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Aug 18, 2003

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Heck yes! I bought season 1 a few weeks ago as something to watch during the lockdown and I have watched The Gathering and the first episode and already it is very intriguing. I am going to try to keep up with everyone in the thread because I am also blind watching and have only ever heard great things :D

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Aug 18, 2003

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Just sat down and watching 1x2 - Soul Hunter now!

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1-2 finished!
w Morgan shepherd was pretty awesome in this and goodness what an interesting kind of alien.

I was really intrigued by his mentioning of Delenn being a Satai? (Not sure the correct word) but from her introduction I have had that bit of dialogue from the first episode about how the minbari just stopped the war with humanity and why that was.

It feels like an episode that any other series would treat as a monster of the week episode but in fact is laying down ground work for something bigger!

No idea what but that is why I am watching.

I do like the new doctor too!

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1-3 Born to the Purple


Can I just say that I have seen some of the title names for the episodes and they are great. They have a sort of old skool scifi feel to them.

This one was even better. Londo is a really interesting character. I am not quite sure what to make of him. I absolutely buy his feelings for Adira and hers for him despite what she did. That final wave at her as his expression changes to sadness and loss is excellent acting.

I also liked seeing Sinclair be a bit devious (leading to that wonderful moment with g-Kar. G-kar’s little “oh you” grin when Sinclair complimented him made me grin.

I think so far I most enjoy the back and forth between Londo and G-Kar and wish to see more of them. They act like Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon in the odd couple and while they feel like arch enemies there is also a kind of playful respect and friendship. It is great!

Something else I like is that despite having a big cast they only show the people necessary. The episodes are dense and too often in big ensembles you have to show every character even if they are not doing things. This feels more tightened.

The Garabaldi and ianova sub story was also very touching.

I think I have enough time for two more episodes tonight!

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1-4 Infection


The episode felt pretty standard to me for most of it (alien tech going awry due to capitalist greed) but despite this, the way Babylon 5 has approached it feels fresh which I suspect is due to the strength of the writing for the characters.

It was the last few minutes, however, where it really shone. When Sinclair was fighting the man weapon, everything he was saying was mesmerising. Michael o'Hare was an acting powerhouse in that scene and even though he was the main star I was still on the edge of my seat. Plus I thought it strange how yet again he was going up against an enemy despite being the guy in charge 'surely there are other departments for that.'

It was then the moment with Garibaldi that put a beautiful capstone on it. Him actually voicing my thoughts and the writing being so real as to not really have a proper resolution to what Garibaldi said. That we as the audience knew he was acting against himself but having a friend bring it to light is not the kind of thing that just fixes it.

Then Sinclairs final words about what we would lose if we did not reach the stars. Honestly, that retroactively lifted the whole episode for me and if the show is made up of these moments as I am lead to believe, then I am surely in for an incredible treat!


There is another thread I was directed to and the lovely people directed me back here for fear of spoilers so I will remain here having fun :)

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Pick posted:

This wasn't something I really noticed until my most recent re-watch but I think it's huge. If a character is there it's because that character should be there for that plot. It's okay if they're not in an episode. They have other poo poo to do and it's ok for an episode to not shoehorn everyone into every thing. It feels far more natural and credible and means characters are rarely (if ever!) "out of character".

It suddenly occurred to me mid-episode 2 when I realised I had not seen G-Kar or Londo and even though I missed them, I appreciated that a big station would have a lot going on and not everybody magically needs to be involved in everything. I have not seen many shows do that.

Also I began using a pen and paper to note things down rather than trying to remember at the end and I think that so far Parliament of Dreams is my favourite for a number of reasons.

1-5 Parliament of Dreams

This opening was amazing and I could not help but crease at:
"This is Ambassador G'Kar's quarters. This is Ambassador G'Kar's table. This is Ambassador G'Kar's dinner. Which part of this progression escapes you?"

Like Londo I am not sure how I am supposed to feel about G-Kar and that is a great thing. All too often aliens races in fiction are good or bad with the outliers being the ones that we focus our tales upon but that is not the portrayal we get here.

Born to the Purple and this episode show that all our ambassadors are multi-layered, Londo, G-Kar and Delenn having quite large secrets they do not want others to know would normally signify that we cannot trust them but this is not how we feel because we have seen enough of them to know that they are not easily defined in such terms as good and bad.

I like that there are obviously large backstories informing the actions of people here and excited that I am going to experience it! For example I have not forgotten that one of the Babylon stations just vanished for no reason. I love stories that involve something huge of that nature and am hoping that it does get expanded upon in the future!

Having the setting be each culture's religious ceremonies was great for a multitude of reason, mostly because of how appropriate they feel to the characters we have seen. The Centauri ceremony looks jolly and raucous but I cannot help but feel there is also an underlying insecurity there which marries up with what I have seen so far of Londo.

Also he was just as funny as G-Kar in that whole scene and a joy. I am not sure yet who I would call my favourite between him and G-Kar but they are both front runners.

I had been reading the pronounciation of Lennier's voice all wrong! And his scene with Delenn opened up more questions! She is definitely the most intriguing especially, if I remember correctly from episode 1 (? please correct me), the Minbari just stopped fighting against the Humans during their big war.

