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SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Blurred posted:

If you're the Biden campaign, do you start to consider putting a lot of time and money into places like GA and TX now? Or play it safe by focusing on "blue wall" states like MI, PA etc.? I think there's the danger of Texas becoming the Democrats' white whale, but with the last couple of polls we've seen from there it must be very difficult to resist the temptation to give it a shot.
If the polls still look like this in October the Biden campaign should absolutely attempt to blow it wide open. The downballot effects would be too massive to ignore.

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SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Montana's a weird state. Democrats could probably compete nationally if they really wanted too but it's only three electoral votes so why bother?

Anyways, House update:

https://twitter.com/NilesGApol/status/1278550568877854720

https://twitter.com/SenhorRaposa/status/1278555740060467200

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Charlz Guybon posted:

Trump won Kansas by 20.6%. Twenty point six percent!

Has any president ever lost a state that they won by that much in their reelection campaign? Hoover maybe?
Indiana voted for Bush by a 20.68% margin in 2004; four years later, Obama would win it by 1.03%. Not exactly the same, since Bush wasn't on the ticket again, but still a comparable swing.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1281953272522330115

Some Dems want the Biden campaign to go big, but the Biden camp so far is more cautious.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Even if the polls are off by a similar margin in swing states like in 2016 (~3 points), Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida are still solidly Biden, and Arizona, North Carolina, Ohio, and Georgia are toss-ups.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/kkondik/status/1283007886302629889

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013


Good. Suburban Dallas/Fort Worth seat with a retiring R incumbent. Beto won it by 3 in 2018. Also: https://twitter.com/scottbraddock/status/1283262941035409411

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1284267712114569216

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1285314254934020097

Would love to see Biden/Trump numbers for this district.

Also, why would you release this poll? It makes you look terrible.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

VitalSigns posted:

Just like when Democrats savvily nominated a silver star recipient, and Republicans and their chickenhawk president were not able to call him a coward and a traitor at all.

Trump isn't Bush, 2004 isn't 2020, and Duckworth, a minority female with a visible disability, isn't Kerry, a white male with no visible disability.

E: Wow Ohio polling better than Pennsylvania in a Rasmussen poll. :eyepop:

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SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

It's worth noting that O'Rourke actually outran his polling numbers in 2018; the RCP average was Cruz +6.8 with the final result being Cruz +2.6. Polls might not pick up how fast the demographics are shifting.

Also I don't think Beto ever actually led in any polls, while Biden very much has.

SoggyBobcat fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jul 23, 2020

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Can't wait for the Trump campaign to release some obviously fudged numbers from New Mexico to try and make this a narrative.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1287730322877173760
Not sure how the college educated/non-college educated sample compares to the state.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1289054403454996480
Trump won this district by 14.9% in 2016.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1290419851186647045
Hopefully other states follow suit.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Considering it's Kentucky, Obama's endorsement would probably hurt her.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1292441780739280897

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1293763513761107970

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Yeah totally expect to see a Biden +3 poll or something from Rasmussen a week from now so they can crow about the tightening race.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

I think when it comes to Texas or other states that are going through rapid growth and demographic changes the trendline is probably more important than specific poll results. Polls might not catch just how quickly things are changing.

2016 President
RCP average: Trump +11.7
Actual result: Trump +9

2018 Senate
RCP average: Cruz +6.8
Actual result: Cruz +2.6

2020 President
RCP average (current): Trump +3.5
Actual result: ???

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Do these idiots not know that registered Democrats are polled more because there are more registered Democrats than registered Republicans?

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/EvanMcMullin/status/1299202749947686920
The combined Clinton + McMullin votes in Utah were greater than Trumps' in 2016 (554,366 to 515,231). That said it would probably take a Romney endorsement to truly make Biden competitive in that state.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1299891988528017408

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Decent, consistent with an Evers +1 result I think.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Shut the gently caress up and post some drat polls!!!!

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1302000600238956547

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1305222101561999360
:eyepop:

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Dapper_Swindler posted:

would that change anything? i mean cool as poo poo though.
Just more evidence that urban areas, specifically Southern urban areas are moving away from Trump; a fourteen-point improvement over Clinton is pretty huge, as would the possibility of winning the House seat. And while Biden won't win Arkansas, it opens up a potential lane for future Dems to win the state if the shift keeps growing and other urban areas in the state follow suit (namely Fayetteville).

sexpig by night posted:

how does 'biden has a 4 point lead but the challenger has a 2 point hurdle' feed into 'biden and elliot's coalitions look alike'?
The demographics of both are similar, but Biden is performing slightly better? Doesn't seem too complicated.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Mind_Taker posted:

https://www.nytimes.com./live/2020/presidential-polls-trump-biden#what-do-the-polls-say




It's still a tight race. Biden is in a better position than Hillary was but if the polls are off by just as much as they were in 2016, Trump still wins. And there are plenty of reasons to think polls could be off this year.
Sam Wang thinks this is bullshit:
https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1306306072106487808

Also that Quinnipiac Maine poll has Biden up 53-44 in ME-02; it was 45-44 Trump in late June/early August.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1306695570220875777

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1307696702577668099
Focusing on how Trump's SCOTUS pick could endanger the ACA doesn't seem like a bad play for the Biden campaign.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1308189633394757633
https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/1308076423152906240

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/NickTagliaferro/status/1309618227278950405

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1310590763093430275
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1310591396299124739

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

If "no one won" or "they both looked bad" is the common takeaway, then Biden actually won.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

That depends on if Texas flips.
Don't need Texas for 370+ EVs. All the swing states plus Ohio, Iowa, and Georgia (and NE-02 and ME-02) is 375.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/kilometerbryman/status/1314059460952825856
Upstate New York district that includes Binghamton and Utica. Trump won it by 15.5 points in 2016.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

IN-05 is my guess for the specific district he's talking about, though it probably holds true for plenty others. 58-41 for Romney in 2012 and 53-41 for Trump in 2016.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Beto narrowly lost this district, 49.9%-49.3%. If Biden is now leading it by nine points, and other suburban Texas districts are shifting by the same amount... :munch:

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/kilometerbryman/status/1319706002535510016

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SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

vyelkin posted:

Someone said that enormous Biden lead in Wisconsin is likely an outlier but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be real, for this specific reason:

https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1321532914409099265

Wisconsin is a Covid hotspot from top to bottom right now and as pollsters have been coldly pointing out for weeks now, the more Covid there is in a place, the less that place wants to reelect Trump.
And can't this specific outbreak be linked to a Trump rally in Green Bay?

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