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TheAardvark posted:you mentioned a spin-off, and I know there are other movies but I think they were all post series. Production order on Buffy/Angel is simple - from S4/S1 alternate between the two shows. For spinoffs and movies of B5, should you get that far: watch In The Beginning and Thirdspace between S4 and S5 and River of Souls and A Call to Arms after S5 but before Crusade.
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TheAardvark posted:I don't want to discourage the people who have seen the show from posting at all, you all have been mostly really good about it. I like the production notes a lot too. I'm fine with y'all keeping on posting, just please think hard about what whether what you're posting is going to change our perception of the story we're watching, or give us a perspective we simply cannot have within what we have seen so far. The difficulty is that by posting, we might change your perspective without meaning to. I've bitten my tongue on mentioning things that aren't even spoilers, really, in case I accidentally let something slip or just make you watch the show in a different way. It's best not to start, and I'm happy with there being a moderator enforced prohibition on Knowledgeable Folk posting here.
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McCloud posted:Get her an account here too so she can He might have to change his avatar first.
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robziel posted:This has been a fantastic thread to read over the past couple days and I'm looking forward to reading more. I've also realized that I haven't watched this show in over a decade when I introduced my wife to it, so thank you for making me go dig out my dvds to rewatch it. You know where the thread for previous watchers is, I hope.
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robziel posted:I found a thread in the TVIV https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3785889 or is there another one? That's the bunny.
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mllaneza posted:Timov, one of the very best secondary characters on the show, was played by Jane Carr. A British actress, she made her career as a character actor in America and has been in hell of stuff, most recently DC's Legends of Tomorrow.. On which note, I just found out that June Lockhart is still with us and likewise still working even into her mid-90s.
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The_Doctor posted:She’s very familiar, but looking at her IMDb profile, I can’t say I’ve actually seen anything else she’s been in. Maybe we’ve just got so many of her type of actress here in the UK, she’s one out of many. Carr was mostly a stage actress. Her biggest credit before B5 was a role in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie back in 1968.
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Jun 25, 2020 13:25
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Fresh from the hills of colombia, can anyone in space hear you scream for your cream? Glad you're enjoying it again! Don't forget to shut the gently caress up in here, and join us in the TVIV spoiled thread if you want to talk. 
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Jun 29, 2020 14:33
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TheAardvark posted:i'm more interested in figuring out how Garibaldi managed to get all of the parts to a 1990s motorcycle shipped to him unassembled Junkyard diving is a thing even today. As to why Garibaldi was building it: that's entirely non-story related so I can tell you. The WB Network were running a competition to promote their evening roster in which the first prize was a Kawasaki Ninja. To enter required watching Babylon 5, Time Trax or Kung Fu: The Legend Continues to answer a question about the show, and so all three shows featured the bike as product placement. This wasn't too hard for Kung Fu or Time Trax as they were both set in the present day, but for B5 they needed to find an excuse and that was it.
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Jun 29, 2020 16:46
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TheAardvark posted:S2E14 - There All the Honor Lies A completely-unrelated-to-B5 note on this, but still spoilery for 2X14: At the time S2 of B5 was filming, Billy Mumy and Peter David had a kids SF show of their own in production. In one episode of that show, the characters find Ba-Bear-Lon 5 floating in space and one of them asks "What kind of dope would toss a perfectly good bear into space?" In case you're thinking the answer is "Sheridan Bearkiller": the bear was originally a gift to JMS from Peter David's wife, and the JS initials actually stand for "Joe Straczynski". He spaced it because he hates cutesy stuffed toys.
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Jul 13, 2020 18:24
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ultrafilter posted:The UK got the episodes a month or so earlier, I think. No, that was the last season. The UK got the world premiere of the final five episodes.
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Jul 16, 2020 08:45
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Tsaedje posted:Full face prosthetics are so horrendous to wear and put on/take off that when you find someone willing to do it you're going to keep giving them work. Also saves money as a nice side effect. It also allows you to make full face prosthetics for extras on a TV schedule. Star Trek had defined aliens as "humans with funny foreheads" because it was easy and quick - need a Klingon for a background scene? Grab a Cornish pasty from the canteen and the spirit gum. B5 wanted its aliens to look more alien, so they took the route of building a small repertory company to play minor alien parts. In that way they could keep a bust of the actor and rapidly make up a mask for any race they might be needed to play.