Na-toth is ace. Seriously ace.

I really liked the big bug too. It could have been goofy but the set, the lighting and the way G-Kar act made it believable.

Finally that very last scene with Sinclair showing all of Earth's religions was beautiful. If that is not an inspiring and uplifting bit of TV then I do not know what is. I really needed that and I am willing to bet that the clothes of everyone not introduced was wearing was just as accurate as those we learned the names of. I get that feeling about this show; that it cares about details even if not everyone will pick them up.


I am going to try to watch another two today :)

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Aug 18, 2003

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^^ :) Excited!

I think my own excitement is bolstered by your guys excitement!

head58 posted:

You’re blowing through these at a fair clip but if you’re looking for some companion media I will not so humbly invite you to listen to my podcast “The Name of the Pod.” We do episode by episode but don’t do synopses, more looking at the themes of the show and why it is one of the most important programs in shaping what genre (and non genre) tv is today. We watched and loved the show in the 90s but don’t do spoilers, so you’re safe.

We’re recording our penultimate episode tonight, looking at the Lost Tales dvd from 2008. Then a series wrap up in a couple weeks.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-name-of-the-pod-a-babylon-5-podcast/id1244239639

https://www.ilinxilinx.com/nameofthepod

While I am at work I am going to start listening to this :D iTunes does not have the first few so I am using the website - this will tide me over until I can actually watch a bit more!

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Pick posted:

*tears hair out* m-maybe



VideoGames posted:

While I am at work I am going to start listening to this :D iTunes does not have the first few so I am using the website - this will tide me over until I can actually watch a bit more!



Ha, it is ok. I just heard on the podcast the guys say "When we get to the episode where we see Babylon 4..." so for the moment I am not listening to the podcast until I have finished the show! I will say I am quite pumped for it!

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Just watched Mind War and The War Prayer!

1-6 Mind War

Best episode of the series so far and probably the richest one in terms of character and story!

Walter Koenig as Bester is a real treat :D Also am I reading too much into it, or is he called Bester due to Alfred Bester?
(I liked the way Ironheart pronounced Seratonin.)

Learning more to the way telepaths work was very welcome but the idea of a telepath police force frightened me as soon as they mentioned it. That Ironheart commented about the psi corps taking over the government was chilling and also the eventuality that my mind had conjured. Who could feasibly stop them if level 12s are as powerful as they claim.

Also the idea about using telekenesis to stop an artery was equally as chilling.*

I liked that Ironheart evolved fully and it feels very old school scifi that he turned into a being of pure light and transcendance. I always liked that idea as a future for humanity when I had read it in the past.

The G-Kar subplot was absolutely ace. His message at the end about ants was gorgeous and yet again poetic about the nature of being. He is such a great written character and it was excellent to see him interacting with Sakai who is essentialy a tertiary character. Again it really adds to the feel of the station that not everything is contained to the main group.


1-7 The War Prayer

Written by DC Fontana!

This had quite a few good moments!

Kosh appearing again was welcome. I had completely forgotten about them because the Gathering was the last time we saw them. I wonder what they have been ip to all this time.

Also tying in the absence of Ben Kyle and Lyta Alexander with their having seen a vorlon was awesome. I am not sure if planned or just excellent writing to explain but I really dug it.

I was originally confused as to why G-Kar was being so eager to incite riots when I remembered his great lines from the previous episode about saving Sakai because it helped him by keeping Sinclair happy and wondered what his bringing down the command structure of Babylon 5 would do for him this episode, but I assume he must have had a good plan.

Londo was the real heart here and I feel like his immediate dismissal was due to him still smarting due to his earlier heartbreak in Born to Purple. I do utterly love his little tale to Vir about his father saying his shoes were too tight. It is such a simple thing but conveyed so tremendously.

This episode also felt extremely apt for watching it in this wild year. I am glad Sinclair got the better on the idiot humans but I foresee them appearing again in some fashion.

All the while when Sinclair was pretending to be sympathetic to the bad humans, I was worried and hoping he would go over to Delenn and reassure her! Haha, I was genuinely concerned for their friendship!


I may get a chance to watch another tonight, but I will definitely have some more time tomorrow. I have already purchased season 2 in preparation because having others at the same level I am is really good at pushing me onwards :D


* spoiler for tv show misfits

Reminds me of the finale of season 2 where everyone had been making fun of a guy whose super power was controlling 'milk' and he made it terrifying by doing such things as controlling the milk in someone's body and making it climb through their blood vessels, go up their spine and render them braindead.

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I am in the UK and luckily iTunes uk has all 5 seasons available to buy for £15 each. I own 1 and 2 so far and the order looks like the aired order to me. I would have to do a double check.

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TheAardvark posted:

Also, as much as I wanted to let them catch up, I am pretty hooked on this show and I don't think I'm going to be able to hold out knowing I have over a hundred episodes left to watch.

Please continue. This is your thread and I am just tagging along! You sipping ahead will help me catch up too!

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I am just skipping to the end briefly (I have made a mark where I am up to with the thread) to let you all know I have been able to resume watching this show and am on a high from And the Sky Full Of Stars.

