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Polaron posted:I'm honestly not sure what is throwing you here, but (spoilers up until the episode Tom is asking about, but mostly from season 2 episode 6) Kosh was the Vorlon ambassador, but not the only remaining Vorlon or the last First One. The Vorlon race was the one First One race who stuck around after the last Shadow War that Delenn was referring to in 'In The Shadow of Z'ha'dum'. Delenn's next sentence during that reveal is "For centuries the Vorlons stood alone, the last remaining guardians". I'd have to go back and rewatch it, but I recall the way it was worded that it sounded as if the vorlons and kosh were separate and the vorlons were still around but kosh was the last of the oldest ones or something, that made it confusing. Anyways, s3e16, war without end only half way through but they just did the bombshell drop of what happened to babylon 4, and that is some wicked cool time paradox stuff. EDIT: That was cool, i'm curious how this sinclair time fuckery plays into things, but man Londo sucks in any time frame lol. I'm going to assume in part 2 sheridan takes b4 back 1,000 years and acts as the hero of the war back then and writes the note to himself. Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Mar 25, 2023 |
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I'm obviously not going to say anything now, but when you finish up come by the main thread and we'll fill you in.
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1x18: TKO. I feel like I write too much in these posts, so I'll just make random observations instead: o "Zima"? Really dates this episode quite a bit. The civilian clothing also looks straight out of a 1994 JC Penney catalog, if I'm going to be honest. o Although I'm not Jewish, my sense is that this episode handles the Jewish faith with a lot of sensitivity and respect. The more they expand on Ivanova's character the better I like her. o Smith's story could have been a cliche-ridden mess and it wasn't. I like how some aliens didn't like humans intruding on 'their' cultures; more of that in sci-fi, please! o Soon Tek-Oh is always great in whatever role he plays.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:1x18: TKO. The more the better! It might feel like you're talking into the void but I promise you there are a bunch of people reading them and it's extremely fun reading people's observations.
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sebmojo posted:The more the better! It might feel like you're talking into the void but I promise you there are a bunch of people reading them and it's extremely fun reading people's observations. Yes, we don't say a lot because we don't want to blow it for you but we're here. 
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Midjack posted:Yes, we don't say a lot because we don't want to blow it for you but we're here. Yup, we talk about people's observations ITT over in the spoiler-laden thread.  and then come join us beyond the Rim when you finish.
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whoops, turns out i forgot to post (and often make) notes in the past month. theyre all bad and completely unedited except for spoiler tags so feel free to skip this post will be season 3 S3e4 passing through Gethsemane - I know they said a few weeks had passed but holy moly that felt fast. Dude gets arrested for murder and basically executed the very next scene. "I confess!" alright lads you heard him, set phasers to JellyBrain - his walking corpse is needed about two levels down to slather some irony on Sheridan's face I wonder how consistent they are with relocating mindwipees, like does a psyop at Babylon pass the same 3 people they essentially murdered every day on the way to buy bread? This whole psy corp thing is amazingly twisted, especially for something that just kinda hangs around in the background most of the time. Just a whole bunch of attractive young fascist death squads, wholly owned, monopolized, controlled by, and loyal to a semi shadow state, used to literally execute people, spy on trade (and diplomatic?) negotiations, literally read people's thoughts.. oof. I'm imagining Sheridan, "what? Of course we're the good guys. Every completely normal society has roving bands of indoctrinated jackboots who kidnap children, read your mind, and rip the soul outta your body if you're naughty. And it's my duty to defend those brave patriots" S3e5 - voices of authority - G'Kar is so great Ohhh a political officer, Nazi Division. Throw her out the airlock. Come on Sheridan put your money where your mouth is. Do the coup "Good luck captain. You're about to go where I think everyone has gone before" oh ivanova S3e10 - in the middle of constant space combat and gunfight scenes, at a certain point they cut back to Garibaldi and the Narn repelling boarders and.. it's just devolved into a pub fight. People punching each other, holding a soldier's arms behind his back as another guy punches him.. what on earth. It was pretty Battlestar Galactica until that point S3e15 - ohh so that's what shadows look like Man Sheridan has about the same range as Sinclair. He yells a lot and that's about it Oh Kosh died. You kinda figure he'd maybe have arranged for a bit more protection if he knew the