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Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP





Ultra Carp

B-WINGS AND TIE DEFENDERS CONFIRMED

Way back in the 1990s during the height of the Star Wars EU boom, one of the most influential games of all time was released: Star Wars: TIE Fighter. Following on from the earlier Star Wars: X-Wing, TIE Fighter featured incredible dogfighting action that I've been told was very good and memorable. A number of games were subsequently introduced in the series, culminating in 1999's X-Wing: Alliance.

That same year, another game was introduced: Star Wars: Rogue Squadron. While much simpler than the X-Wing series, Rogue Squadron brought the world of Star Wars dogfights to consoles, and itself was highly influential on the developing world of arcade flight sims. Its GameCube sequel, Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader proved even more popular, with improved graphics, better gameplay, and even more starfighters. (Rumors of a third game in the series, featuring extremely ill-advised ground combat sections, are obviously false and shall not be discussed).

Sadly, in spite of the critical and commercial success of both series, the world of video game Star Wars dogfights has been effectively dead for the past two decades. That is... until now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0eRkhR1z6A

Star Wars: Squadrons is an upcoming game from EA's Motive Studio, previously responsible for Battlefront II's single-player campaign. Whether or not it will be the true successor to TIE Fighter or Rogue Squadron we've all been waiting for is yet to be determined, but boy howdy I sure hope it is!

Things we currently know:

  • Single-player campaign (god I hate I have to specify this is a feature)
  • 5v5 PVP and PVE multiplayer dogfights, with different modes including Fleet Battles (Take down the enemy flagship, with bonus AI enemies and allies) and Dogfight (Kill enemy fighters)
  • Allegedly no microtransactions
  • Full VR support for PC and PS4
  • Cross play support
  • Upgrades for your fighters and pilot (Both cosmetic and functional) unlocked via gameplay, with weapon and system upgrades providing benefits and drawbacks as opposed to being strictly better.
  • Power management!
  • Weapon convergence!
  • Newtonian physics!

Lots more in this article:

https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1273763419850670081?s=20

Ship list currently appears to be:
  • X-Wing
  • A-Wing
  • Y-Wing
  • U-Wing
  • TIE Fighter
  • TIE Interceptor
  • TIE Bomber
  • TIE Reaper

It's been hinted there will be more playable ships, though nothing has been confirmed for now (Though a Lambda shuttle did show up in the gameplay trailer).

Site is here, Steam page is here

Screenshots and other jazz:



Gameplay Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCcfJ9uEwvs

Preview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV7-KoVxtc8

"gently caress why isn't there a Rogue Squadron TV series like this" trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2VmOqjV_7Q

DISCORD LINKS:

Marvelous Goons Gaming Discord

https://discord.gg/wy96Bfs

VR Goon Discord

https://discord.gg/AUUcR9n

Air Goons (FlightSim/SpaceSim) Goons

https://discord.gg/NwCEVgR

How To Play/What's This Game About

BogDew posted:

Well here's my napkin guide :

The game is meant to be played with a communicating team, so trying to solo a bombing run is always going to end in tears. Only way to survive is to play cautiously and pull back as soon as you get your ordinance off, you're not likely to get enough speed in time to escape if you're stuck in the middle.

In groups, definitely having a support ship in tow is one way to make Bombers get through a pass in one hit. A shield boost / resupply can really boost the odds, especially when using weapons with limited supply.

Ion weapons will knock out shields pretty quickly. Multi-rockets are very good at taking out a ton of turrets in one hit and are usually a good followup once shields are down. Dumbfire rockets also are a good pick as they come in packs of 30.

Another tactic is to fly in incredibly close and unload at point blank in a blind spot. The Rebel main ship is notoriously vulnerable for this as it's firing arcs aren't that decent, especially around the power supply spine, it's possible to park under the shields and unload.

As for general ships.

X-Wings/TIEs - All rounder and escort. Use missiles to pin down interceptors. If you're a good pilot, fly under shields and snipe at subsystems.

A-wing/Interceptor - Fast and annoying, but fragile. Main advantage is the stealth abilities so you can be sneaky and snipe in some hits and buzz off out of range. And mines.

Y-Wing/Bomber - Dish out the capital damage. You have to take out the shields before your torpedoes/bombs do any real damage. Good flying can mean you can sneak under the shields and do direct hits. Plus smacking down people with ions never gets old.

U-Wing/Reaper - Support class and sometimes bomber. Don't think about dog fighting. Your main focus is to fly around giving everyone shield and resupplies (set targeting to allies).
The game will highlight who needs health and automatically target if you are delivering shields. Additionally you can dump pickups in the field. You also have a tractor beam that is good fun to pin down interceptors.

Surprisingly people don't bother targeting you as you're not directly attacking them and you can usually dump power into shields and scuttle away. Survival rate is increased if you hang back just behind the main line.
You can also function fairly nicely as extra bomber as you have a larger supply of munitions.

Update 11/18: B-WINGS:

https://twitter.com/EAStarWars/status/1329107405561606145?s=20

Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jan 14, 2021

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BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!


