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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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RottenK posted:

it's a great shame that some peasants think that they're allowed to judge politicians for their past actions

Don't cut yourself on that edge, bro.

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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1293659139412045824?s=20

:toot:

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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Cool article that you forgot to link

Here it is, it is a good read.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/obama-biden-relationship-393570

Handsome Ralph
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Idk, I felt a little sympathetic for Biden after reading that considering I've been in rooms where everyone is equally qualified on paper but because you're the sole non-Ivy leaguer, your opinion is treated as less than for no other reason than that. It's loving aggravating.

Handsome Ralph
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Ego-bot posted:

Shaheen is also up for re-election. Aside from Doug Jones, she may be the most vulnerable Dem senator.

https://cookpolitical.com/ratings/senate-race-ratings

Peters from MI is more vulnerable than Shaeen is. I'm not saying it's impossible for Shaeen to lose, but it's unlikely.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

GOP aint doing so well money wise.

I audibly chuckled once I saw the balances. Hot drat.

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Handsome Ralph
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Xombie posted:

Last RNC culminated in legitimizing Trump, which is why he got a bump from it. The Republican party is just a Trump creature now. The RNC is just going to be a Trump rally, if anything.

Oh that's absolutely what it is, considering he's speaking every single night and they're hyping that as a selling point.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Djarum posted:

I think that we have hit Trump speaking fatigue. In 2016 it was a new freak show and you never knew what was going to come out of his mouth so the media and viewers ate it up. Fast forward 4 years and he has become effectively a comedy bit. Even at the beginning of the pandemic when the entire country was begging for leadership and someone to rally around Trump couldn't take advantage of that, it was the same old bit.

Four years ago, perhaps having him speak all four nights might have been a good selling point, but in 2020 it is a detriment. Even making it a glorified rally isn't a net positive because we have seen those for the last six months everyday. Really if he would just shut up for a couple of weeks it might be better for him but we all know that won't happen.

Yeah, exactly.

If there wasn't a pandemic or economic crisis occurring, I don't think it'd be nearly the misstep that I think it is. But if he wants to spend four nights in a row yelling about playing football and BLM while people deal with the pandemic and unemployment, have at it my dude.

Biden spent a chunk of his acceptance speech telling people who have lost family during all of this that he knows what they are feeling and that he cares, I struggle to imagine Trump giving even a 1/4 of that much empathy during one of his nightly speeches where he talks about how he's the real victim during all of this.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Trump winning 362 electoral votes? The gently caress outta here with that nonsense. (Not you OP, this guy).

lol, it's actually dumber than I thought

quote:

Unlike many other projections, Norpoth’s equation ignores approval ratings.

“That’s a poll number,” he said, “and I don’t use those. I think the primary performance of a sitting president is usually a proxy for that. But I don’t use any polling data or data related to opinions.”

This is like Peggy Noonan's Yard-sign metric but somehow even more dumb.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Grayly Squirrel posted:

People still think there are "hidden" Trump voters that pretend to be Biden voters. Its the pretend to be Biden voters part that is a total stretch unsupported by any evidence. The analysis has been pretty clear, however, that if there were "hidden" Trump voters in 2016 that were embarrassed to say who they supported, they said "undecided," or "other,"- not Hillary.

People were doing this when Obama first ran by constantly bringing up the "Bradley Effect" anytime he looked good against McCain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect


I'm of the mind that it made more sense in 2016 when you had far more undecideds but as people keep saying, it would seem things are so polarized that most people made up their minds long ago and people screaming shy Trump voters are doing it to cover their bases if polling ends up being wrong or w/e.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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The funniest part about that poll is if you look at the crosstabs, it's def. weighted slightly in favor of the GOP and yet it's still 52/42 for Biden.

lol, dude is cherry picking to make it awful for Dems. Also spoiler alert, but something like 2/3s of people who ID as independents for phone polls tend to be shy Republican voters.

Seriously, go look at the crosstabs.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eHT_l5lsfjvX-VTuA2doFfqaV3QeYZVx/view


Would I prefer that Biden had more independent support? Yeah sure. Does it matter in this polls case? Not really!

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1298667341610389511

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DaveWoo posted:

Another MA poll:

https://mobile.twitter.com/UML_CPO/status/1298681768334286850

Markey seems to be in a pretty good position.

Yeah this makes me feel a bit better. Issue with the other poll was the undecided number was a bit high (16%). It's not terrible but it's not great either.


Still, I think Markey is going to pull this one off, which thank gently caress.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

My brother was making the point that Joe Kennedy seems like the sort of guy that boomers look at and think "Well he seems like such a nice young man! I wish my children were more like him!" And I can't say I disagree. Boomer Dems want younger people in Congress, but the problem is that they want younger people who think like them, not people who have had to deal with the realities that young adults currently face.

