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Ok, if Uwe Boll is making the cut I'm gonna another poser entry I don't think anyone else would put up. This one's actually iffy. Really I think they're more fitting for the jungle primary with 3 legitimate films. But it seems like we're counting anthology segments for other directors and even though Synchronic doesn't appear to have been distributed yet it does exist. So I dunno. I leave it to Shrek and the other small councilors to make the call. As I said Jungle Primary feels more appropriate to me but if you need a spot filler I think they can make the cut. Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead 1) Resolution (2012) 2) Spring (2014) 3) The Endless (2017) *4) V/H/S: Viral (segment "Bonestorm") (2014) – co-director, writer, producer *5) Synchronic (2019)
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Ah hell, if I'm missing some movies someone else add themposted:Roman Polanski posted:Park Chan Wook
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Darthemed posted:David DeCoteau I would have went for 1. 1313: Cougar Cult 2. 1313: Giant Killer Bees! 3. 1313: Haunted Frat 4. 1313: Bigfoot Island 5. 1313: UFO Invasion 6. 1313: Frankenqueen but to each their own.
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And we are full!married but discreet posted:Park Chan Wook Oh no! Park Chan Wook came in just after the cutoff (gently caress Roman Polanski, he doesn't get to be in a tournament for anything good) If one of the council wants to bump a director with only 4 entries from the main bracket, I'll put Park in there. I have it sorted by # of films now, just someone pick a cut  Seeding! Do we want just random seeding, or some sort of ranked list? I can also assign seeds based on where they finished in the Best Franchise bracket (and do randomized for unseeded entries) if that works? Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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UWE BOLL 1. Alone in the Dark 2. Alone in the Dark 2 3. Bloodrayne 4. Bloodrayne: Deliverance 5. Bloodrayne: The Third Reich 6. House of the Dead CHARLES BAND 1. Dollman VS Demonic Toys 2. Blood Dolls 3. Evil Bong 4. Gingerdead Man 5. The Dead Want Women 6. Puppet Master The Legacy I'm not saying these should be in But I'm saying they could be
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Jun 9, 2020 18:35
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I was trying to figure out Adam Wingard's 6 best but whatever. Guess its filled.
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Jun 9, 2020 18:41
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Maybe chronological ranking, by the date of their earliest (listed) film? Or zigzag that, so oldest goes against newest?
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Jun 9, 2020 18:42
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Shrecknet posted:And we are full! William Lustig or Stephen Sommers would be my choices for a bounce, but that's honestly just based on personal tastes. I'd also abuse my power to bounce Ruggero Deodato just so I don't have to watch Cannibal Holocaust. E: Just to be clear, I don't think these suggestions should be acted upon, unless other council members agree
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Jun 9, 2020 18:43
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Shrecknet posted:Seeding! Do we want just random seeding, or some sort of ranked list? I can also assign seeds based on where they finished in the Best Franchise bracket (and do randomized for unseeded entries) if that works?
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I'm fine with bumping Sommers for Wook, I think Wook is more deserving as much as I'm a Sommers fanboy.STAC Goat posted:I'm all about the ballots and votes and that just doesn't seem to be the thing people want, but if you're doing a jungle primary before the field of 64 then is there any harm in doing a big seeding vote for the 60 during that like you did with the main one? Am I remembering that wrong? Didn't we all vote for a big field at some point? Yea I'd like to see some sort of poll that will determine seeding. I don't want Craven facing Romero in the first round or something like that.
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Shrecknet posted:Seeding! Do we want just random seeding, or some sort of ranked list? I can also assign seeds based on where they finished in the Best Franchise bracket (and do randomized for unseeded entries) if that works? We need some ranking to stop the top seeds from knocking each other out early, but it'd be kind of a pain to pre-rank every single one of the directors. If the council's up for that fine, but maybe we could have 8 'top seeds' determined via vote and the rest get in randomly.
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Shrecknet posted:If one of the council wants to bump a director with only 4 entries from the main bracket, I'll put Park in there. I have it sorted by # of films now, just someone pick a cut As I said earlier, feel free to bump West and McKee if people feel stronger about other entries. I'm not married to them and I doubt anyone else will care. They're safe "bubble" entries. (and Benson/Moorehead I guess). On principle I'd say we should consider bumping 4 movie entries on the grounds that they have a basic advantage if their 4 films are more focused quality than everyone else's 6 and if they're not then it begs the question of if they deserve to be there more. Like I wouldn't say James Whale should be cut from a "Best Director" tournament because he was awesome, but teh fact that his entire catalogue is 3 absolute classics and a 4th great film gives him a huge distorted edge over someone like Carpenter who has like 10 great films but will only get a selection of 6 in this. But again, that's my reservations with this format and we're really not doing "Best Director" anymore so I leave it to the rest of the small council. Just my thoughts. It makes as much if not more sense to bump the "bubble" ones over someone like Whale. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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STAC Goat posted:As I said earlier, feel free to bump West and McKee if people feel stronger about other entries. I'm not married to them and I doubt anyone else will care. I think you can still say that we're determining Best Director here, just with more than one factor taken into account. So consistency counts, someone like James Whale is going to have that advantage and I think that's perfectly ok, it makes sense that he would. But consistency isn't everything, and so a very prolific director like John Carpenter is going to be able to put forward 6 excellent films even though his resume has some mediocre stuff in it. I think this is a good balance, you can't cruise through with just one or two good films, and you can't win just based on volume either. Also remember, the random format gets thrown out towards the end, so when it really comes time to determine the winner, the full resume of each director will be considered.