shadows would come for him in revenge, but I guess this is more dramatic Londo you are so bad at everything. You have the mentality of a horny 13 year old boy, stop trying to play the game of Empires. Just retire and become a full time loafer and all round chill guy, it's what you're good at. This politics thing is not your forte Also I like that they finally started playing the longer game with character development, at least with the doctor and his stim addiction. Although now I imagine it's the next step to him doing.. something, plot related Oh I forgot to mention but in the recent episodes this season, with all the space battles with earth, I can finally see all the cgi stuff paying off. it really made me want to re-watch the BSG remake, that poo poo was great S3e16 ohhh dang Sinclair is back, baby. Lay those eyebrows on me Also I've though this multiple times but forgot to write it down -- I love the *shrug, smile, move on -- all in 0.02s* that people have when the script just has some character ending on a pithy line but they still gotta film the reaction. I remember a scene from a couple episodes ago where Sheridan says something super weird to end a conversation in that cheesy sci fi kinda way, and Ivanova just nods and immediately turns away like "yep not getting into that", but then he remembers he also has something normal to ask her. I love watching the way different actors decide to react to different bizarre "that's the end of the scene, but make sure it ends on a dun dun DUNNNN" lines Like that scene in garth Marenghi where some character throws out the cut to commercial line, but they keep filming as they turn around and march awkwardly off into the distance for forever and a day. So good Hm.. Sinclair doesn't look so good. Poor guy. Forget what I said about Sheridan having the same range.. Sinclair is worse. But Sheridan ain't great S3e17 - .. just finished this two parter and i wasn't really following it at all, goldfish attention span got the better of me. I have the impression these were important and I'm gonna regret that.. whoops. Maybe I get it when I rewatch the series at some point S3e19 - Garibaldi how many times do you need to make the same mistake before you learn.. report in and let people know where you are and what you know before you go galavanting about into almost certain hosed up danger. Who is going to find you?? Terrible head of security, just inexcusable Oh and a creepy chucky type doll, lmao S3e22- Sheridan's wife comes back, immediately has mega creep vibes. If Sheridan is anything other than "this is a huge mind gently caress but obviously you are mixed up in something incredibly dodgy so I'm going to let ivanova and Garibaldi interrogate you for a few weeks" he's the biggest dumb dumb in the history of ever Like, I know she's lying and so forth but this whole dynamic is like, Sheridan, is this actually the woman you married and fell in love with? What kind of standards do you have? "Oh yeah she was always doing cute things like stealing my blood and standing over me with a knife while I slept, that's how you know it's true love. God I missed her" Lol I refuse to believe he's going to zahadum with her. Just eject her into the nearest black hole.. wait he just arrived. I honestly thought it was a scam, there's no way. 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i obviously have been getting spottier and spottier with thoughts and notes, but heres where im up to with season 4 S4e5 - the long night - well hello there Bryan Cranston, you're looking very young and tidy S4e6 - into the fire - nothing particularly revelatory here, just small observations like... Londo seems to have a single framed photo in his chambers, and its of himself. Lmao And also, fascist earth has been super quiet for a long time, new villains after the vorlons/shadows gently caress off? Would be a more tangible enemy for the rest of the series, tie nicely into "well now you need to learn to manage yourselves (and not turn fascist)" and I imagine earth could pump out a pretty nasty fleet, maybe with technology stolen from the minbari or even the shadows I will say that the vorlons/shadows going "oh jeez we been left home alone for too long, we done messed up" and pissing off fell a little flat for me. Complete 180 from their arrogance up to this point, although I get the thematic point e: ok reading these notes again, i feel compelled to clarify that on monday i just got diagnosed with ADHD, so apologies for the nonsense. I am still enjoying it so far but i am just not going to be the person that consistently analyses and remembers stuff and Does Good Posts boofhead fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 25, 2023 |
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There are no wrong or right ways to enjoy B5. I hope you still do enjoy it, but if you don't like certain plot threads, or certain characters, that's totally fine. It's always interesting to see newbies react to the show, especially those who are familiar with more contemporary sci-fi like the new BSG.
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Midjack posted:Yes, we don't say a lot because we don't want to blow it for you but we're here. Very much this. It's hard to respond to things without spoiling anything else even unintentionally.
