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Crini posted:I promise I’m not doom posting, but.... No. Stop. Even if the Trump team wins every single lawsuit they've filed and magically overturn the PA election somehow, it wouldn't be enough to win. Also, they are not going to win any lawsuit they've filed because the head of their legal team is Jared Kushner and i'm not making that up.
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Flopsy posted:You think rapidly replacing people at the pentagon is simply a gently caress everything maneuver? Even in the doomiest doomer doom scenario in which this is a plot to galvanize the military for Trump, it's far too little, far too late. They've been wiping his rear end and putting out fires for four years now, they're not gonna do a coup for the guy.
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Nov 11, 2020 08:57
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Here are some various mainstream sources that might help you feel better by enjoying just how much the military does not like the big wet prez https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...vote-for-biden/ https://time.com/5898258/trump-lost-support-military/ https://www.businessinsider.com/us-troops-prefer-biden-but-veterans-favor-trump-polls-show-2020-10 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-says-military-will-vote-him-he-lost-their-support-ncna1245542 these are the most anodyne, dispassionate takes I could find
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Nov 11, 2020 09:05
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I mean, I know news gets wiped from our brains within milliseconds these days, but these are things that happened this year: - We found out that Trump knew that Russia was literally paying bounties for American troops and did nothing about it. - They were going to end National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits until they faced enough backlash they had to reverse it. - The whole thing with firing the captain of the USS Teddy Roosevelt for warning people there was a covid outbreak on the boat (which, of course, was true) - Defended Russia arming the Taliban on TV Like, the trump cult is strong, and I'm sure there are shitloads of MAGA chuds in the military, but the military cult is way, way stronger and Trump is (to put it way too mildly) not part of it. Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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"we should probably start looking for our version of james baker." -jared kushner, a week ago
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Nov 11, 2020 09:45
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Rea posted:Okay, apparently this is recounting all the ballots by hand, so the important difference now is that this was going to happen anyway, and isn't the result of the GA GOP and Trump's whining. Who cares? Even if it's just to appease the big wet baby, let them recount. There's still no way a recount in Georgia can overturn the results. This isn't Florida.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:44
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Rea posted:I think the primary worry right now is that this recount will go past the deadline for certification (December 8th, iirc) and allow the GA GOP to just send their own electors, regardless of the results. Let them. Not only would that STILL not overturn the election, it would be the biggest "gently caress you" to Georgia Democrats in history and practically guarantee big D turnout in the runoffs.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:48
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If you're going to entertain some doom conspiracy (hint: don't,) at least think it all the way through before you start arzying all over the place please. Every allied country is behaving according to Biden becoming the next president. The world media has called the election for Biden. The military actively hates trump, especially the officers. Nobody wants to see what would happen if the GOP pulls a coup, but if they do, they'll be isolated and powerless and the whole thing will be more embarrassing than anything else. I'm not saying they won't try, they're obviously trying right now, there's just no possible scenario I can imagine in which they get what they want at this point.
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Nov 11, 2020 18:45
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lurker2006 posted:HOLY gently caress idgi, what's surprising about those results?
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Nov 11, 2020 18:59
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Fame Douglas posted:But these potential scenarios are pretty interesting to discuss? I don't get your argument. Just straight-out saying "it's not going to happen" is great if you're an anxious person, but not really great discussion on a discussion forum. Fame Douglas posted:I'm not responsible for people that can't handle reading discussion about reality. Either they're potential scenarios that are academically interesting to talk about, or they're the reality we're living in right now and an outright coup is likely. You can't have both. Pick one please so we know how to respond to you.
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Nov 11, 2020 19:38
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Fame Douglas posted:Clancychat? In a wonk thread? Whoa. Yeah, it's hosed up. There's a difference between wonkery and outright LARPing.
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Nov 11, 2020 19:39
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Fame Douglas posted:Scenarios that could happen given the reality and legal system we live in? The "an outright coup is likely" part is something you added but I never said. Please post in good faith. Okay, what specific scenarios are we not talking about ITT that you think we should? What evidence brings you to the conclusion that we should take said scenarios seriously?