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STAC Goat posted:I'm all about the ballots and votes and that just doesn't seem to be the thing people want, but if you're doing a jungle primary before the field of 64 then is there any harm in doing a big seeding vote for the 60 during that like you did with the main one? Am I remembering that wrong? Didn't we all vote for a big field at some point? Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Jun 9, 2020 18:56
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STAC Goat posted:As I said earlier, feel free to bump West and McKee if people feel stronger about other entries. I'm not married to them and I doubt anyone else will care. They're safe "bubble" entries. (and Benson/Moorehead I guess). I don't think you should cherry pick anyone for this kind of thing...but that's literally ALL James Whale has. That's not picking quality over anything. He literally has that and nothing else.
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Boooooo I say Boooooooooooooo Removing Laughton's Night of the Hunter and Bird's Ravenous is a crime!
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Basebf555 posted:I think you can still say that we're determining Best Director here, just with more than one factor taken into account. So consistency counts, someone like James Whale is going to have that advantage and I think that's perfectly ok, it makes sense that he would. Burkion posted:I don't think you should cherry pick anyone for this kind of thing...but that's literally ALL James Whale has. Yeah, I wasn't saying against Whale. I'm saying we ARE cherry picking in this. And yeah, that might actually benefit a director like Wes Craven with a wider selection of good and bad vs someone like Whale who has a small collection of good. But I also think it makes Whale's "roulette" cycle smaller so its entirely possible we'll vote for Bride of Frankenstein 3 times and never vote for Nightmare or Scream for Wes. We'll see. But again, that's my personal issues with the format and its obvious I'm in the minority so I'll try and shut up more. What's done is done. I have no doubt this will be fun and I don't mean to be a wet blanket just because I didn't get my way. Shrecknet posted:RANKED CHOICE! STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Jun 9, 2020 19:06
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Feel like we should maybe allow a little more time and get some extra submissions and then whittle it down by executive committee or through ranked choice cutoff. Like, no offense to some of these submissions, but it would be lame to include some pretty forgettable names only to realize we left off an underrated heavyweight or two.
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Jun 9, 2020 19:10
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TrixRabbi posted:we left off an underrated heavyweight or two. Like Charles Laughton He directed a movie so good critics and peers shamed him into not making anymore movies.
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TrixRabbi posted:Feel like we should maybe allow a little more time and get some extra submissions and then whittle it down by executive committee or through ranked choice cutoff. Like, no offense to some of these submissions, but it would be lame to include some pretty forgettable names only to realize we left off an underrated heavyweight or two. I agree in principle but it feels clear at this stage that collectively patience isn't our strongest virtue or priority.
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A few big names missing from the spreadsheet - Eli Roth - Charles Band - Jen and Sylvia Soska - Lucio Fulci (!!! this would be a massive omission) - Adam Wingard - Jesus Franco (Another huge one) - Bruno Mattei - Jacques Tourneur - Ishiro Honda
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Fulci? drat.
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I'm clearly on ignore around here, smh.  I nominated Fulci. 2 of my nominations were overlooked and my third was thrown out! This anti MZ thread has me steaming mad!
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I feel like we can't have this tournament without Fulci, Franco, Roth and Tourneur. Ishiro Honda feels like he represents a whole other realm of the genre that's mostly missing here, Adam Wingard is a recent up and comer who deserves to duke it out. Charles Band is kinda dumb but he's such an establishment in the genre it'd be tough to knock him off. Feel like we should pump these dudes into the ranked choice vote and then those who miss the cutoff just don't get in. edit: Polanski was nominated on this page but isn't on the sheet either. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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TrixRabbi posted:Feel like we should maybe allow a little more time and get some extra submissions and then whittle it down by executive committee or through ranked choice cutoff. Like, no offense to some of these submissions, but it would be lame to include some pretty forgettable names only to realize we left off an underrated heavyweight or two. TrixRabbi posted:I feel like we can't have this tournament without Fulci, Franco, Roth and Tourneur. Ishiro Honda feels like he represents a whole other realm of the genre that's mostly missing here, Adam Wingard is a recent up and comer who deserves to duke it out. Charles Band is kinda dumb but he's such an establishment in the genre it'd be tough to knock him off. Feel like we should pump these dudes into the ranked choice vote and then those who miss the cutoff just don't get in.  MacheteZombie posted:I'm clearly on ignore around here, smh.