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sebmojo posted:Honestly, I barely even vibe with the concept of spoilers because I reread and rewatch things constantly and enjoy the good ones more each time, BUT, this thread is about taking in a genuine masterwork of storytelling (for all its quirks and foibles) untainted so I'd really appreciate an utterly anal approach to non-spoilering. Talking about specific eps under tagged spoiler blocks is fine, everything else, use the other thread. Not to backseat, Seb, but I'd be loath to allow the Other Thread posters to comment on plot at all. Like, I remember the thoughts I had the first time I saw ep 220, but in stating them I would be revealing what is important enough for me to recall a quarter century later. I think that if we post here at all it should only be to discuss production and then only about the specific episode.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Well what's a "pure" experience though? Should we enforce that they watch by air date only? That seems rather presumptuous, and if someone does want a "when is best storywise" order I'd rather someone give that in here than forcing them out into searching the internet at large with spoiler landmines galore. Then wait for someone to ask for it. And spoiler it if you do.
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TheAardvark posted:Season 3 - Episode 4 - Passing through Gethsemane Production notes, spoilers up to 304: Louis Turenne was meant to return as Draal in 220, but he had a minor stroke just before production began so they needed to replace him quickly with someone they already had a head mould for. W. Morgan Sheppard was available, but the Minbari makeup was too similar to the Soul Hunter makeup he'd originally appeared in. They had already cast John Schuck as G'Kar's uncle G'Sten, so they did a quick bait and switch to give him the role of Draal and put Sheppard in the Narn makeup. However, they hadn't forgotten Turenne, so JMS wrote the role of Brother Theo specifically for him to play when he recovered.
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If anyone was wondering, I've heard from VideoGames. He'll be back, have no fear.
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The_Doctor posted:Oh heck, so there’s tie-in comics, and they’re plot relevant? That makes them fairly unique. Worth tracking down? The first 11-issue run from 1995 is not strictly plot relevant, and there are some discrepancies between the comics and the show. There was also one more story which was released three years later, and you should avoid it at all costs for now as it is plot relevant and has huge spoilers for things you haven't seen yet. Beyond that, avoid all ancillary material as it's either non-canon or far too canon.
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I'd recommend leaving this discussion to the blind watchers. We don't want anyone accidentally hinting at something they shouldn't.
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Ayin posted:The crop+zoom treatment is a cruel joke and I am still mad about the dvds. You can at least understand the crop and zoom - B5 was shot in 16:9 preservation but the CGI was rendered only in 4:3 to save time and money, so they couldn't do a full widescreen release without remastering the effects - but there were non-CGI shots in a couple of S5 episodes that were stretched from 4:3 to 16:9. That's just unforgivable laziness.
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ConfusedUs posted:Wow. The shrunken-down version totally looked (to me) like someone photoshopped Ivanova onto a Crucifixion painting. The halo, the pose, everything. S1: It's actually the crop that's creating the parallel. The control mechanism of the Great Machine is based on Vitruvian Man. And Doc, congrats on your money find. As I recall there were only 100 of each of the signed B5 S2 trading cards.
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The_Doctor posted:Oh, I assumed whoever had the card before had got Christian to sign it at a con or something. Huh, neat. It could be - I'd do a Google search to be sure, I was posting in a few minutes before firing up the work PC (God bless WFH, I'm in a meeting). But I'm pretty sure that was the image used for her autograph card.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I seem to recall there's one episode in season 1 (un spoilered because I think all the newbies are WELL past that point) with a cute kid, and he gets murdered off-screen. The episode in question was written by David Gerrold, who was on the TNG development team and wrote The Trouble With Tribbles for the original series. JMS wasn't so much saying "gently caress you" to Trek as making sure that everyone knew B5 wasn't Trek, and was willing to boldly go where Trek would not.
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You on discovering the magnificently obvious: "cool". I hope people choose to commemorate Mira's passing by resuming the blind watch. In your own time, of course.
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VinylonUnderground posted:Don't post a thing until you hit episode 4.20 This is a 420 joke, and not anything specific about S4E20. Please ignore the troll.
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Narzack posted:I guess there's just something about B5 vets, they just can't help themselves. I have two seasons to go, and then it'll get me, too. It's more that the story is a coherent whole. With an episodic show you know they haven't seen what you want to talk about if they haven't seen the one episode in which it appears. But with B5, it's natural for discussion of any given plot thread to follow that thread as it evolves beyond the episode where it began. And that's spoilery, which is why the previous watchers should bite their tongues.