This is my favourite episode so far.


If there is one thing I love in stories it is murky backstory teased out slowly. Doubly so if it comes with huge questions that give the impression of being interesting.

What happened to Sinclair is partially revealed. Delenn being there was something I wondered about because so far he has been most friendly to her compared to the other ambassadors. In fact he gets her a gift and they have a little spot they like to relax. I wondered if she is not an ambassador as such but more a watcher making sure he does not reveal whatever happened.

This confirmed it but still teased why the Minbari surrendered! I want to know! Haha I love the feeling of needing to know something in fiction I am invested in.

O’Hare acted his heart out a ton in this and I loved that shot of half his face covered in darkness while he recalled what happened.

Also I thought it was awesome that the dude from Wrath of Kahn got some more work after accidentally getting himself uncredited from that film!

The newspaper saying the psi corps might have overstepped bounds made me smile. No doubt they already chose everything but wanted to give some semblance that they are answerable to authority so I bet it was staged!

All in all the kind of slow burning major plot reveal kind of episode that I want more of! Give me these kinds of tendrils please! :D


Going to try to watch another (and return to my place in the thread five pages back)!

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Ok just watched Deathwalker and that was pretty decent too.


I do like the ethics and morals kinds of stories but in this one it seemed very clear cut that there was no grey area on Deathwalker. What she did was awful and what they were fighting for was also awful.

It was kind of neat that the Vorlons came along and blew her ship up. I had suspected something would happen to prevent immortality being a thing and it made me laugh that we had gone a ton of episodes without seeing Kosh for him to be doing two sneaky things at once. When Garibaldi said Kosh has been a busy boy that was exactly my thoughts!

The vcr race is a super idea. The makeup was also really neat for him. the sinister reason that Kosh was negotiating was also extremely intriguing. Josh wanting leverage over Talia makes me wonder what he is up to.

I enjoy all these mysterious plot lines for each of the ambassadors and am greatly enjoying the layering upon layering of the storylines.

That final speech from the Deathwalker to Sinclair was fantastic. That she still got one last screw you to all those who hated her by requiring her immortality work at the hands of another life is harrowing. Also the fact that you know those races and the Earth alliance would not have cared and would easily have put it into play.


Solid episode! I want more but sadly it is bed time for me now. I will catch up with everyone ! :)

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1-10 Believers

Again, all my episode recaps are me jumping forward to post, then jumping back to 'read along with the thread' so I am excited to get back to everyone and also read any info about what I have posted when I get to my posts (if that makes sense).


OK this one Lady VG was sat with me watching it. She and I have a dynamic by which our presence elevates anything we watch because the pair of us make unwitting noises and comments, which when I am alone go into the ether, but when we are together amp us up.

She and I were getting so riled up by this episode and I know stuff like religious wishes vs medical wishes has been done a lot since 1994, but I feel like if I had watched this at the time it would have been even more mind blowing than it was.

She and I were going "No! He will die!" and "No Franklin! You might start a diplomatic war!" and other such things. We really got into it and when it dawned on us what the parents were going to do, it really struck us.

Babylon 5 is so much more grounded and realistic than other shows of this nature. I think when the casual public say they want gritty tv and films, they are talking about an episode like this. There was not one easy decision or a definitively good stance. Dr. Franklin is right to save lives no matter the cost. Sinclair is right to take the side of the parents in order to help peace. The parents are right to their alien belief system because they are their own people and humans do not get to dictate what they are over everyone else. There was no winning here.

There was simply a conflict and a resolution and it was what it was. I like the fact that the show chose to make everything about this a struggle. I really cannot think of many other shows in the early 90s that would have ended with the child being sacrificed like that.

Seeing the ambassadors act the way they did all felt so very true to their characters. In fact, nobody here felt as though they were acting out of what their characters would do. I believe their actions with how they have been portrayed up till now.

It was more interesting and better written than a lot of other shows I have seen tackle this kind of episode.

That last shot of Franklin was a heart breaker too! Biggs totally acted his heart out and learning that he did all this stuff while deaf just makes me appreciate him even more.


So far I am most enjoying the fact that even the more bottle like episodes have got originality and something to say rather than just being filler.

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I have watched 3 episodes! So 3 separate little write-ups!

1-11 Survivors


This episode was a pretty nice delve into the character of Garibaldi. (Though the one directly after sort of ruined part of this for me and more on that in that episode). I always wondered what caused him to be at Babylon 5. Like almost every character we have seen (I am missing Vir) they seem to have a ton of layers that the show is letting us see very deliberately and slowly.

I dig this so much. I did not realize how much I would enjoy a slow burn show until I began this. It feels more like a novel with it teasing things now and then but the promise of payoff is there. I trust that the show is going to reveal things that I want answers to, and I also believe that it will be worth it.

Garibaldi's past makes sense. His struggle with alcoholism has a nice backstory but I wish the threat of returning to the bottle had been more pronounced with the actual moment it happen given more gravitas. Maybe because I lost a family member to alcohol and have a slightly clouded view, but being sober for all those years and it go then him realizing the errors seemed a bit fast but the goodwill I have is overflowing, and I still felt sad that he did regress.

