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indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

MorrisBae posted:

I just discovered Workers World Party and they seem well aligned with my values and have a large presence locally

Thanks for the advice

what made you choose WWP over PSL?

# ¿ Jun 18, 2020 21:32

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 15:49

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

I also have no idea, part of why I was asking lol

# ¿ Jun 18, 2020 22:06

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

thinkin bout that Maoism post

# ¿ Jun 22, 2020 21:24

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

did Cuba really send all their prisoners to the US as refugees as claimed in Scarface

# ¿ Jun 22, 2020 22:54

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

dex_sda posted:

It's more like if you toed the line you had a pretty decent life. But, say, if you had substance abuse problems, got into the wrong team at work, stepped on a wrong person's toes or got caught doing some minor crime you were hosed.

In fairness to communism there was less inequality so that was an improvement. And there were outside influences and inside opportunists fighting it at every turn. But just be weary of whitewashing it all.

I wonder how much of the police/military brutality and hosed criminal justice system was due to the extremely volatile nature of the USSR's origin - esp wrt opportunists/capitalist influences. one of my main problems with communism is how a lot of people (MLs in particular, though god knows I love my comrades) will just handwave any discussion of brutal and repressive police in communist countries

I wish a guy like Parenti would write a history of the USSR. he seems pretty fair handed on the topic from what I've read of his

dex_sda posted:

EZLN stuff

what's their stance on anxiety/depression meds? like are benzos prohibited too?

# ¿ Jun 23, 2020 21:12

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Contradiction.

this is all interesting as hell. I wish I understood it better. I'd especially like to know how philosophical/theological lefties build on that stuff

# ¿ Jun 23, 2020 21:18

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Greg Legg posted:

I'd like some education about something since I am not well read about this stuff. What is a red brown alliance?

something bad that sucks and is stupid, i.e. an alliance between communists and fascists. it's bad.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2020 02:34

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

what�s the Marxist take on free will

# ¿ Jul 23, 2020 21:18

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

thanks for the thoughtful answers

# ¿ Jul 26, 2020 16:37

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

cheetah7071 posted:

well I mean the most obvious alliance lines involving libs, commies, and nazis in the 20th century explicitly had a communist-liberal alliance against the nazis

Stalin tried to ally with the UK and France against Hitler in the summer of 39 but they weren't really interested. partly for their own reasons ("I must confess to the most profound distrust of Russia. I have no belief whatever in her ability to maintain an effective offensive, even if she wanted to. And I distrust her motives, which seem to me to have little connection with our ideas of liberty," -Chamberlain) and partly because Poland and Romania feared the USSR more than they did Hitler and refused any military cooperation

# ¿ Sep 25, 2020 03:37

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

say automation advances to the point that there is no need for a working class, but almost everyone is kept near-destitute on UBI it something similar. what�s the Marxist take

# ¿ Oct 28, 2020 02:58

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

dead gay comedy forums posted:

good question

this is a really interesting response that I appreciate but that sort of side steps the question. I'm saying imagine a sci fi future where the singularity (or something like it) happened and the extent of human labor necessary to achieve any task is to tell a computer or robot what you want done, and it will actualize it from beginning to end. I realize this may not count as capitalism anymore (especially given the UBI-type stipulation attached), which is why I'd be interested to hear what a Marxist would have to say about such a society. say .5% of the people own all the robots and computers and arable land and potable water and live in wild opulence while the rest of humanity is suffered to live at near-subsistence levels. also in this world there aren't even any human maids or cooks or servants.

e: also none of the robots or computers have achieved sentience, sapience, self-awareness, intelligence, or intentionality

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# ¿ Oct 28, 2020 21:35

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

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what's the deal with non-Marxist (non-utopian) socialism, or does such a thing even exist

# ¿ Dec 21, 2020 21:31

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

are there any right wing anti-capitalist ideologies (not counting stuff like nazbols)

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 16:43

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

the Eurasia thread might be a better place to ask this, but what are some similarities/differences between Yugoslavia's market socialism and China's socialism with Chinese characteristics? I know jack poo poo about Titoism

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 15:49

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

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AxGrap posted:

Maybe this has been covered, I skipped to the end after a few pages, but what would be advice for getting someone to see things through a socialist or communist lens without a giant reading list, or really any studying theory at all? l

Socialism Utopian and Scientific is like 80 pages and articulates it in the most convincing way I've yet read. you should be able to knock it out in a few poo poo breaks at work.

AxGrap posted:

The sad (?) fact is that more people are probably exposed to socialism/communism via Instagram infographics than theory or even talking to people who read theory, and while bite sized stuff like that doesn't really do a lot for education or whatever it's probably a net good. I guess this is neither here nor there.

But yeah I don't really read books anymore and most people I know read for pleasure, so my above question is something I've been thinking about. Seems like there is some anti podcast vitriol on this site sometimes, I assume bc podcasters are just mini celebrities and not exactly known for their consistency.

podcasts and youtube are bad for this because podcasters/streamers loving suck at 1) having a deep understanding of theory, history, and application and 2) communicating theory, history, and application to a curious audience, as well as 3) evolving their ideas and taking on criticism. all of which is critical for people whose main or sole method of ingesting this stuff is youtube or podcasts

honestly in the end there's so much written on this stuff - and so much is available freely in ebook form - that if you're not hooked by a pamphlet essay or book within the first 15-20 pages just chuck it and grab something else. for eg I don't really care for Marx's writing at all (whether it's the treanslator's fault idk) but Lenin or Engels are easy reads. if someone isn't keeping your interest on a topic odds are someone else will

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