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TK-42-1 posted:Very much this. It's hard to respond to things without spoiling anything else even unintentionally. Yeah the whole plot from start to finish was allegedly written out in in quite some detail for a series bible JMS shopped around, so there's a lot of things that someone who's completed the series might casually mention thinking nothing of it not realizing it was slowly teased out across multiple seasons. Season 1 is before JMS started having to deal with major actor issues, network futzing with everything, and in general all the problems that came with trying to run a serial show in an era where they kind of didn't exist.
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My favorite character so far is Londo Mollari. He's a lot of fun; I'd hang with him and explain the intricacies of the Hokey Pokey. Also, holy poo poo - it didn't register for me at first that the Minbari have someone named 'Dukat'. That's a really interesting coincidence (no, I don't necessarily buy the theory that the B5 writers stole from DS9 or vice versa). F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Mar 26, 2023 |
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s3e18 walkabout I really really like the way they're approaching this war, where they basically are running tests to see what they can even do, methodically. It feels very down to earth and un-dramatic in a good way. I feel like this is all leading up to some big team up with psy corps since they didn't seem to be in on the alien invasion, and, well... they need psychics. It feels like a real turning point for them, they finally have something they can do, instead of the nothing they have been doing. Also lmao if sheridan has kosh's god drat katra in his head and he's going to be some weird vorlan imbued thing. Edit, lol i realize I didn't even mention the whole title plot of the episode, but all the walkabout stuff was so forgettable. Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Mar 26, 2023 |
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:1x18: TKO. I love this episode because the B-plot is a wonderfully scripted and acted story, full of deeply human moments, and the A-plot is dumb dumb dogshit. I never remember they're in the same episode and it surprises me every time.
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s3e19 grey 17 is missing. Here we come to the episode finally that tipped me over the edge to finally watching this show and it was a missed opportunity, lol. A while ago in one of the star trek threads when the dumb as poo poo turbolift dimention on DISCO, I made some joke about finding a group of officers who got lost in the turbolift dimension and went all primitive, only for someone to mention there was an episode of babylon 5 like that. Its such a great premise the way its done too, at least at the start, a missing floor creepy! What a good concept! But then it ends up like a joke B story and resolves itself with no fanfare. Really sad, I was hoping to see more out of it. On the plus side though, the other story I was pleasantly surprised by. Not necessarily in how it was done or the overall plot, but I love the fact it was setting up yet another alliance race become fractured no doubt because of shadow influence, but instead the hard rear end dude totally comes around. It was nice to see them not falling apart like I thought they would.
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s3e20 and the rock cried out, no hiding place Man... I'm not even up to the opening credits yet and I'm being reminded how much I hate Londo. God he's awful, I hate how jovial and silly he's treated by the show when he's like the galaxy's #1 dickbag. edit: This conversation with Vir? Yeah, Londo can't gently caress off and die soon enough. edit 2: lmao ok, that reveal and the music playing, that was glorious. Absolutely wonderful stuff. Still a dick way to treat Vir, even if he felt he needed him for his plan, i mean its not like Londo coming out on top is some great thing, he's been a dickbag the whole series. Also poo poo, they really put together a fleet, wasn't quite expecting they were going to put that much together. This countdown though is loving ominous. Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Mar 26, 2023 |
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The rock cried out… is probably my second favorite episode of the series. I loved everything about it.
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ConfusedUs posted:The rock cried out… is probably my second favorite episode of the series. I loved everything about it. Easily one of the high points of the show.