Lianna was very over eager to take control of the station and both Lady VG and I were scoffing at her a little. We also had bets as to who framed Garibaldi and luckily I was right. I thought it might be her second in command as a nice parallel to Garibaldi being Sinclair's second in command. (Is he? Or is it Ivanova? I must confess I might have elevated Garibaldi's importance due to Ivanaova not being in the original episode).


Overall it was a nice little mystery episode and a nice bit of character fleshing out.

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1-12 By Any Means Necessary


Holy moly did this episode feel perfect for these troubled times.

As soon as the dockworkers laid out their conditions I hoped among hopes that it would portray them as the good guys because none of what they wanted was unreasonable. Goodness I think their work conditions might be worse than a lot of places nowadays?

They had all the leverage too. The way Oren Bento came at them was ridiculous. They asked for more pay, a bit more rest and working equipment. Goodness that is nothing! and the earth council could not even provide this? It makes me wonder about how earth is run, what the general nature of humanity outside of Babylon5 is like. If he was their top negotiator then what is going on? He did not even concede a thing. Just told them to take the same stuff they were protesting then hold up his hands and shout "Welp! Get the cops!" Odious dude!

That we only see Humanity via the people traveling and our main characters causes Humans to be an alien race in their own way. We have no home world we can associate them with and as such no frame of reference for the current culture and how it is set up. These conditions, along with a perforce controlling things, make me wonder if Earth is a dystopia so far removed from the kind of enlightened earth we would usually see in a space faring tv program like this.

The side plot with Londo and G'Kar was utterly wonderful. The pair of them truly are the shining stars of the program and every interaction between the two of them is perfection. I have to applaud the casting team because they struck gold. Lady VG and I were in stitches with how smug Londo was when G'Kar was pleading with Londo, especially after being so helpful with his unlocked quarters :D

I LOVE that Londo brought up Ragesh again too! I had not forgotten that and always felt awful for the Centauri for that whole ordeal. I actually wanted Londo to get a taste of revenge for it.

Sinclair was a gem throughout the episode too. He got more and more haggard as it went on, and I am SO glad he gave the win to the dock workers. I could not love his character more. I was worried that as it was 94 it would be more like the climate where such things were not as big a deal in the public eye and the strike would just get squashed with some loss of life on the dock workers side.

That they won made me beam :D Plus the way he settled G'Kare and Londo was both inspiring and sentimental. I have a very soft spot for him. I am not usually a fan of the main, main character for ensemble tv shows. It is usually all the side characters that give me the most enjoyment, but Sinclair is great!

Not happy with Garibaldi though. I thought he would be on the dock workers side. What on earth was he doing going up against them? Anyone could see how bad the working condition were! It made the previous episode sympathies feel a little hollow.


All in all, a really decent episode with a great resolution and a hilarious subplot!

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1-13 Signs and Portents


Oooooh. I get the feeling I just watched something VERY important.

This episode had me hooked the whole time but before I go into it I just want to say I checked the date they said at the beginning 3rd of August 2258 is a Tuesday and not a Wednesday as they say :D Though I would LOVE if there was a reason it was a day off! Like perhaps, they thought someone would check and I have stumbled onto a clue or something!

Anyway, I am always up for a Londo episode. Currently, my three favourite characters are

1. Londo
2. Sinclair
3. G'Kar

It is not even a competition. Londo's dialect is so distinct and alien and full of such joy and sadness depending on the situation that he is showing up everyone else when he is on screen! I cannot get enough Londo.

I have just this moment finished this episode and there is so much going on in my head about it. So these thoughts are going to be all over the place:

The shadows prophecy coming true - what the heck was that black spiky thing? A ship made of shadow? Good lord that is scary. Something made of shadow would be able to hide perfectly in a region like space.

The box containing the eye was scorched and damaged and yet Borden had it in his possession despite never leaving the station? So it must have come from the wrecked ship but that was a jump away somewhere! Not even the jump gate that the station uses but a bespoke one!

Speaking of Borden, holy moly! Who is Borden? I love that question: What do you want? I love how it disarmed Londo and G'Kar, the two people likely to be thinking of themselves foremost but the two ambassadors that care about the bigger picture are not caught up in it.

Speaking of Kosh! Good lord what happened between him and Borden? That little line after their small dialogue that Kosh needs to get a suit repair was so throwaway but of course we audience got it :D Goodness I am such a fan of the fact this show trusts us to be paying attention and rewards us for doing so!

Borden was definitely avoiding Kosh which made me all the more intrigued.

That show of babylon 5 completely blowing up! Holy moly! Is this something that happens at the end of everything? We know that she was correct about the Shadows killing Kiro and the episode is titled Signs and Portents. I would say Babylon 5 exploding is a pretty calamitous situation if ever I heard one!

Londo talking about his race and the eye at the start was great but I really liked how even he knew that Kiro taking it for himself and trying a coup was a bad idea. Londo is very astute.

I wonder if it was only Londo who got what he wanted. I wonder if he even did get what he wanted. He got to remain Ambassador. I think that the small amount of power he has there means more to him than he might realise.