See also, Pete Buttigieg.

Handsome Ralph
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https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1300225344528580608

Thought this was interesting. I've not seen much battleground polling done at the district level, so the comparison to 2016 here seems, good?

Handsome Ralph
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I’m blessed that I was politically unaware and also leaned Republican anyway during 08 when McCain shot into the lead after the RNC because being on here must have been hell.

Where do you think "arzying" came from? :haw:

I wanna say, it was a bit rough until maybe third week of September and then the first debate happened. Once the financial crisis was in full swing and Obama's polling swung back in his favor incredibly hard, it was smoother but people were still (justifiably) worried poo poo wouldn't pan out.

Handsome Ralph
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TwoQuestions posted:

WRT mail-in votes, I fully expect another Florida situation where protesters force the election boards to stop counting absentee votes.

Trump will win in a landslide on Election Day, no matter how you slice it. Any hope Biden has is getting absentee votes counted, which I'm very bearish on what with the POTUS not wanting that, and how cash-strapped local/state governments are right now.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/data-fir...k&ICID=ref_fark

The problem with this theory is that in 2000, Bush only needed to have the Brooks Brothers Riot be successful in one state that his brother was governor of and the SoS was a republican. It is a lot harder to pull the same poo poo off across multiple states at the same time, many of which have Dem SoS and Governors.

If the race comes down to a single state, I can see it happening. But I have my doubts that Trump and crew will be able to stop absentee ballot counting everywhere just because they wish it so.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Silver has a thread up about "Shy Trump" voters
Spoiler: No, it's not swinging the polls significantly.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1300759262638026752

Handsome Ralph
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evilweasel posted:

nah

if biden wins by 20 points, even twenty years later, i will still remember 2016 and feel completely justified in biting my nails right up until after the inaguration

Same. I bit my nails from 2004-2012 even when I had plenty of reason not to. 2016 was the one election I was complacent in thinking Clinton would win without a doubt. Never again.

Handsome Ralph
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Thought this was interesting

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1301190941110341632

Handsome Ralph
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Rasmussen polls followed by a post saying how it's accurate and how dare you discount it despite years of evidence that they heavily lean republican is trolling. Otherwise, it's a poo poo poll outfit but I still like seeing them because you can get a feel for how much they are putting their thumb on the scale sometimes.

Here's a CO senate poll, haven't seen much of these in awhile.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1301621094798045191

Handsome Ralph
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sexpig by night posted:

Gary Cohn: VC ghoul who's biggest issue with Trump was straight up 'I never thought the neo nazis who hate Jews leopards would eat MY face' poo poo.

Jim Mattis: Blood soaked psychopath who should be on trial for war crimes

John Kelly: Same, also a huge racist who was most known in the administration for being angry when a black woman didn't tap dance respectfully for him

McMaster: Once again same but mainly was angry Trump wasn't doing enough war against Korea and Iran

Why do we have to give a single poo poo about what any of them have to say again?

We don't. It's just the idea of them going on national television during prime time to say "Yeah Trump's an rear end in a top hat, also he said all of that poo poo" and the reactions it would evoke are hilarious.

Handsome Ralph
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Pick posted:

Uh.............. if that's the real photo, how do you deny that?

Have they found... this guy?

Oh it was a dumbshit bit that he did in 2012 that they decided not to air during the 2012 RNC but it was leaked shortly after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urFPm857tJA

It's as loving stupid as it sounds.

Handsome Ralph
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Technowrite posted:

Senator Palpatine has a Very Important Endorsement today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjA5lfrQUUM

Eat poo poo, Lieberman.

Oh my god, gently caress this guy.

Handsome Ralph
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TwoQuestions posted:

If he'd have done this, he'd be cruising to victory right now. I really don't understand why he downplayed a big dragon for him to slay, I really don't. It's done nothing but backfire on him, and if he at any time said "This China Virus is tougher than we thought!", his polls would improve. What's the worst that can happen for him, he pisses off his base? He could bash their kids' and parent's brains in with a lead pipe and they'll still go to every rally. Even for himself he's taken the worst road.

I just don't loving get it.

Look at Larry Hogan. He pretty much did this despite the Chuds in MD losing their poo poo over it. Until relatively recently, he was polling incredibly well for essentially doing the bare minimum you would expect of any responsible elected official (shut downs, mandatory masks, minimum enforcement, etc).

The only reason people are starting to turn on him is that he clearly has his sights set on 2024 so he's recently done things like wait for every school district in MD to announce virtual learning before saying that schools should just reopen, as well as denouncing BLM protests and cheerleading Trump on a conference call and proclaiming that the protests are fueled by paid agitators.

