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Been thinking about "after the evil eight" when director's lists refresh. Proposal: Each councilperson gets 1 selection on the final four's director's list, so they get two movies they use in the FF and semis, then their entire ouvré in the finals. So like, me and Burkion (Miike and Honda) would each pick 1 movie from, say George Romero's entire list (assuming he's representing Tokyo in the FF) Then coin flip, he gets mine in FF and Burkion's pick in the Finals (if he gets there) Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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I would prefer the lists not refresh unless they have to. Most of the directors remaining have 3 films left. One for Elite 8, one for Final 4, and one for the championship. I just kind of think it would be perfect if the Final Four were 4 directors with 2 films we haven't seen yet. I'll probably end up watching all 8 films that week or doing a "consolation" watch for the Championship. I just think the way this tournament evolved its been much more of a movie club than a "best director tourney" so reshuffling and skipping movies like Eraserhead or Night of the Living Dead or Re-Animator for a movie we've already seen feels like an anticlimactic ending to me. Or like just rerunning Godzilla for Honda or Alien for Ripley or something when so many directors have fallen because of their weaker films just feels like a change of course. I dunno. I had forgotten about the "reshuffling" thing and was just anticipating the movies I'd be watching through the rest of September based on the remaining list. But I've been wrong about everything this tournament so feel free to ignore me.
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Sep 16, 2020 23:28
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STAC Goat posted:I just think the way this tournament evolved its been much more of a movie club than a "best director tourney" so reshuffling and skipping movies like Eraserhead or Night of the Living Dead or Re-Animator for a movie we've already seen feels like an anticlimactic ending to me. This is how I feel also, for what it's worth
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Sep 16, 2020 23:30
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Just remember, that leaves Audition free and clear Which who knows, maybe Miike doesn't make it out of this round.
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I don't want to watch Audition but like if it got reshuffled and luck skipped it I'd be personally relieved but I'd also probably skip whatever one of his movies got redrawn and possibly zone out of a rehash of the conversation. And from a "fairness" perspective that feels a bit like a weird way to end a tournament that has so heavily relied on the luck of whether one of your better, worse, or more polarizing films gets drawn. Suddenly switching to "2 of your best" feels jolting to me. But also its just a game and I'd probably just watch the movies I want to watch anyway and skip the ones I don't. So you know.
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For the record I've been thinking about this from a "they have what they have" angle the entire time. I didn't even think about refreshing at the end
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Sep 17, 2020 00:03
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I'd prefer not to reshuffle for pretty much the reasons STAC put forward, I'm also excited to watch and stream the upcoming films. Perhaps as a compromise, we could do something similar to the last thread and have multiple votes in the final. One vote for the drawn film, and another vote for the director's overall oeuvre etcetera.
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I prefer no reshuffles as well, but am open to a shakeup in the Final Round, just to make it exciting. I propose directors continue working from their current lists for the rest of the tournament, and only reshuffle if they run out early (say, Ken Russell). However, I have a pitch for the finals: The two finalists are given their remaining film (assuming they had a full roster of 6). They also draw 2 previous films from their list selected at random. They are then subjected to three random matches of Film vs. Film. So let's pretend for this scenario it's Lynch vs. Miike in the finals and by that point Lynch's only remaining film is Mulholland Drive and Miike's only remaining is Audition. They are each then given at the roll of the dice two other films on their list, let's say Blue Velvet and Lost Highway for Lynch and Ichi the Killer and Imprint for Miike. The finals then become: 1. Mulholland Dr vs. Audition 2. Blue Velvet vs. Ichi the Killer 3. Lost Highway vs. Imprint Best 2/3 wins the tournament. Is it entirely fair? No. But it reduces the risk of a tie, it's exciting, it plays into the randomness of the entire tournament and it allows the directors to compete for the crown with a broader survey of their filmography.
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That sounds fun and fair
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Sep 17, 2020 00:50
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So Ordered!
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Any chance I get to pull Ichi again is a chance worth taking.
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TrixRabbi posted:I prefer no reshuffles as well, but am open to a shakeup in the Final Round, just to make it exciting. I like this and my only problem is we're a week late and that will be the first week of October so I won't waste time rewatching films I saw in the last 2 months when I've got a crazy 100 movie long list for that. But I do agree that's a fun and fair go.