Good grief. That was great. I think it came at just the right time in the season too. Not that I was getting bored because I most certainly was not, but the restating of the fact that there is a definite story being told amongst all these moments in day to day life is welcome one to be sure :D

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Aug 18, 2003

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I am kind of taking a break from the internet (forums and discord and everything) but in this time I was able to watch a whole lot of episodes. I am about to start Series 2 episode 2 so I thought I would briefly come out of the break to type up all my thoughts! (I am just writing out my notes from the time even though some of the things I have said are changed by my watching of later episodes ;))

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1 - 14 TKO

I did not write much about this episode. It felt a little bit odd. To have a brutal fighting plot alongside a sitting shiva plot felt a bit incongruous.

I am still trying to think what the linking factor was between them. The idea of moving on? Or strength and how it affects us differently? Maybe there is not a link and that was the point? To just have two distinct events in our senior leadership team's life happen simultaneously. I know everything I go through on a daily basis does not link up with what Lady VG goes through.

I really, REALLY, liked that the Mutai fighters respected the rituals and were not snooty towards Walker (who was pretty charismatic). They abided by their customs and accepted him and everything once he followed the rules and gave him a fair shot. I really do appreciate when that happens.

Also Sinclair is a really good dude, suddenly authorising Ivanova having as much time off as she needs to get well. I like how much he cares. He is one of my favourite characters because he is a trusty dependable leader. I know he will either do the right thing or put himself in harms way to do the right thing.


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1-15 Grail

Kosh?!?! This is what I shouted when I saw that poor woman get her mind wiped! Holy moly!

And we have JF Sebastian, Master Control Program AND Bishop Brennan all in the same episode?! Holy moly what a treat! :D

The Baylon Curse had me glued to the screen. Especially the second mention of Babylon 4! It just wrinkled like putty and then disappeared! That sounds so weird. I cannot wait to find out more about it! I also like that David Warner said Jinxo was the wrong name and that he was actually lucky.

In fact David Warner absolutely nailed his role in this episode. It is the kind of role I have seen in other shows but he is such a prescence and so professional that he elevates it. He also got some killer dialogue when he talks about the Numbers adding up and especially:

"Yes, because you are a man of infinite promise and goodness."

"Oh, come off it!"

"The fact that you're still here on B5 is proof of that. You care so much that you stay here at the risk of your life.
You are a fine, good man, Thomas."

I liked learning more about the Minbari. Finding out there are two distinct halves to their society is interesting. I still want to know why they stopped fighting the humans. Maybe the religious caste outnumbers the warriors and they had a vote? Is the grey council all religious members? Is it the leadership of the Minbari?

Ah, Kosh was just a decoy. In a way I am a little disappointed. I have no idea what the Vorlons get up to at all, still. Though I laughed so much when Kosh was told "That makes people a little nervous" and they pause before saying "...Good."

I cannot wait to learning more about these guys!

I could see Thomas' taking David Warner's place from the beginning but it did not diminish my fun.


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1-16 Eyes


Jeffrey Combs! I love the kind of guests stars they get in this show! Always people top of the game :D

Is it a requirement that anyone with PSI abilities has to wear black gloves? I have noticed that all the agents seem to do that and I suppose it is an easier way to quickly identify them.

Colonel Ari Ben Zayn was such a great scenery chewing foil against the more calm and collected Sinclair! He launched himself at everything and it was phenomenal. His voice sounded so familiar to me though and I cannot place where I know him from. Even after the episode finished and I looked him up nothing leapt out at me.

I enjoyed the storyline in this one quite a bit. I expect Sinclair to get more people mad at him thanks to his settling of the Strike. I like the continuity a lot. Lady VG and I are watching a show she loves and wants me to experience and I am getting frustrated occasionally by it because each episode seems to reset itself. Babylon 5 is spoiling me in this regard.

Again, I love Sinclair standing up for his officers. Making sure that Ivanova did not have to undergo a scan no matter what was awesome. He is a lot more clever than people give him credit for!

Seeing Lennier and Garibaldi bond was really sweet too. A motorcycle in Babylon 5 seems a bit weird. Do the bits for it still exist after 258 years? It got me wondering about the history of earth in the show. I know that if I wanted something from 1762 (as an example) it would be pretty tough. I am guessing there has not been a big war to damage earth and lose items? At the moment I am filling things in with my own gleaned knowledge.

I do wonder what earth looks like in terms of living, government and society but I also feel it is not really important compared to the events happening on the station.

Garibaldi and Lennier zipping along on that bike was some amazing visuals :D I could not help but smile. Lennier is great. So many of these characters are just simply interesting.

Where is G'Kar? Feel like I have not seen him in a while.


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1 - 17 Legacies


I am always up for exploring the Minbari :D Out of all the races I am most interested in them and it stems completely from the fact that they were destroying Humanity and then stopped. What would cause such a thing?

It also helps that Delenn is a fantastic character. Able to go from serious and piercing to breezy and michevious without warning and in a way that does not feel like poor writing/acting. I would even wager she is probably the smartest person on the whole station. Definitely the most enlightened! Delenn's backstory with the grey council and Sinclair's missing hours are another hook I cannot stop thinking about as I watch it.

