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Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



blind bookmarked thread

Frankenstyle posted:

I'm so glad I saw this show when it came out, because it doesn't hold up well now.

lol it literally gets better every single time I watch it, which I've admitedly lost track of but is approaching double digits

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Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



if that's your reaction to a throwaway season 1 episode then this thread is going to get insanely good

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



also have you seen any Stargate?

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



TheAardvark posted:

I've watched the original movie like 4 or 5 times but never any of the TV shows lol

There's a reason I ask, based on your post about ascended beings you'd probably appreciate that show too.

You are where I was last winter; my wife was trying to get me to watch SG-1 and I was reluctant because I had thought it was a Hercules/Xena tier show, but it really surprised me basically right from the start and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



sebmojo posted:

starting again on s1 when you've just finished s5 is an incredible power move, incidentally - you notice a lot more to like about s1 and obviously, all the stuff that was being foreshadowed as early as the pilot is even richer.

its possible that's what you're referring to, but my wife had us do exactly that the first time she saw it

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Originally I must have caught the pilot, because I remember G'Kar's proposition to Lyta as my first experience with the show, and then season 1 off and on, but by season 2 it was something I made sure I was there to watch every episode.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



thankfully that is a very mild and general spoiler, but people definitely need to keep it in their pants itt

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



maybe rename the thread something like Babylon 5 Newbie Nature Preserve

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



You couldn't make a show like this today, no one's interested in the slow burn start anymore. I'm just as guilty with new stuff, as a viewer, if something doesn't grab my interest very quickly. Beyond that, though, there's no such thing as awe, wonder, seeking after the profound and wrestling with the great mysteries of life, those little moments that do nothing to further the plot but everything to further the themes. Drama, plot, comedy, action - guts and brains, that's all anybody knows anymore, no heart.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Sanguinia posted:

Bad News: This thread made me want to go rewatch B5, but sometime since my last rewatch a couple of years ago it went from free on Amazon Prime to per-episode-purchase on Amazon Prime. Being able to watch b5 is one of the reasons I finally broke down and got that drat service, what a gip!

Good News: Learning this allowed me to discover that Prime has apparently ALL of Stargate on it, from the original film through to Universe. Back in my college years I caught a lot of piecemeal episodes of SG1 and Atlantis on the SciFi channel, but I've never watched it in order all the way through. Maybe I'll follow in this thread's footsteps and do that

I just finished doing this for the first time, I'd seen the movie a few times but never any of the show. I enjoyed it and I would enjoy a thread.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



TheAardvark posted:

S1E20 - "Babylon Squared"
Here's the usual Sci-Fi wankery over humans' unique strengths. I'm sorry, I'm never a big fan of this. Humans are the only race that has emotions and cares and it makes them the most powerful blah blah blah.

While fully realizing this is wankery to the hilt, I'm still a sucker for it, in this and Star Trek and Stargate and so on and so on.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



TheAardvark posted:

all right, I'm going to give Stargate a whirl to keep myself from blowing money on more B5 before it goes to Prime. I'll pick up B5 again at a slower pace once The_Doctor catches up.

Gonna start a thread for that one too?

OtherworldlyInvader posted:

It's a blind watch thread, let them experience it fresh without expectations built up by other people

On the one hand, yeah, but on the other hand, a little bit of inoculation doesn't hurt. I'd heard a lot about Stargate Universe having a different tone from SG-1 and Atlantis before I watched any of the Stargate shows, and that it was offputting to many fans of the former, which to me helped set the expectation so it wasn't so jarring of a transition. And although I myself was still on the fence for a while despite that, about halfway through the first season it really caught my interest and then kept getting better from there. I'm not completely sure I would've made it that far without knowing, to some degree, what to expect.

But, on the gripping hand, less is more.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



TheAardvark posted:

I wondered about this, because I think S1E20 refers to Babylon 4 as the largest of the human stations(?). Have we gotten a rough population count for B5 so far, by the way? I may have missed it.


Not really a spoiler to answer at least the one question, B5's population is around a quarter million. One of the season opening credits says it I think.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Sad King Billy posted:

Just a thought about 2:1

Why are you posting this if you're not a first timer?

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Sad King Billy posted:

Absolutely nothing relating past 2:1 in that spoiler.

I don't think I agree with that, but it's a matter to discuss more in the other thread.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



VideoGames posted:

Ok just watched Deathwalker and that was pretty decent too.


That final speech from the Deathwalker to Sinclair was fantastic. That she still got one last screw you to all those who hated her by requiring her immortality work at the hands of another life is harrowing. Also the fact that you know those races and the Earth alliance would not have cared and would easily have put it into play.


Absolutely, the most horrifying part of the episode is that you know she's 100% correct about what would have happened.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



O to be a fly on the wall, but alas, my voyeurism does know bounds.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



I have to say, VideoGames, I am loving your enthusiasm.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



SlothfulCobra posted:

I think I've heard that a whole lot about Londo was just Peter Jurasik's decisions. Like how apparently the original plan was that he'd have a much smaller crest.

I believe I've heard they tried to get him not to do the accent either, but every time they rolled film he kept doing it. Definitely the right choice on his part, it's iconic.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



TheAardvark posted:

ah, that's fantastic. I didn't notice it, but it may have been there.

If memory serves, in the commentary for this episode (S2E15) JMS claims they contacted the FCC to get an exact threshold for something to be considered illegally subliminal, and made this bit toe the line as closely as possible.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



I'm extremely hype for just about every single episode in the entire rest of the show. Warn me about that why don'tcha??

