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Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

TraderStav posted:

Should the newbies watch in the standard order or the modified order? I did the modified order after I found out about it half way through Season 1 and some stuff made more sense that way.

Watch it in the order it aired.

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Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

I would avoid podcasts and more reading until you finish the show, even episode by episode writing. You want to form your own opinions and thoughts on your first watch through. And sometimes those analyses will have spoilers, especially if it was written 26 years later.

Even the lurkers guide which IIRC is broken up episode by episode drops some hints.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Quality of Mercy fun fact: (back scenes talk only no plot revealed, but spoiler it in case someone may be surprised by the casting)

The guest star and Lennierís actor were both in Lost In Space as mother and son, but in this episode of B5 they donít share a scene!

Bill Mumy actually walks through a scene out of costume behind her at one point

Doctor Zero fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jun 8, 2020

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

TheAardvark posted:

Also my mom has some kind of eidetic memory for 60s TV shows and asked me if that was Billy Mumy during a Lennier scene. I just set her up with my Amazon account so she might be watching it too

Your mom must be a huge Lost in Space fan because I loved that show growing up and even I didnít realize who it was for several episodes. (I think I missed his name in the credits for a while)

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Polaron posted:

Or they're drinking some weird, highly processed Nu-Caff that's sorta like coffee if you're still waking up.

Zima brand coffee

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

TheAardvark posted:

i'm more interested in figuring out how Garibaldi managed to get all of the parts to a 1990s motorcycle shipped to him unassembled

Lots of time on Space eBay.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

We know itís TV because if it was real life there would have been about four seasons of ďwait... this part isnít a KZ-458T/12 - itís a KZ-485T/12!!!! Ē before it was put together.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

TheAardvark posted:

someone's gonna click on this seeing a bunch of unread posts and they're going to find out it's all domes all the way down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNL8J1CM04E

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

I still think it should have been Bear-ba-lon 5.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

TheAardvark posted:

S3E1 - Matters of Honor

Koshy boy. Being seen by so many at once was a great strain? That fits with it all being psychic projection.

"Nobody knows it was you"? What lol. I guess he was only near Delenn so no one else tied it to Kosh?

"I have always been here." Love this conversation. So many big sci-fi concepts that could be referring to, or just casual cryptic Vorlon nonsense. I'd give it good odds that that line is one of the most important in the entire series.

Kosh's "Good" whenever Sheridan says he doesn't understand Vorlons. Great start to the season. This is the first season purely by J.M.S. so I am looking forward to this

CGI has been improving steadily since season 1, this space battle actually looks kinda real, not like a PlayStation game anymore, so that's nice.

British guy! He's on the season header so I guess this is a new main cast member.

Hey, they gave Ivanova the season opener voiceover. welcome to 2260, the year of the Shadow War!

Yup there's Marcus Cole right up front in the intro credits. No Na'Toth though, I was hoping she'd be back with the original actress.

God Garibaldi's hair is worse than ever. New medbay set, wonder whether something happened to the old one, or if they just needed to spruce it up for all the inevitable scenes here once the SHADOW WAR begins. It was one of the worst sets, to be fair.

Let me guess, he's one of the Rangers?

Ahhh Londo. That's not how this kind of thing works. You have to know how hopeless this is, your race is locked in to this alliance now.

poo poo. Earth Alliance knows about the Shadows finally. Lol jk they just saw the vid.

I like Londo's justification for drinking 24/7, it being a duty. I should try that one on my boss. Centauri Dreams have been shown to be A Thing so that's not good.

This is some LOTR poo poo right here, I take it JMS is a fan. Cloaked rangers, special blood soaked jewelry.. the alliance of elves and man.

and now there's a loving barbarian in the down below they have to fight lmao

It feels like they're going to need a lot more than whatever the hell the rangers are good at to fight "thousands" of shadow ships.

Oh my God Garibaldi give up that strip of hair, it's ridiculous.

Ahh why is Sheridan personally flying this mission

Yup of course they don't specifically need Londo to maintain their ties to the Centauri.

Ohhh poo poo Zagro 7.

Whoa The White Star! Sick.

Ok I'm a big fan of Garibaldi's explanation for not knowing where the Captain is.

The White Star uses Vorlon technology! With artificial gravity! And disgusting looking denture bridge consoles!

At least the existence of this ship somewhat negates the problem of why Sheridan had to fly this mission.

G'Quan! Thousand year old religious scripture! The Shadows visiting the Narn world back in what I would guess are pre-technology days. Fascinating.

A little backstory for Aragorn here, not bad.

Not sure Ivanova makes the most sense to man this alien weapons system she was just shown.

Ohhhhh gently caress the Shadows.. not good. They knew they were going in to battle, so again questioning putting Sheridan in charge without full knowledge of the ship.

gently caress yes Sheridan's plan to open a jump up in the jump gate. Sick!!!!!

Earth Dome!

Oh gently caress Morden working with the humans. Psi cop saying "speed up the program here at home".. what is going on.

Also, yet another set on Babylon 5 that wasn't shown before.