Neroon and the basic plot revealed a lot more about the war - but I am still chomping at the bit for more!! I was confused as to why Sinclair was blamed for Bramners body being stolen though. I could have sworn Neroon demanded his Minbari security force guard it. Did I miss a bit of dialogue? I actually thought it was going to be an inside job by him to start a new war! I was much more surprised that it was Delenn who took the body, and her explanation gave even more insight onto their culture. I am glad she got her way, especially as she was actually Branmners friend and knew what his wishes were. Neroon was not respecting them at all! It seems that the warrior caste is still wishing they could be fighting the war - but the way Sinclair and Neroon made up at the end was great. Sinclair knows what to say :D

The side plot with the PSI corps was quite intriguing too - especially with all the races trying to entice Alisa. We also learned that the Narn do not have any naturally occuring telepaths. I wonder why that is. Ivanova and Tahlia came very close to blows as well.

The word Chrysalis from within Delenn's mind also stands out to me. I wonder what it could be a reference to? Is it something to do with Sinclair's hole? Was he changed when aboard the minbari ship?

Na'toth is really excellent, but still no sign of G'Kar.


1-18/19 A Voice in the Wilderness


I am going to do this as a single collection.

It felt weird that this was a two parter. I think it could have been one single tight story. It also has a bit of an odd premise. In all these years the station has been active, and all the years prior including construction and searching for a place, that no one has properly scanned it or gone on the surface. However I still found myself

I am guessing no one expected Babylon 5 to survive based on what happened to the other 4! Maybe they just thought they would set up a temporary station hehe :D

Draal was another good Minbari character. (In fact I think they have all been thus far) and his third principal of sentient life about self sacrifice really touched me. I had a feeling he would be the person to replace the old alien in the machine based on his lament at needing a new path. I wonder how old Minbari can reach.

The bit with Garibaldi in the lift at the start was pretty weird and a bit creepy. I think he might be my least favourite character because of the way he is about people from the down below. He wanted to space them all!

Londo and Delenn were great again :D Londo in particular. I love whenever he drops his bravado and reveals a little about how insecure and unsatisfied he is. When we cut from the command centre asking who's piloting that thing and shows us it is Londo and he is having the time of his life just had me grinning.

Not to mention his story about him and his wife that he uses to cheer up Garibaldi. That whole scene is gold!

Ivanova bringing her russian heritage up is also great. I like her repetition about Boom (I think she has made mention of it in three episodes now).

I wonder what it means for the direction now that there is a drastically advanced mound of technology right below the station in an impenetrable planet. I believe it will probably come up again. It seems like a really big plot point that when the time is right it will be available, but what dictates that part?

And finally, when Garibaldi asks Delenn about why the three of them went down to the planet and she said that it was because if Sinclair had known about it, he would be in the heart of the machine. I absolutely believe that. Sinclair is so that kind of dude. He would have done it without a second thought!

(G'kar, where are you?)


OK. I will type up the rest of my notes in a little while. I will also be almost caught up with everyone else (only a few episodes behind!)

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OK! Part 2 of my writeup of my binge watch.
Thank you for enlightening me on the age of an average Minbari and the bit about telepaths :)

1-20 Babylon Squared


EEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Holy moly. Already? We are finding out about Babylon 4 this soon? I thought it would be one of the biggest hooks of the show!

This episode was fantastic in all ways and every way. I would even go so far as to say it is the A+ best episode of the first season (though Chrysalis is a very close contender). There was so much cool sci-fi going on in this episode and questions galore being raised with no answers!

The opening made Lady VG and I laugh a lot. I enjoy the fact that Sinclair is not always super serious and can goof around.

Babylon 4 looks awesome. Is it bigger? It looks it. It is also a different design and green! I would love to see what the other three looked like. Were they all tailored based stations? I never really thought about them looking different. I sort of expected it to be the same as B5 but with a 4 on the end instead. The spikes around the mid make it look a lot 'angrier' than B5.

I feel really sorry for all those people aboard - having random time skips. Sinclair's jump ahead also felt quite important but I am not 100% sure why. I wonder what is happening there. It looked like B5's down below but I could not be certain.

Zathras is a pretty great character and I am enamoured with his odd speech pattern. He was another mysterious character and what on earth kind of race could just take a space station from one time and move it to another? I think Babylon 4 must be bigger than Babylon 5 if this race has decided to take 4 instead.

I suspected that a future Sinclair was inside that spacesuit when Zathras said he was willing to sacrifice himself for others. That is the same thing Delenn said about Sinclair in the episode previous. AND again Sinclair did so when Zathras was trapped under that pole, he stayed to try and help. Sinclair is a very good dude! That reveal at the end of old battered Sinclair talking about trying to warn of an oncoming war and them not listening was actually quite sad. I wonder why he could not just tell his past self then and there.

Is it because time is fixed in the Babylon 5 universe? I say fixed in that the prophecy that the Centauri lady had all those episodes ago came absolutely true and there are many prophecies floating around which I expect will probably get expanded upon.