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



MrL_JaKiri posted:

What, even [redacted]?

Every single episode of this show is great. Even the bad ones, and I am unanimous on this.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



TheAardvark posted:

Here we loving GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



An aside: I have the DVDs, but after some discussion in here about the version on Vudu being the superior 4:3 I decided to check it out. I was very worried at first when we watched The Gathering tonight because if anything that one might be even worse than the DVD version (although it's been a while). Its widescreen but it looks like not just the effects shots, but the whole thing, got the crop-and-zoom treatment that hampered the DVD effects shots. Also it had a terrible frame stutter.

But the first few seconds of episode 1 put my fears to rest, the cgi looks smooth as butter. I'm happy I spent the money to support the greatest show of all time. Really looking forward to seeing this in a way I haven't for 20+ years.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Are the other movies included as well, or is it just The Gathering, as the pilot?

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



The_Doctor posted:

The versions I’m watching on my Plex are quite clear, but I noticed during ‘Now for a word’ they zoomed in whenever there was text on screen, cropping the picture. Mine are all 16:9 too.

Sounds like those are at least based on the DVDs then.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Too vehement perhaps? Edited out, anyway.

Goblin Craft fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Aug 9, 2020

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Polaron posted:

Don't do this, dude.

Edited, in the interest of comity. Please do the same.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Anyway I don't think I was giving hints or whatever, I was essentially agreeing with TheAardvark. The show is always less about events and more about characters and themes. But I'll abide by the thread's wisdom above my own in this regard.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



The_Doctor posted:

Oh, I get it. As we’ve said repeatedly, Babylon 5 is basically a play on screen, and thus there’s very similar limitations. I also listen to a lot of Big Finish audio plays, and there’s similar amounts of things being described and not actually seen.

However, I also feel like (2x20) you’re doing the Narn a disservice by not showing their genocide, and concentrating on the monster watching it and how he feels about it. Of course he should be made to watch the things he has wrought. This is your doing, Londo, don’t look away. All I’m saying is it feels a bit light. You could have had one single shot of what those mass drivers do when they hit the ground, from a people level, just to ram home that these are people, and not just numbers on a screen. Hell, even just some buildings vaporising. We’ve not seen the Narn homeworld before now (I think?), so to get a glimpse pre-rubble would have been nice. Centauri Prime got one at the start of the episode, why not afford Narn the same privilege before you destroy it? It makes the Narn feel lesser in the creator’s eyes.

I still disagree, you can see from space that the explosions are immense. The whole production, from Londo's palpable horror, to the way it's shot, to the music, says enough imo. But, I suppose it does take all kinds to make a world, even if I do think you all are, in various ways, a bunch of weirdos.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



If I can pipe in with one last thought on the movies, I'm not sure how a contextless optimized watch order for them could be considered a spoiler, any more than an optimized episode order is. If I'm watching something serialized I always appreciate a guide, like when we were going through Stargate my wife found an optimized watchlist that maximized the number of SG-1 and Atlantis episodes we could watch, without spoilers, sequentially rather than just going back and forth between the shows, and I found that really helpful and enjoyable. I guess you could say, if you're paranoid to an unhealthy degree, that led us to know that e.g. season 9 episode 1 ended a multi-part episode or had something referred to in the next episode of the other show. But that's a little extreme.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Doctor Zero posted:

On the other hand, some people don't even look up future episode titles, so best to err on the side of caution. IMO the "blind watch" should be as close to the pure 1st time viewing experience as possible.

Well what's a "pure" experience though? Should we enforce that they watch by air date only? That seems rather presumptuous, and if someone does want a "when is best storywise" order I'd rather someone give that in here than forcing them out into searching the internet at large with spoiler landmines galore.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



I think the main new viewers in this thread are past it already, but on the DVDs and probably therefore also Amazon streaming, the first couple of episodes of season 2 have an incorrect title sequence that displays a spoiler, while the version on Vudu has the correct sequence for these episodes.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



The_Doctor posted:

Yeah, I got spoiled that way.

Sorry I couldn't post that sooner, we just got to that point in our rewatch and I hadn't remembered it until then.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



The_Doctor posted:

S2ep10 - Severed Dreams

Why couldn’t the Alexander’s starfuries just use the same jump point when they were escaping the Clarkstown? What was the necessity of them being inside? We’ve seen them do it before, and it even happens in this episode when the Roanoke and Agrippa turn up?


If you're talking about the starfuries left to fill in B5's complement, all berths were filled on the surviving ship(s) (I forget the actual tactical situation), so while they could escape, the rebels would always have to have a fighter wing outside the ship, or wait until they join up with another ship that lacked fighters. It's a matter of efficience and practicality.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Oh, okay. I chalk that up to the fighters were engaged away from the ship, and turning to run for a jump point would leave them vulnerable.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Looking forward to reading about watching some B5 soon.

Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



The_Doctor posted:


Franklin’s Foundationism is curious (I’m reading it as ‘religion’ here, rather than foundationalism, the philosophy concept of ‘I think therefore I am’), utilising the walkabout concept from Australian Aboriginal people. Is it a piecemeal religion cherrypicking bits and pieces from all sorts of cultures?


Not a spoiler per se, so short answer, yes. There is a longer answer but that's pretty much what it boils down to.

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Goblin Craft
Feb 12, 2002



Empress Brosephine posted:

I am, I just watched s1 episode 12. I watch a episode a week basically though since my gf hates the show.

where's all the posts then

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