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I'm not too concerned about rewatching stuff so much as I think it's a good way to judge a director for more than a single draw and it pulls films that have helped propel them to the finals and sort of retests them. I think it will elevate the final round and make it feel more definitive. Like, if we send, say George Romero, to the final round is it fair for him to have to win the whole tournament just on the strength of Creepshow if that's his last remaining film? There's still some luck of the draw there, and it will be three individual film v. film matchups that could lead to stuff like "ugh, if only Night of the Living Dead was going up against Shivers instead of The Fly I'd vote for it" but hey, that's been the whole tournament so far more or less so let's have at it. Plus this greatly reduces the risk of a 50/50 tie. If somehow Director A wins one, Director B wins the other and the third is a dead-split we can figure out what happens from there, but with the added variables I think it's less likely. I do think that the last remaining films in their respective lists have to go against each other though. That's the headliner and then you've got some opening acts. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Sep 17, 2020 02:59
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I like the idea of a best of three thing for the finals, but at the same time:TrixRabbi posted:Like, if we send, say George Romero, to the final round is it fair for him to have to win the whole tournament just on the strength of Creepshow if that's his last remaining film? Yes, absolutely, it is as fair as the rest of the randomness of the tournament.
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I suppose it is, but it'd be a bit anti-climatic as well, wouldn't it?
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Well, sure. This whole thing from the start has been built on feeling deflated due to a poor draw. If Ken Russell somehow makes it to the end and we're all watching The Very Horney Snake on repeat, that's by design to some extent. But like I said, the best of three for the finals sounds way cooler and I would prefer it! I just don't know if "fairness" really comes into the equation for something like this.
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The other option that I was thinking before the reshuffling ideas would be to just run the Final Four and Finals at the same time. Final Four Lynch A vs del Toro A Romero A vs Yuzna A Championship possabilities Lynch B vs Yuzna B Romero B vs del Toro B Lynch B vs del Toro B Romero B vs Yuzna B It would be more votes but the same number of movies (8) as every other week. And we'd just find out the Final Four/Championships results all at once. It also might produce some interesting debates of a movie beating one film but not the other. And it would mean the entire tournament ends on October 1st.
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Finished off this round's viewing with a double feature of Day of the Dead and The Blob. A good evening, but also the only two real match-ups here. Hannibal is, I think, unfairly maligned. It only really sucks when you consider the talent involved and form expectations; if it were a James Wan movie I would have been pleasantly surprised. Necronomicon doesn't suck, though, so that's an easy win. Dolls is better than you'd expect from everything other than Gordon's involvement, and not as good as I'd expect from Gordon. There's just not enough going on for it to be real competition with Ichi. The Blob vs. Hereditary is almost a tough one for me. The Blob is a giant sprawling mess with half a dozen too few or too many passes on the script; I can't tell which from scene to scene. In terms of craft Hereditary completely blows it out of the water, and I was extremely let-down by both the quantity and quality of dead children, since I guess we're spoilering that in here. But it has so much going on and so many goopy people melting and almost half the jokes land. Hereditary is just much too small-scale and restrained to compete for my affection, even though it's a better movie in almost every way; especially the bit in spoiler tags above. It loses out on the important metrics of goopy people melting, cool monsters, and 80sosity. I like The Host a lot and it deserves more attention than it can get in this matchup. Tough break. Day really surprised me - I'd put off watching it for ages because I heard so many middling to negative reactions to it, and "military bunker" just sounded like a boring setting for a zombie movie. That was mostly wrong and I think there's a real chance I like it more than Dawn. It will take another viewing of each to figure that out. That said, while it's a great movie it isn't a masterpiece. I think it was a mistake to have a single standout performance like Dr. Logan. Once he dies, you know that for the rest of the movie nobody is going to try to do anything or have any interesting ideas - it's all over but the screaming. The movie insists on going through the motions anyway. This is thematically appropriate, but kind of boring. A couple of the other performances are decent to good, but I think the script failed them. Rhodes delivers the few good lines he gets very well, but most of his dialogue feels like a placeholder and he doesn't really do much as a character. The last bits with him and Bub are really great, though, as he starts shambling. Godzilla on the other hand isn't just great, it's a masterpiece. Clear winner here despite extremely strong competition.