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Blindeye posted:Probably after season 2 for...reasons that I won't share in this thread. If you can't discuss it in this thread, put it in the not-blind thread.
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DrBouvenstein posted:The Gathering is the pilot movie, it IN THEORY should be watched first, but I know plenty of B5 watchers say don't bother, it's not THAT critical. In the Beginning was a catch-up movie and is best watched in the position where it was made, so after S4.
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Mar 19, 2021 16:58
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robziel posted:I have always really liked the space suit design in that episode. You should - they're the suits worn by Frank Poole and Dave Bowman in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Replicas were made for the 1985 sequel, and it's those that were used on B5.
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RedSnapper posted:Maybe not? By their own admission the entire thing is meant to be arbitrary and devoid of any deeper meaning. There's no class, nation or race division involved - - just the color you randomly pulled from a box True, but it might have been better if (2X03) they had been using alien words for them, and only when asked what made you one or the other do we find out that they're just the Drazi words for the colours.
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Whybird posted:It would have originally been aired in 1994, too, so right when a lot of people were claiming HIV was god's judgement on the LGBT community. That's "aired any time since 1983". I wouldn't ascribe too much significance to it.
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Midjack posted:It's even stronger "I'm a rereg of a shitfucker who made a lot of bad posts in this thread earlier" energy. Yeah, the "registered yesterday" bit was a clue. I'd wager money that it's Incel'shok Na back for another round, and he was a rereg of a previously banned poster.
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Zat posted:Btw, just a suggestion you might want to use episode names instead of numbers because they're sometimes slightly rearranged or renumbered in various sources. In this case though it's obvious you mean Chrysalis or the season finale, which is the only episode that can be "episode 23" in a season that actually has 22 episodes not counting The Gathering which came a year before the series proper premiered. Sounds like someone fluffed the numbering, because pilots are generally episode 00.
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pentyne posted:Is it a true story that JMS had to actually get it cleared to air even as a joke, and the subliminal message still had to last a certain number of frames or it was illegal? He didn't have to clear it, but it is true that the "subliminal" message is exactly one frame longer than the mandated legal minimum display time. Images need to be at least three frames long, and the one in the Psi Corps ad is four.
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Zat posted:HBO even messes around a bit with the episode order in the first two seasons, which is questionable as well but I don't think it ruins anything. There's somewhere between nine and thirteen episodes that really need to be watched in the right order. What's the HBO order?
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OK, that's not too awful. I'd still swap Legacies and The Quality of Mercy personally, but that's a matter of taste.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's crazy to me that B5 ended in 99, looking much better but still fairly primitive, then four years later we get BSG which I think looks just as good as any 2021 space CG. The Centurions look a little rough sometimes, but it's still hard to mix CG and live action well. Do bear in mind that once Babylon 5 had its models, it was pretty much stuck with them. There simply wasn't time, money or even really the option to redesign things. With each iteration, though, the CGI evolved. For example, this is a jumpgate from S1:  And this is a jumpgate from Lost Tales, made 15 years later on a budget of $5 and two packs of spearmint chewing gum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XKRKihnxs4 I couldn't find a still from A Call To Arms or Crusade, but they had jumpgates that were somewhere in the middle.
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The United States posted:[video type="youtube"]WlDaygRhrg8ideo] Breaking your link. Please don't post videos with any kind of spoiler for the show in the Blind Watch thread. I only posted the jumpgate video because I knew it was spoiler free (and you can see what I wanted to show in the thumbnail).
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sebmojo posted:i took it out. take general b5 chat over to the other thread I think it's OK to discuss the quality of the CGI here, especially in the context of people coming new to the show and thinking it looks like rear end. It's when you start saying "but watch this season 7 clip, the Hurgleflarg ship destroying Babylon 6 looks amazing" that there's a problem. (Note to all blind watchers: there is no season 7, don't worry that you missed it.)
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CainFortea posted:The first time I upgraded my hard drive, I went from a 10 meg platter drive to a 40 meg. And I told my friend "holy poo poo I will *NEVER* need to upgrade gain" I started feeling weird when I got a new PC that had more RAM than my first PC had hard drive space.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The first computer I used was my dad's BBC Master, which had a hard drive capacity of zero bytes That's why I said my first PC. My first computer was a ZX81.
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