It also sounded like Delenn's voice to future Sinclair too. I am glad that whatever happened they are still friends. It also must be after whatever happened in that future fight scene where he had to leave Garibaldi because he looked way older in the spacesuit reveal scene.

Up to this episode I was not sure what the overarching story of the show was going to be. I thought it might be to do with the mystery of Babylons 1-4 - seems weird that all got destroyed and only the fifth one survived. I thought maybe it would be something to do with a simmering tension between the Centauri wanting to be respected and the head of the universe and sabotage had come into play. That there might be a cold war of sorts between the governments and battling over tech and resources to be number one.

This episode put an end to that. My current thought is that there is going to be some war in the future and it probably has something to do with Morden (got it right this time!) and that weird vessel that obliterated the Centauri who was foreseen to have died in the shadows. However I know there are four seasons to go so it obviously cannot be that simple and I do not expect it to be! I wonder if that weird vessel is going to try to get the tech from the planet beneath B5? Or maybe they are part of the race that made the tech and have similar stuff onboard the ship. They certainly have some strong power to just take out that Centauri ship so fast.

I also really liked Delenn's visit the to grey council. What is this prophecy that could end a war? It must be huge. Maybe Sinclair is the one who can lead an alliance and stop that weird vessel? Maybe he has to sacrifice himself to do so at the right time? I have not got the foggiest.

It is a shame she is off the grey council but she always struck me as a sort of trailblazer. The little trophy she got seemed familiar. I cannot quite place it. Have we seen it before?

Finally the last lines of the episode:

"Did the flying dutchman ever reach home?"
"No."

Wonderful capstone to a great episode. Will Babylon4 be ok jumping to Zathras' year? No idea. Maybe future Sinclair is stuck out on it and was trying to help but trapped in an anomaly? I only ever have more questions as per usual.


1-21 Quality of Mercy


After the previous high I am fine with a more down to earth and subdued episode. This was certainly much more self contained and had two very good story lines. The healing machine/serial killer plot was acted out well allround. As soon as I saw Boggs Diamond in the dock I assumed whatever he did must have been pretty bad, which is a shame as Mark Colston is a good actor and I feel bad he always seems to be playing the worst guys even though he does it so well!

I suspected that the machine would give some of the life force of the donor to the recipent but would never have guessed it was a capital punishment machine. That was a very cool reveal. Doctor's Rosen's response to using it to stop Mueller was also fantastic writing:

"I did the necessary thing which is not always the right thing." Man that was a cracking bit of dialogue about the nature of human life and whether we are correct to take it. I have really grown to look forward to B5 examining morality and grey issues through the lens of its ambassadors and it is great to have one of the human characters do it too. She definitely saved more lives than if she had not done so, but it was still taking a human life and via a doctor so her wrestling with it makes sense and I am glad time was devoted to going over it. Actively taking a life is a big big deal.

I was also very happy to see Ivanova want to help Franklin with his free clinic. I was so worried she was going to put and end to it, then I remember that is only something Garibaldi would do.

The biggest highlight of the episode was getting to see Londo and Lennier bond! Goodness those two make a superb pair. Londo definitely underestimated Lennier (is he a warrior caste who has switched to the religious caste? Or are Minbari just super buff battlers who could take on everyone? At least this would explain why Earth and Humanity was getting absolutely kicked by them!)

They played off each other fantastically and he was a joy to watch them interact in Londo's favourite haunts.

I will admit to being surprised to see that same 'feeder sucker' come from Londo's clothes to cheat at cards. Even more surprised to then find out that he was cheating with his penis! Good grief! Haha

I wonder if we will see Lennier (or any Minbari) drink alcohol and get into a rage? If Lennier could take down that table while sober and in control then I would worry for the destruction a psychotic Minbari could wreak! It certainly fits his character that he would cover for Londo at the end too. He is a good guy. I do not think him naive though, I think of him as more accepting and good natured.


1-22 Chrysalis


Goodness this was a properly packed, dense and layered episode. It was kind of weird this was only 40 odd minutes as it felt longer! So much happened in here, so much change, so much story propelling that I was so glad I had already bought season 2. To end the first season with something as in universe changing as this is my complete jam.

We have a dead president of earth.
We have Delenn becoming a coccoon.
We have a whole Narn base wiped clean from existence.
We have Londo partnering up with Morden and his mysterious invisibility predators and owing them a favour.
We have Garibaldi nearly dead.
We have Kosh being cryptic.
We have Sinclair proposing marriage.

Goodness. What is going to happen on earth? Is it going to become more warfare like now? If I recall president Santiago believed in the Babylon project more than others so with him out of the way will the station be affected?

What is happening to Delenn? I do not think she mentioned what, just that it was something Kosh gave her the go ahead on. Also I kept willing Sinclair to go and talk to her! I want to find out about those missing hours and she said she would tell him but he got there too late! Noooo! I need to know! hahah.