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Alhazred posted:G'Kar's speech at the end totally redeems it though. oh yeah, its a nice one - a little summation of the whole premise of the show. bu g'kar's actor is such a standout performance in every way, he has just been nailing the whole thing from start to finish, so that even the occasional cheesy/camp sci-fi stuff is forgiven -- like, a couple times when posing for a fight he hisses and holds out his 'claws' like a cat?? somehow completely permissible because g'kar is just so good. i've loved londo since the start too but when it comes to tugging at the emotional heartstrings and pulling off a dramatic/pivotal moment, g'kar is unrivalled
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1x19 and 20: A Voice in the Wilderness. I'm not sure where to even begin. Episode reminded me a bit of both Spock's Brain and The Tholian Web, with a dash or two of the "rear end in a top hat admiral" syndrome that Star Trek has across all its series (almost every officer superior to Sinclair, if not every one, has been a power hungry dipshit so far). B5 is an interesting series because elements of it remind me of both BSG and DS9 (as I've said many times before), but it's not really like either one. One thing I've enjoyed in the first season (I'm assuming this continues later) is the implication that while Sinclair tries to keep B5 multicultural and peaceful, Earth is pretty dystopian. Not many details are given about why Mars is in revolt but - and maybe this is my leftism coming out - there seems to be a strong hint that the colony there is a backwater that is underserved by the idiots that are in charge on Earth. There have been other hints that things are not at all as they seem on Earth (Bester, PsyCorp, etc). Although I've grown to like Ivanova, I'm not so much a fan of the way she's written sometimes. The "I'm Russian, btw" stuff is straight out of the Chekov playbook, and the over-the-top "Ivanova is god" speech was a bit much for me. I don't blame Claudia Christian's acting; I think '90s sci-fi writing simply doesn't know how to write a woman too well. Random observation: Babylon 5's handling of labor disputes is a little cheesy but it - and DS9: Bar Association - is far better than the way a similar labor revolt is handled on the remastered BSG. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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s3e21 shadow dancing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrfAWHHVz50 But in all seriousness  I'm glad they're wrapping up the doctors 'walkabout' stuff, and doubly glad its being wrapped up with "you're an idiot thinking you're looking for some great truth. get back to things" lol. That whole plot was very meh.The whole space battle really shows where the shows cheap looking cgi, is also its strength for the mid 90's and lets them shoot the kind of thing they otherwise could never have gotten away with. It was pretty well done too and its neat how the war is kind of super slow building to this point where they could finally turn them back, it feels organic in their growth and learning how to fight them off, yet they still weren't able to do so without losing a bucketload of ships in their fleet. Its nice to see the captain actually telling them about his visions with kosh, I hate when characters refuse to talk about elements of whats going on to others in the story for contrived reasons, which leads me to... s3e22 Z'Ha'Dum Holy poo poo thats a season finale. Everything about this was fantastic. I was getting started on groaning about him giving in to a trap with neon signs around it because the plot demanded it, which is one of the things I hate most in shows. That contrived, "gorsh, I guess I should turn hostile to my friends and other trusted people on a whim to fall into an obvious trap, oh no!" is one of the worst thing, and I thought this episode was going to do that, but this show as a whole, Babylon 5, has been so incredibly smart to pull back almost every time those annoying plot contrivances happen. People actually talk to each other, reveal things, and trust things, and actually think. The fact he knew it all, didn't trust any of it, and then his reasoning for going anyways was great. He's being just incredibly proactive for the story, seeing what happened and trying to actually use that knowledge to change things, or cut the gordian knot. Pretty hosed up thing to find out about his wife, but man oh man that reveal, that amazing reveal the second g'kar's words "but two of the nukes are missing... " leave his lips... just  You know exactly whats going to happen (or at least what you hope will) from that second and you're loving every second of it, and they delivered it in spades. A lesser show would have his plan get foiled and the shadows capture the ship and him before he has a chance to blow it up, but they have really done well paying off everything and not falling into dumb writing brain. I feel like he's not going to be dead, what with the kosh vision telling him to jump and all, that seems obvious. But i'm incredibly curious how he survives that. Still, man that was a beautiful season ending show. This show really deserves its accolades. Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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It has been an absolute pleasure to read your B5 experience evolve. One of the few shows where vicariously experiencing someone watch it for the first time is almost as good as doing it yourself.
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1x21: Babylon Squared. Expectation: A scenario similar to the reappearance of Battlestar Pegasus, where the commander is a dickhead (continuing with the 'rear end in a top hat admiral' trope) and fights Sinclair over jurisdictional matters. Reality:  I kind of thought something like that was coming, but holy loving poo poo! I would almost bet real money that Sinclair and Delenn's stories here are intertwined; especially since there's a lot more to the 'last 24 hours of the Earth-Minbari War' stuff than we yet know.However, a minor quibble: It would be great if there was a science fiction show where humans weren't the center of the universe. We're hairless apes who are only a few thousand years removed from dragging our knuckles on the ground; how "important" and "special" could we idiots actually be to anyone? I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes now. It's really getting good. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:1x21: Babylon Squared. Makeup's cheaper for humans.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:1x21: Babylon Squared. 