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Shrecknet posted:You are right, I deleted the main 60 poll because it's not complete/finessed For the record I'm joking about being upset. Well about my noms being overlooked at least. 
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Eli Roth Cabin Fever Hostel Hostel: Part II The Green Inferno Knock Knock The House with a Clock in its Walls Jacques Tourneur Cat People I Walked with a Zombie The Leopard Man Night of the Demon The Comedy of Terrors City Under the Sea Ishiro Honda Godzilla Matango Mothra Frankenstein Conquers the World The Human Vapor Destroy All Monsters Adam Wingard You're Next V/H/S The Guest Home Sick Blair Witch Death Note
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Shrecknet posted:Again, you're right, but Polanski is a loving pederast so gently caress him. Victor Bava doesn't get on here either. I'm totally fine with excluding the child molesters. Polanski's a heavyweight of the genre but also he raped a 13-year-old so I don't care if he competes or not.
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Shrecknet posted:OK I am sorry and I'm adding Fulci. I'll extend the list past 60 and we can start throwing out 4-film directors when we're ready to move on. What do we do if we already submitted our rankings?
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Last time I'll suggest this, I promise. What if we just toss out the 16 jungle primary, collect all the names/submissions, and do one big ranked choice jungle primary? Alternative decide who the "automatic bids" are and put the rest in a big ranked choice jungle primary? I think its probably the fairest way to speed this along but also make sure we don't overly snub anyone. And we can keep the movie roulette thing intact even if like Jordan Peele sneaks into a 4 seed or something.
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STAC Goat posted:Last time I'll suggest this, I promise. Council Member's Choices (#1 and 2 seeds in each bracket): Shrecknet (Takashi Miike) STAC (John Carpenter) Burkion (Ishiro Honda) Basebf ( Mario Bava ) Timeless Debbie Does Dagon (Hitchcock) TrixRabbi (David Lynch) and since there are only 7, I'm awarding a special guest choice to Machete Zombie since he has to endure the bad news that Charles Naughton cannot be in this tournament. (Dario Argento) Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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I'd swap Mothra and Destroy All Monsters for Rodan and Half Human, myself. Rodan is closer to a horror movie in the first half than Mothra is in any fashion, and Destroy All Monsters is a pure kaiju film while Half Human is an oft forgotten film that got re-edited in 1958 with John Caradine.
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Shrecknet, despite my difference of opinion with some of your decisions you have nothing but my respect for your ability to take advice, criticism, and adjust. You are a scholar and a gentleman and are doing a great job, probably much better than I would have done in your place. Of my choices for 1 and 2 I'd say the field is John Carpenter, Wes Craven, James Whale, George Romero, Stuart Gordon, and Dario Argento. Since I think all of them have a chance of being picked and even if they're not they should safely grab a high seed I'm just gonna ditch strategic voting and pick who MY #1 seed is. John Carpenter
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I'm picking Argento Thanks for roping me in as a special guest, not necessary but appreciated!
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Well I guess since I brought him to the table I'll claim...Shrecknet posted:You know what? I'm in for this. I'm gonna throw out the JP poll too. Each Council Member elects one director to move on, once they have all selected, we'll do a ranked-choice thingy after. drat you. Well then I guess MacheteZombie posted:I'm picking Argento Mother Fucker! gently caress it, might as well be on brand. ISHIRO HONDA
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My #1 seed choice is David Lynch.
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After a lot of thought, I'm going to choose Alfred Hitchcock as my #1 seed. There are probably other crowd favourites, or other directors who fit my particular taste better, but the individual level of quality in each of Hitchcock's films absolutely elevates him above the pack for me.
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I know everyone expects me to go with Gordon but you know I just feel like that would potentially leave too many iconic directors vulnerable to being knocked out early. So I'm going to be responsible about this. My automatic bid selection is Mario Bava. Which leaves two slots remaining for such directors as Craven, Romero, and Whale.
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Its gonna be rough but I have faith that those guys who don't get called will nab themselves a 3 or 4 seed in the vote. We'll see. All the picks so far have been fine selections. Hitchcock and Bava probably would have been the next level of 2/3 seed for me.
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Shrecknet posted:and since there are only 7, I'm awarding a special guest choice to Machete Zombie since he has to endure the bad news that Charles Naughton cannot be in this tournament. (Dario Argento) Justice for Bird! Also thanks for all the work you're doing to organize, watching this develop has been fun so far.
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