That Narn base being wiped out by Morden and his stange vessel is not good news. That whole bit made me worried for future relations between Narn and Centauri (already strained). Londo seemed genuinely regretful about it, but it was too late. If he had cared more about how he got the Eye perhaps he would have realised Morden probably meant a much more serious way of stopping the Narn outpost. Now I feel bad for hoping Londo got a bit of revenge. I did not want him to have effectively sold his soul. Alas, when plotting revenge it is best to dig 2 graves.

G'Kar (finally! He is back after an eight episode absence!) sold every moment he was in. The smugness at the start, the despair after learning of the loss, the resolve upon realising there was something else out there and the determination on his little video to Na'toth. G'Kar needs to be in more please!

Garibaldi seems like he brought this on himself. Why could he not just shout into his communicator to Sinclair that there was a plot. The last guy who died in his arms died before he could give it up. How could Garibaldi trust anyone in that situation. Very odd. I wish he was not so much of a cop all the time.

Kosh saying yes to Delenn and nothing else. What on earth is this about? I honestly hope we have way more Kosh next season. Or maybe it is because they are being so coy with them that I want more and learning too much will ruin the mystery. It is a tough tightrope walk to juggle something like that.

"And so it begins."


It feels like a ton of time has passed on the ship between the first episode and this one. Even though I binge watched a couple of times, it really does feel as though a lot of life and story has happened rather than a load of events which could all happen over the course of a few weeks that other shows often unfortunately give off. The station has grown and changed and our understanding with it. Real growth and development that feels earned and represented. I have come to really respect this show. I had always heard about the writing as being the strength and the fact that it had a full idea for a start to finish.

One of the things I feel about most TV shows is that there is usually an idea for a season or two, but nothing concrete for an end point in case they get too famous. So almost every tv show runs out of steam and ends unsatisfactorily. I could probably could on one hand the amount of shows I think have great endings that thematically work with everything we have seen before. I also think 4 to 5 years is probably the best length of time for most shows to last. 22 episodes times 5 is a lot of TV to try to remain consistent and not emphasize characters traits over the expense of story. It is truly tough so four to five years gives you more than enough time to explore and hopefully end satisfactorily.

Knowing this is a show with a definite end to reach that has been designed from the get go enhances my enjoyment considerably. I like that I am going to get questions answered rather than lose out information because of a bad ratings cancellation, or some meddling exec changing it up midway or something similar.

Season one alone has really earned the show a high place in my favourite tv of all time and upon learning that most people think the show is strongest past this does make my hype meter rise, but tempered because I try to remain even about it :)

Finally character rankings! I saw others do it, so I am going to as well. This is at the end of Season 1.

(I have watched Season 2 episode 1 and I think I am going to wait until I have seen two more to write about Season 2.)

I will spoiler my ranking in order not to influence any other blind watchers.


1. Londo Mollari
2. Jeffrey Sinclair
3. Delenn
4. G'Kar
5. Lennier

6. Na'toth
6. Vir Cotto

7. Dr Franklin
7. Susan Ivanova

8. Tahlia Winters
9. Michael Garibaldi

Londo stands head and shoulders above all other actors and it does not feel like a competition to me. He embodies his character in every look, every syllable, every movement. I want to know everything about him, I feel for him, I laugh with him and I get sad with him. He truly is the star that is shining brightest. Where he goes from here? I have no idea. I wonder if he will get in too deep with Morden and just keep going. I wonder if he will tell G'kar what happened. I wonder if he will get a redemption of sorts - this I do not mind because the show does not seem to be one where there have easy fixes to bad choices. Consequences matter as do the paths they walk down. I just know I want more Londo!

Sinclair. This one hurts because I have seen the first episode of season two and I was confused and Lady VG looked it up for me. (She is really good at doing stuff like that). I loved the cadence of his voice a lot, he always seemed commanding and respectful at the same time. I loved how he put others first and it was shown constantly. Sinclair was a really good man. I now have no idea how that bit of Babylon Squared fits into the story anymore. It bums me out a ton. :( There was so much I wanted to know and I just hope it gets revealed.

Delenn is very mischevious and I now get the feeling she is looking at a bigger picture the likes of only Kosh can see. She seems very open and enlightened but much like her race, she has two distinct sides working alongside each other. Delenn is no pushover and not in any way one that could be taken advantage of. I like her and Sinclair's relationship because she knows the truth and he does not and having it colour their interactions for the audience always made me eager to see how she contained it.


OK! Another long long post. I will be back with more soon enough because as they say, it begins. :)

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TheAardvark posted:

I know I'm pushing ahead of the other blind watchers but I really want to watch this show. Let me know if you would prefer I not and I'll save my notes and post them later, but drat it I am watching this show! It's so good! I need a distraction!

Please keep going. As I said, this is your thread and I am tagging along. My method is to write my long post, read up to where you and The_Doctor are, see what similar things we thought, mark thread read to that point and watch some more.

Occasionally I forgot that I posted after you and have come to a long spoiler post, read it for some information and then gone 'oh, I wrote that' but my little system is working fine for me and I like having things to reach ahead of me. :) Speaking of which I am about to watch 2x04 (possibly today) but have another three write ups that I want to post at some point too. Maybe if I reach you all I will do single ones again, but the show is so good that it is tough to just watch one episode.

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