I have literally used Garibaldiís line about not telling himself things at work before

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

I want to say the original was fiberglass but I canít find any evidence of that with a quick search. In any case you could (relatively) easily make something vacuform or even warbla foam. The glossy finish might be tough on warbla though.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Ayin posted:

Man, if my old tapes still work... and if I knew someone who knew how to transfer VHS to digital...

(my dad & I taped the whole show except one episode, including movies, off tv as it aired, it was a fantastic choice)

I got a decent Sony VHS in good shape off eBay and a digital recorder off amazon for a grand total of $60. The recorder even has an LCD so I donít have to hook it up to a TV.

Most of our recordings arenít first run though, my dad taped the reruns.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Midjack posted:

Got a link to the recorder from Amazon?

Yes. But first let me say that I am an idiot and have poor long term memory or something, because the recorder is a lot more than I remembered. I was probably thinking of a cable that would allow me to connect the VHS to my Mac, and that was $30, not the one I ultimately bought. So I was off by a factor of 4.

Regardless, if you are interested, it does do a fantastic job.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V9JNRZY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

If I can pipe in with one last thought on the movies, I'm not sure how a contextless optimized watch order for them could be considered a spoiler, any more than an optimized episode order is. If I'm watching something serialized I always appreciate a guide, like when we were going through Stargate my wife found an optimized watchlist that maximized the number of SG-1 and Atlantis episodes we could watch, without spoilers, sequentially rather than just going back and forth between the shows, and I found that really helpful and enjoyable. I guess you could say, if you're paranoid to an unhealthy degree, that led us to know that e.g. season 9 episode 1 ended a multi-part episode or had something referred to in the next episode of the other show. But that's a little extreme.

On the other hand, some people don't even look up future episode titles, so best to err on the side of caution. IMO the "blind watch" should be as close to the pure 1st time viewing experience as possible.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Qwertycoatl posted:

It came up in S1 that she doesn't care about dietary laws

I knew a professor of biblical studies who was Jewish and we went out to lunch. I asked about the dietary restrictions, which he told me about while ordering a cheeseburger (dairy on beef is a no no). so yeah, there's a wide difference between faith and orthodoxy.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Antifa Poltergeist posted:

Have one jump gate in front of another that leads directly into the first so that you have a jumpgate ouroboros

Now you're thinking with portals.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

*warble warble* ~interesting~ *warble warble*

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

BLIND. WATCH. THREAD. MOTHAFUCKAS!

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Sad King Billy posted:

I'm talking about an episode you've seen, season 2.

I've seen them all several times, and I didn't point that at you only. Just reminding. Still, there could be people still on S1, which is why the episode thoughts are spoilered as well.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

ikanreed posted:

I sense the rule has been that you should spoiler tag it with episode number if it's about an already watched episode, not even spoiler tags are good enough for unwatched content. and don't overfocus on already discussed things that might hint at relevance.

And since I just caught up with the thread

S3e10

When I was a kid I thought delenn's "he is behind me, you are in front of me, if you value your lives be somewhere else" was one of the most badass moments I'd ever seen, and I was disappointed that the_doctor didn't pick it for his quote


Made all the better by Mira Furlan's delivery where you can hear the barely controlled fury. When strong words like that come out of the quiet and calm characters, it's always badass.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

No you didn't miss a post but yes, she has passed and the light is a little bit dimmer. She was a lovely person from everything I've read.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mira-furlan-dead-babylon-5-lost-1234890117/

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

The_Doctor posted:

TNG got blu-rays by CBS re-editing the episodes together from the 35mm film dailies, so now it looks gorgeous. It was expensive to do, and the blu-rays didn't sell nearly as well as they wanted, so they didn't even break even.

Yeah, and now you can see details that were obviously never foreseen for people to be able to be read.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

That episode was what turned the series from great to amazing for me.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

oh yeah? Well UP YOURS

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Empress Brosephine posted:


I listened to the first two episodes of that goons podcast, it seems good but I think there was a spoiler or two right away in the first two episodes that you eventually go to babylon 4 and that someone in the crew is going to turn on everybody kinda pissed if those are true but oh well.

Thanks for reading.

Oh yeah, how crazy is it that I want to buy the DVDs and watch this on my ps2 connected to a crt. Bad idea or great idea?

Yeah, avoid guides and podcasts until you are done. It's hard to talk about the show without spoilers if you have already seen it. As far as your idea goes, it's a neat one, but really you won't get anything special over watching good version on streaming. Maybe the 2nd time through if you really want to get that 90s experience.


Psycho Landlord posted:

I am watching this show for the 2nd time decades later with my SO who has never seen it before and we have both decided that....

You should join us in the other thread and let the first timers watch without any expectations.

NEW WATCHERS DO NOT GO HERE UNTIL YOU ARE COMPLETELY DONE WITH A FIRST WATCH https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3785889

Doctor Zero fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Mar 8, 2021

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

ultrafilter posted:

Earlier in the thread there's a recommended order for season 1. It doesn't really matter whether you watch that or follow the list on the Lurker's Guide.

The Lurkers Guide is chock full of spoilers. Donít go there until you are done. You might click something and then BAM spoilers in your face.

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Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Mr. Norton goes BANG straight to the moon

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