B-wing or bust.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



Am I crazy or did I catch a brief glimpse of my main man WEDGE ANTILLES in that trailer? There was a pilot with a bunch of deltas on his helmet.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP





Ultra Carp

man though I cannot believe after all these years we're finally getting another Star Wars dogfighting game. Can't wait to find out how EA's going to disappoint me

Gameplay reveal is currently planned for the 18th. Game comes out October 2nd.

Pre order bonuses are all cosmetic skins:

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005






I legit hope we have power management.

Edit: they are going to clear out the rest of the PSVR inventory with this thing.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP





Ultra Carp

BigglesSWE posted:

B-wing or bust.

My guess is that B-Wings (And TIE Defenders) are gonna be DLC. Ironically much like in the original X-Wing

MA-Horus posted:

Am I crazy or did I catch a brief glimpse of my main man WEDGE ANTILLES in that trailer? There was a pilot with a bunch of deltas on his helmet.

That definitely looked like Wedge, yeah.

e:

magiccarpet posted:

I legit hope we have power management.

It will! I should add that to the OP.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!


magiccarpet posted:

I legit hope we have power management.

Edit: they are going to clear out the rest of the PSVR inventory with this thing.

Her line "Giving engines full power!" seem to indicate that.

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005






Star Wars™: Squadrons full gameplay reveal @ EA Play Live, June 18, 4pm PDT

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009


How the hell does a game have only 5v5 in 2020

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP





Ultra Carp

Charliegrs posted:

How the hell does a game have only 5v5 in 2020

I've been wondering that myself. The specific blurb from EA's site is: "Compete in intense 5v5 dogfights, unite with your squadron to tip the scales in monumental fleet battles, and take off in a thrilling Star Wars™ single-player story," so maybe 5v5 is just one specific game mode, and fleet battles will have more? Hopefully the gameplay reveal has more info on that.

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.



I'm pissed off to learn that it actually has VR support so now I have to hope it's a good game instead of smugly dismissing it as another EA disaster before it even comes out

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007



BigglesSWE posted:

B-wing or bust.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

At the end of 2018, a study was published by London Metropolitan University showing that certain bacteria, normally present only in intestinal tracts or feces, were found on McDonald's self-service screens.




FBS posted:

I'm pissed off to learn that it actually has VR support so now I have to hope it's a good game instead of smugly dismissing it as another EA disaster before it even comes out

The VR mission they released for Battlefront was pretty solid.

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005






First time I'll be buying a joystick in about 20 years.

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007


Do the U-wing fill a specialized role or is it simply a souped up X-wing in the lore?

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

Sylphosaurus posted:

Do the U-wing fill a specialized role or is it simply a souped up X-wing in the lore?

Its a troop transport. It looks like both teams will get 3 fighters that fill specific roles and then likely an objective type ship that might be used in certain mission types.

A-wing & Interceptor = Fast kill shooty ships
Y-wing & Tie Bomber = Heavy ships
X-wing & Tie Fighter = all rounders (even tho the Tie Interceptor should just be strictly better)
U-wing & Tie Reaper = troop transports

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007



Gamespot have an article up with some details from a press release.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-squadrons-revealed-with-crossplay-single/1100-6478468/

quote:

Squadrons will feature "rich" cosmetic and game-affecting customization options. Players will earn these cosmetics through gameplay exclusively, EA said.

Hmm.

Zushio
May 8, 2008


I will be hugely disappointed if the B-Wing does not show up in this game.

Also, Wedge is the only good Star Wars character. I read the X-Wing books so many times as a kid all my copies are falling apart. Both the Rogue and Wraith sequences.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!


Zushio posted:



Also, Wedge is the only good Star Wars character. I read the X-Wing books so many times as a kid all my copies are falling apart. Both the Rogue and Wraith sequences.

Ace Azzameen would like to have a word...
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ace_Azzameen

X-Wing Alliance was my goddamn childhood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_u-F57uzBQ

The thrilling experience of a private transporting company!

BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jun 15, 2020

Atarask
Mar 8, 2008

Lord of Rigel Developer

This looks... good? Like what EA should be doing with Star Wars?

Although I do have to laugh at a skin that's a yellow stripe on a TIE Fighter.

"Add a red stripe! $4.99 DLC!"

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)

Taco Defender

Charliegrs posted:

How the hell does a game have only 5v5 in 2020

MOBA

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

THIS NEW AV WILL LET ME POST LIZARD TITS TWICE AS EFFICIENTLY!

IT'S GIVING ME A FUCKING BONER RIGHT NOW!


I can't wait to bomb some dodongos Star Destroyers!

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


That Engine/Guns/Shields meter at 0:17 takes me back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ESg7PmiLNo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td5VCETVoJM

And put this goddamn masterpiece in the OP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

Arcsquad12 fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 15, 2020

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

THIS NEW AV WILL LET ME POST LIZARD TITS TWICE AS EFFICIENTLY!

IT'S GIVING ME A FUCKING BONER RIGHT NOW!


Seriously though 5v5 better not be the biggest mode for real.


Come on, dawg.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters



Excellent choice of Star Wars music for the trailer. I've always enjoyed that section from ESB

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013





Chomp8645 posted:

Seriously though 5v5 better not be the biggest mode for real.