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Nov 11, 2020 19:45
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Grondoth posted:I mean, an outright claim to power by Trump after he's lost the election is the end of the world. There's no going back. It's a civil war scenario that rends the global order apart. No, it absolutely is not. Jesus loving christ. An outright claim to power by Trump at this point ends with him being escorted out in handcuffs. Please seek help.
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Nov 11, 2020 19:50
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Potato Salad posted:Cite your sources. Who would be responsible for maintaining Trump's power against the combined opposition of the entire Western world, including the military of the United States? Why would they do so, and how could they possibly hope to win?
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Nov 11, 2020 19:52
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Grondoth posted:I mean if he takes control with some sort of military coup. I'm saying that it's such a ridiculous idea because the consequences are so immense, no one benefits except Trump's ego. But someone seriously believing it's possible would drive them mad with stress and fear. It's also a ridiculous idea because it's outside the realm of reasonable things that could happen. I know this has been a dogshit 4 years, especially this one. But please listen carefully to me because I'm not going to post this again or source my quotes or explain any further because it's loving self-evident at this point: THE AMERICAN MILITARY WILL NOT BACK DONALD TRUMP IN AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE POWER.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:00
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Shammypants posted:So independent voters will break R again so that "Biden doesn't have too much power" If the Dems fumble the ball again, sure. That'll definitely be the narrative from the right. What really matters is GOTV, and whatever you think of Stacy Abrams she's really good at it. It's going to be a battle between voter registration on the left and voter suppression on the right, there isn't really time to do anything strategically meaningful with independents.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:04
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Covok posted:Any news on why 2020 polls were hot dog poo poo? We went through this a few pages ago, the short story is that Democrats were much more likely to be home and answer polls because they're quarantining, while Republicans are out living their best lives and coughing on grandmas.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:11
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BiggerBoat posted:Speaking only for myself but I'll hazard a guess that this is what some people are worried about. Worried about how? Paint the picture for me, what do you think is going to happen? Walk yourself through the most likely scenarios that concern you.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:23
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BiggerBoat posted:... my concerns ... that alone is enough to be very concerned ... looks volatile to me ... I don't like that the polls were off again ... I mean, me too buddy. I'm concerned. I don't really know how that's not doomposting but sure.
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Nov 11, 2020 20:51
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brugroffil posted:Both-sidesism/centrism/bipartisan fetishism has broken this country lol It looks that way if you only look at independents, who are insane people. They're not the deciding factor in the Georgia race. Like the election that just happened, it'll be decided by how much ground game the Dems have to physically go around and get ballots from people and/or drive them to polls. The question I have right now is whether the DNC / DCCC will funnel cash to Stacy Abrams and her affiliated machinery, or will they blow it on bullshit TV ads that do nothing, because that's what'll decide the race. Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Nov 11, 2020 20:59
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says a bill kristol tweet that cites a paywalled blog
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BiggerBoat posted:OK. If a mod tells me to knock it off I'll shut up about it and we seem to be in agreement so that's cool. My scenario you asked for would mainly have to with increasing right wing domestic terrorism, not anything Trump or his cronies, loyalists in the government or the GOP or military might necessarily do. Yeah, it's not unreasonable to worry about but I don't think society's gonna collapse between now and biden filling positions. Snakes still kill more people than terrorism. Be careful around snakes. I don't think the "stolen election" narrative will get any mainstream media support, even Fox is straight up suspending people for engaging with it. Could Trump build a successful media empire that supplants that narrative? Lol, gently caress no it took Rupert decades and he's actually competent.
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Nov 11, 2020 21:12
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James Garfield posted:and won two states where Obama never came close. This is a genuine silver lining, as is Texas slowly and painfully morphing into a swing state.
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Rust Martialis posted:"His subpoenas" -- Borat 
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Willo567 posted:So should I feel safe with Biden keeping Michigan then? no, absolutely not, we're completely hosed and Trump is personally coming to your house to pee in your sink why, exactly are you posting? what do you want to hear?
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zoux posted:If, after all this, Democrats end up with a slim trifecta, I don’t think even we will find a way to be miserable about it. somewhere in the distance you hear the sound of joe manchin sharpening his teeth e:fb e2: joe manchin had the same fetish for hatred as joe lieberman. He exists to consume the despair of both parties. He would never switch parties even if he could, he would just fade into the background as a republican. Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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