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:1x21: Babylon Squared. this really is where the show felt like it was picking up and being something a bit more special. You kinda need that first season to slowly introduce you to the setting and player though
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I wasn't going to watch another episode today, but today's news sucks so much poo poo that I needed an escape. So.... 1x22: Legacies. (To Tom Guycot's post) There has been a pretty steady increase in quality throughout the season. The pilot was not bad but a little on the cheesy side; especially the acting. The actor quality in particular has generally gotten better (a notable exception was the commander of B4, who I thought was a tad over the top). The fact that there doesn't seem to be a lot of distrust and bigotry between humans and Minbari, even a mere ten years after the war, is a really interesting facet of Babylon 5. Even in Star Trek, Miles O'Brien was dealing with his feelings about the Cardassians years after the Federation had waged war against them (TNG: The Wounded). It's a bit overly optimistic to think that all "Earthers" (aside from the xeophobes) are accepting of the Minbari, but it's nice to see that some bad blood still remains. Parading the body of someone the commander of the station fought against in the war is an ultimate 'gently caress you' move. Although I like Sinclair I have to give props to the Minbari for having the balls to do something like that. In a series that depicts uneasy situations and resolutions, I thought the solution to Alisa's dilemma was a bit easy. The thing is, I tend to agree with Ivanova that the Psi Corp is real 1984 poo poo. However, she was very clearly letting her (understandable) baggage about her mom color the information she was feeding to Alisa. That's not to say that Talia was any 'better', but 2258 Earth's treatment of telepaths sucks. I thought this was the final episode of the season, but Tubi TV tells me that Chrysalis is next, so I suppose I'll find out the hidden meaning that Delenn was trying to keep hidden in her mind. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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S4e1 the hour of the wolf. oooh digging this new intro, i like everyone getting a line to say. So much ominous foreshadowing just in the title credits so far! edit: What the gently caress?? how is morden alive? even if he looks like palpatine, that seems crazy edit2: hah well theres your prophecy vision londo, eat poo poo, lol edit3: space sauron! edit4: and in the least shocking moment of the story, sheridan is still alive. How he survived and who this weirdo guy is i'm looking forward to finding out though. Seems this season is going to be split between Babylon 3: The Search For Sheridan, and the adventures of Vir: Royal Assassin. I hope londo and centauri prime get whats coming to them from the prophecy visions, though with sheridan throwing a spanner in the works I suppose thats all up in the air. Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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s4e2 whatever happened to mr. Garibaldi? Felt a bit contrived to have G'kar go "my honor dictates you leave me alone in a hostile place where people are hunting for me so that I'm easier to capture. go now!" I mean what was even the point of him being on that planet in the first place with G'kar? Just have G'kar there alone and it at least doesn't feel as weird. Sinclair meeting uh... god? whatever, is very strange. I'd like a more concrete explanation for what happened to him, and I hope we get it, rather than this weird kind of mystical stuff. This centauri emperor is nuts, but I guess that makes him a good representative centauri emperor. Hasn't this show done enough to G'kar and the narn? good lord they just keep piling it on top. I mean, this is a great speech by Londo to G'kar, but I got no sympathy for you in any of this Londo, you're sins aren't going to be washed away because you feel bad for the one narn that you personally know, while planning to use him to your ends. I really hope this isn't how the narn get back at the centauri, by having their freedom granted to them by the largess of Londo Molari thanks to G'kar acting as his pawn for an assassination. Thats a pretty unsatisfying way if they do, and the narn are still left with a destroyed, twice over now, planet and millions dead thanks to these nazis. Londo waving his hand and saying "you're free now" isn't enough to balance any of this, especially since they wouldn't have even lost their world and had millions dead without the fine work of Londo. gently caress Londo and any of his self righteousness. Its too little too late.