Come on, dawg.

id be really surprised if there arent AI fighters alongside human players during matches. But i doubt the player count will get higher even with the big fleet battles. Guess we'll find out soon enough tho

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

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IT'S GIVING ME A FUCKING BONER RIGHT NOW!


ScootsMcSkirt posted:

But i doubt the player count will get higher even with the big fleet battles.

Why? The Battlefront 2 starfighters mode is 12v12 (humans, bots are on top of that) and spaceships were basically a secondary mode in that game. There is no reason they couldn't do much more.

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013





Chomp8645 posted:

Why? The Battlefront 2 starfighters mode is 12v12 (humans, bots are on top of that) and spaceships were basically a secondary mode in that game. There is no reason they couldn't do much more.

mostly cause if they were gonna have more players in other modes, they would have advertised it as 12v12 with smaller 5v5 modes rather than saying its 5v5 from the get-go. Maybe they wanted to make sure that individual players would have an obvious impact on the battle but again, we will find out sooner or later. For the record, while i would like more players, i think a 5v5 fleet mode can be fun and chaotic if they handle it correctly

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014




Hell Gem

I'm guessing it's 5v5 because that's the esports number.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

Have to see how the game plays, but I don't mind a first person only flight sim being 5v5. There is likely going to be AI ships as well, and something like 12v12 could just devolve into group shooting enemy ships.

SeXReX
Jan 9, 2009

I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet




Waiting for a big lobby to fill up and then dying early in the round so you can start waiting again sure sounds like a real good time

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

THIS NEW AV WILL LET ME POST LIZARD TITS TWICE AS EFFICIENTLY!

IT'S GIVING ME A FUCKING BONER RIGHT NOW!


SeXReX posted:

Waiting for a big lobby to fill up and then dying early in the round so you can start waiting again sure sounds like a real good time

???

I really would not imagine that they are going to do single-life rounds. I mean it's not impossible, but I'd rate it almost a given that you will be dying and respawning. If they do single-spawns surely it will be only for a specific "competitive" mode.

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009



howe_sam posted:

Excellent choice of Star Wars music for the trailer. I've always enjoyed that section from ESB

It's my favorite theme in the whole series.

SyRauk
Jun 21, 2007

The Persian Menace

I'm more concerned that it's first-person only. I appreciate them trying to make it "immersive" because of the VR aspect but I really want my 3rd person BF2 SFA perspective. I tried playing in cockpit mode in BF2 and it's really hard to see what the hell is going on especially in ships like the A-Wing. I'd be totally fine if only VR players were required to play in FP mode but I don't really care for VR, especially because not everything appears "sharp" and you have that annoying screen door effect causing even more problems.

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018


Jerkface posted:

Have to see how the game plays, but I don't mind a first person only flight sim being 5v5. There is likely going to be AI ships as well, and something like 12v12 could just devolve into group shooting enemy ships.

Infinity Battlegrounds when it was still alive, 3-4 guys in a formation would just wreck.

I'm kind of interested in what they have planned for this in terms of gameplay and time to kill, current 5v5 Mobas and CS:GO/Overwatch are either based on longer periods of you not dying or 1 death and out. Deathmatch arena does not seem to be at all popular these days either.

Hard to see either model working in a space sim shooter which you would think would be better served by being more akin to a BF style game.

Or maybe it's EA and they are going to nickel and dime us with expansions that add more players/modes/objective based maps and f2p the base game at some point.

jarlywarly fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jun 15, 2020

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005






SeXReX posted:

Waiting for a big lobby to fill up and then dying early in the round so you can start waiting again sure sounds like a real good time

somebody didn't dial into the Internet Gaming Zone

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

SyRauk posted:

I'm more concerned that it's first-person only. I appreciate them trying to make it "immersive" because of the VR aspect but I really want my 3rd person BF2 SFA perspective. I tried playing in cockpit mode in BF2 and it's really hard to see what the hell is going on especially in ships like the A-Wing. I'd be totally fine if only VR players were required to play in FP mode but I don't really care for VR, especially because not everything appears "sharp" and you have that annoying screen door effect causing even more problems.

This looks like its trying to scratch a very particular itch which has been neglected for a long time, which is the xwing/tie fighter gameplay. Those games were primarily played first person. I personally think they should make a rogue squadron successor as well as this, cuz I know people like third person.

But yea this isn't first person because of "VR", its first person because X-Wing and Tie Fighter should be played from the cockpit baby!

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Dinosaur Gum

Zushio posted:

I will be hugely disappointed if the B-Wing does not show up in this game.

Also, Wedge is the only good Star Wars character. I read the X-Wing books so many times as a kid all my copies are falling apart. Both the Rogue and Wraith sequences.

Ewok pilot or bust. Yub yub commander.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010



I hope this turns out good.



*flashes arm tattoo*

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Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

At the end of 2018, a study was published by London Metropolitan University showing that certain bacteria, normally present only in intestinal tracts or feces, were found on McDonald's self-service screens.




George H.W. oval office posted:

I hope this turns out good.



*flashes arm tattoo*

You know there won’t be anything half as cool as the secret order.

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