Handsome Ralph
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cr0y posted:

Wait what



:thejoke:

Handsome Ralph
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So this will have an effect on Florida
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1304502075741663232

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Craig K posted:

that's little rock, which means that even if that's true, the other three districts go r+50 and outvote them

No one expects AK to go blue, the point is that suburban districts might be breaking hard for Biden. If a relatively suburban district in deep Red AK is polling like that for Biden, it bodes well elsewhere. That's all it means.

Handsome Ralph
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Craig K posted:

fair enough; believe me, if arkansas goes biden i'm :toxx:ing that i'm going to upload myself signing Party In the USA to youtube :)

lol, this is probably the best toxx I've seen in a long while. A man can hope, right?

Handsome Ralph
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Rigel posted:

Well, it is possible for Biden to win Alaska, there are a few models that start to pull it in for massive blowouts. Some of the southern states though, like... Arkansas for example won't ever go for Biden.

:doh:

Alaska going blue would be a thing though.


Craig K posted:

don't worry, i didn't say anything because everybody makes that mistake; i've gotten used to it :p

It's a mistake I made in my old job on a regular enough basis that I thought I would have learned by now and yet...

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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More AZ polls

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1305487380183478274

Handsome Ralph
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Yeah 10 seems like a huge stretch for AZ, I could see 3-4, 6 at most.

Though saw one analysis that said it's possible AZ's shift from red to blue might have been masked by McCain (native son) and Romney (lots of LDS voters in AZ). Still, I don't see Biden winning AZ by double digits. Mark Kelly on the other hand...

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Rea posted:

https://twitter.com/Ad_Analytics/status/1305546161722462208

I think we can all agree: Biden moving TV ads into NE-2 is a bit strange, but understandable. Trump moving TV ad money into Nebraska makes no goddamned sense.

On a related note,
https://twitter.com/tamarakeithNPR/status/1305239804360167424

Handsome Ralph
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:

So...Quinnipiac appears to be in the business of killing GOP hopes and dreams this cycle.

MAINE: Gideon 54%, Collins 42%
SOUTH CAROLINA: Graham 48%, Harrison 48%
KENTUCKY: McConnell 53%, McGrath 41%

They just released these three Senate polls which are EYE-POPPING numbers.
:stare: Into my loving veins.

Full poll here,https://twitter.com/JamesArkin/status/1306295584291258369

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Telsa Cola posted:

Was talking to some folks about this but my theory is that everyone loving hates Mcsally which is having some effect and Trump has also alienated seniors who vote like crazy in AZ, and normally vote republican.

You add that to high participation in voting and well.


You also have Cindy McCain all but saying "Please vote for Biden". I get that we all agree McCain was a piece of poo poo, but the olds in AZ loved him and Trump making GBS threads all over him looks like it's finally backfiring somewhere.

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cr0y posted:

Was Boof before or after midterms?

Right before. You could make the argument it didn't do much for the senate but it sure as hell drove turnout a hell of a lot higher than anyone expected it to. If it was a presidential election year I can only imagine how much higher it would have been.

I mean just based off of how much money Dems have raised in the last 48 hours from small dollar contributions, if the Republicans are dumb enough to think rushing an appointment would somehow make things go well for them in November, lol.

Handsome Ralph
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No idea what this polls rating is but if it's any where close to decent, holy poo poo.

https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1308100324952018946


Caveat, lot of undecides and I don't necessarily expect Espy to win, but if makes the GOP sweat in Mississippi, all the better.

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https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1308392225391423488

Graham is still favored to win, but again, forcing the GOP to spend money in "Safe" states is not a bad thing. The fact that it's effectively a tie in loving SC with a little over a month to go is good.

TwoQuestions posted:

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1308367735336964096

I don't believe Biden can win a tie with Kemp counting the votes, but still, Georgia isn't a state Trump should have to fight for.

I'm foolishly, stupidly hoping the Dems can start competing in blood red States like this.

Agreed. Forgoing the 50 state strategy for so long was such a dumb loving move.

Handsome Ralph
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Delthalaz posted:

I’m inclined to think that extremely partisan rulings against mail-in voting will only increase democratic voters’ rage and motivation

You're not wrong, I mean look at what happened in Wisconsin earlier this year.

Handsome Ralph
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The MoE is 4.5% too, which, that isn't a reason to outright ignore the poll or Pollyanna the whole thing but it's a bit high for a state level poll, so take that into account.

It's also only slightly overlapping the RBG news by a couple of days. Wait for more polls to show an average and then everyone can start making GBS threads their pants. If it bothers you that much, get off the bench and do something to help.

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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Yeah I don't think the debates are going to realistically change anyone's minds unless one of them showed up on stage with a live boy or dead girl. And even then, I have my doubts.


So I saw this,
https://twitter.com/webster/status/1309499167740485634

I'm wondering if their internals show them doing really well in MN or if it's just the usual bluster.

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