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S4e03 The Summoning, aka The Most Predictable Return Ever lol, not that its a bad thing, the show didn't really try to keep it in suspense or anything. Jesus, I hate the centauri. The cardassians wish they were are loathsome as the centauri. At least the cardassians had Garrick! The only one the centauri have going for them is Vir, and he's not Garrick good, plus he'll probably die before the show is out... I knew the vorlon's were getting shifty but jesus, they're just going around destroying every planet??? Why not put that effort into just snuffing out the shadows! Actually join the worlds fighting them! Are they really going to have to fight the vorlons and the shadows? Surely that 'first one' guy can just go talk to the vorlons and say "yo, dudes, cut it out and stop being dicks". They've been so secretive though its hard to really draw any conclusion about that. Kosh is the only one we even barely got to know and he barely said dick about the vorlons themselves. Also lmao yeah, Geribaldi is totally some loving sleeper agent for some major bullshit coming down the pipe.
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S4e4 Falling towards apotheosis Jesus christ, the vorlons are going at it hard, not even wasting any time. Weird to see the station folks looking at shariden as some kind of messiah too. edit: lmao i love how batshit this emperor is, londo deserves him edit 2 garibaldi is such a programmed infiltrator of some kind... edit 3 man the vorlon really became frightening. They're worse than the shadows! edit 4 Holy poo poo! that vorlon trap! What the gently caress is that thing? Thats a vorlon? why the hell did kosh just look like some kind of angel, is that just because he wanted them to? Is this freaky thing the real vorlon? Christ! The vorlon are way worse than the shadows. I wasn't expecting this total heel turn fro the vorlons, sure they were mysterious, but I wasn't expecting them to become the outright villains of the story. If it took all this to kill one of them, how on earth are they going to ever stop the vorlon? At least the shadows you can just shoot! edit 5 Oooooh are we going to end this series with a wedding episode? Lets hope! That would be a great ending to babylon 5. edit 6 what the gently caress! jesus leave g'kar alone god drat it! I know the future vision had an eyepatch so they're catching up to that but c'mon! the future should have changed! Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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 Those are some good blind watch posts for sure
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Re: edit 4, Yeah, that’s what they really look like. If you remember way back in season 2, it was explained that Kosh generally doesn’t reveal himself because to do so “is a great strain” - the angelic appearance is a guise, a sort of telepathic projection thing that takes a great deal out of him. It’s exhausting. Because without it, the Vorlon are, essentially, beings of pure energy. They have evolved past corporeality.
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Chevy Slyme posted:Re: edit 4, Which will in turn lead the viewer to an interesting answer to the question of why Londo saw nothing.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Which will in turn lead the viewer to an interesting answer to the question of why Londo saw nothing. Londo saw nothing because what everyone was looking at was neither a cocktail, a stripper, or a political rival. All else is immaterial and not worth the neurons spent processing the raw visual input. He was simply operating at peak Londo efficiency
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Tom Guycot posted:edit 4 Holy poo poo! that vorlon trap! What the gently caress is that thing? Thats a vorlon? why the hell did kosh just look like some kind of angel, is that just because he wanted them to? Is this freaky thing the real vorlon? Christ! The vorlon are way worse than the shadows. I wasn't expecting this total heel turn fro the vorlons, sure they were mysterious, but I wasn't expecting them to become the outright villains of the story. If it took all this to kill one of them, how on earth are they going to ever stop the vorlon? At least the shadows you can just shoot! 
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I dunno if any of y'all have played Stellaris, but it absolutely has a (spoiler is relevant to Tom's posts about the Vorlons) Shadows & Vorlons dynamic that's possible in every game. There are a couple of "fallen empires" that are very old, have immense strength, and are exceedingly isolationist. They take little to no part in the game until, suddenly, they do. They become Awakened Empires and go on the warpath. Sometimes one waking up will cause the other to wake up and oppose them, which is bad for EVERYBODY.
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1x23: Chrysalis. Danger, Will Robinson! When a main character proposes, you know poo poo is about to go down. It's already been spoiled that Sinclair won't be with the series much longer (not how; I just made the mistake of reading Michael O'Hare's Wikipedia entry). I'm guessing this is where a few story lines from S1 are going to converge). Oh holy gently caress....this is getting pretty BSG. You can definitely tell that someone crafted the 'Vice President being sworn in' scene with an eye toward making it very much like the famous 'LBJ being sworn in next to Jackie Kennedy' photo. Very good work. I don't think it's going to be any coincidence that the new president is talking about "taking care of our own people". Uh...wow. That's quite a cliffhanger. This show is really getting good now....
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