clergy though it was also because of the nature of the development going on in Rome meant that a great many of the artisans and specialists and such in the city were there temporarily and were almost all men who had their family staying behind in their home cities. So Renaissance Rome was a city full of unmarried men (or men away from their families) and prostitutes.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 10:53 on May 29, 2020

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Often Abbreviated posted:

Reboot the Assassin's Creed games to this.

With Kassandra from Odyssey as the main character. Roaming the world looking for people to gently caress is pretty much how I played that game anyway, might as well make it canon.

Communist Bear
Oct 7, 2008

Byzantine Empire is very annoying to play in CK2.

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Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

I'd be scared of showing up to work in the Byzantine Empire because a lot of people seems to have been blinded and/or castrated.

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