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Irony.or.Death posted:Hannibal is, I think, unfairly maligned. It only really sucks when you consider the talent involved and form expectations; if it were a James Wan movie I would have been pleasantly surprised. Necronomicon doesn't suck, though, so that's an easy win. Hannibal plasters those expectations all over the screen. There are good performances by talented actors in desperate need of a script with something interesting to say. The cinematography is lush and everything looks like it cost as much as it did, but it's in service of a plodding mess of a story (a story we now know can be told well, thanks TV series). It's a film that tries to remind you how much money and talent was thrown at it at every turn, in a desperate effort to cover up how utterly awful the writing is. Yes, some of those expectations come from how good Lambs was, but again the film actively invites those comparisons by leaning so hard on what we already know about Clarice and Hannibal, and the cinematic vocabulary that Lambs established.
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The good news is, the October Challenge thread will go up next weekend, so any movies watched for this tournament from the 25th onward can be counted towards your October total. You can even cross-post your write-ups into the October Thread. In fact, I recommend linking back to this thread, because it'll be a nice resource for people who have missed out on this, to find new movies and read our super smart kick rear end write-ups.
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Sep 17, 2020 13:36
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Legit eager for these results.
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TrixRabbi posted:Legit eager for these results. oh right it's Thursday lol  Miike and Honda move on! Romero and Gordon are out, and the Tokyo division will have a Japanese filmmaker representing them!  The Blob oozes its way past Toni Collette's Oscar-worthy performance; Yuzna continues to prove how under-seeded he was. Hateful Eight up in a few!
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Sep 17, 2020 17:37
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Shamelessly cheering for Miike from now on. Hail to the King!
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My heart hurts every Thursday
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Hateful Eight!! It's David-on-David violence as the weirdos attempt to out-do each other!  Much love to Russell's horny gothic aesthetic but it's fuckin' Donnie Yen, Yuen Wo-Ping, Ron Perlman and Wesley Snipes as a vampire hit squad and gently caress you if you don't vote for that. I'll be making an effortpost personally to escort GDT to the fearful four.  Sorry STAC  Statistically, given that a quarter of the field is Davids, and a quarter Russells, a hypothetical horror director named David Russell would be your automatic winner. Alas, it's time for "the good Freddy movie" vs "we stole the Wishmaster costume"  VOTE HERE! This is for the final four!DDD I'm gonna need your help with this as almost none of these are on any streaming platforms I could find. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Shrecknet posted:
I have to wonder what the results would be if it was a straight head-to-head between Romero and Honda. I imagine it would still be close, but I'm curious if The Host was pulling votes more from Gojira, as another giant monster movie, than it would be from Day of the Dead.
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Class3KillStorm posted:I have to wonder what the results would be if it was a straight head-to-head between Romero and Honda. I imagine it would still be close, but I'm curious if The Host was pulling votes more from Gojira, as another giant monster movie, than it would be from Day of the Dead. Honda won a majority, not a plurality, so it changes nothing.
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Time to deliberately ruin my sleep schedule so I can watch Inland Empire and Audition with goons
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Oh man, those of you who haven't seen Faust I'm so hyped for y'all to discover that glorious Year 2000 gem.
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TrixRabbi posted:Oh man, those of you who haven't seen Faust I'm so hyped for y'all to discover that glorious Year 2000 gem. Please God tell me the unrated cut is available for all to see
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https://archive.org/details/TheHumanVapor1960 Human Vapor
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Those who voted against Romero show yourselfs you cowards.
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Shrecknet posted:Honda won a majority, not a plurality, so it changes nothing. I'm just curious what the numbers end up shaking out to being - does Gojira stay at 52% or would it actually go up? Also, lol at the asset availability this round. I think that this is the round with the fewest number of titles available on the standard streaming options (Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc.), and the highest number of titles not available to stream at all. According to Justwatch this is also available on something called Flixfling. Does anyone have any info or knowledge about this service?
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*raises hand* Gojira is the more important film and it's also just better than Day of the Dead.
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Basebf555 posted:*raises hand* Same.
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I think it could have gone the other way had it been Night instead of Day.
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It definitely is weird though that Craven, Carpenter, Romero, Hitchcock, Argento, Raimi, Bava and James Whale were all eliminated before semi-finals. Like, if you were presenting this tournament to someone who didn't know anything about it this result would be pretty tough to explain. You had to be there I guess. STAC predicted this though.
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Yeah but how many Ken Russell films have they seen?
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This whole tournament must be the most inexplicable bullshit to anyone who just kind of knows horror and knows the big names Also I found Faust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5rJEfDNHo8
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