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MorrisBae
Jan 18, 2020
I LOVE SPREADING CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT WOMEN

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME


Jerusalem posted:

mfcrocker posted:

Could we perhaps get a moratorium on speculation around people who haven't been mentioned in accusations or haven't made statements themselves? I know we're all nervous that our favourite wrestlers are gonna turn out to be baddies, but I think focusing on the stuff actually being said is probably more productive.

RealFoxy posted:

Speculating on why certain people or promotions haven't spoken out who were close to abusers is going to just lead to nothing but more misery based exclusively on speculation. This is all hosed, think about how upset you are as a fan and then try and put yourself in the shoes of someone who knew these people. They might have known something, they might have been oblivious but don't lash out at the people saying nothing until you have a reason to.

This seems necessary, there are plenty of very real accusations being made about people that can be discussed, endlessly speculating about what MIGHT be still to come or what somebody's non-reaction (so far) MIGHT mean seems like it is only going to end causing a lot of potentially unnecessary drama. By all means, the moment something actually comes out then please talk away, but stuff like the earlier musings on what Candice LeRae or ZSJ might have known/done/covered up/been unaware of is entirely unnecessary and unhelpful.

IN OTHER WORDS: THERE IS A MORATORIUM ON SPECULATION ON WHAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE DONE/KNOWN. CONCENTRATE ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO KNOW/ACCUSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

https://twitter.com/wresnocontext/s...652445491744768

List of accused:

Aaron Epic (second accuser)

Abel Stevens

Adam Gismondi

Adam Lash

Alex Box

Alex Castle

Alex Cuevas (second accuser) (third accuser)

Alex Cupid

Alex Shane (second accuser) (third accuser)

Alexander Dean

Amasis

Andy Dalton (second accuser) (third accuser)

Andy Simmonz

Austin Aries (second accuser)

Austin Theory

Ayden Cristiano

Bart Kapitzke

Bea Priestly

Big Grizzly Steve Griffiths (second accuser)

Big Zeus

Bram

Brandon Espinosa

Brandon Stroud (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser) (Archive Part 1)

Bravehart (David Low)

Brian Dixon

Brian Fury

Brock Lesnar

Bryan Idol (Earl Cooter)

Bryce Remsburg (second accuser)

Bull James

Buster Jackson

Byron Wilcott (Big Daddy Yum Yum) (second accuser)

Chase Owens

Chasyn Rance

Chaz Herrera

Chris Hamrick

Chris Roberts

Cieran Donnelly

Colt Cabana

Craig West

Crixus (Luke Scoular)

Curt Stallion

Cyanide

Dameon Slugga

Damien Darling

Damian Dunne

Dan Maff (second accuser)

Daniel Edler (second accuser)

Daniel Randall

Danny Hudson (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser)

Danny O'Doherty (Archive Part 1) (Archive Part 2)

Darby Allin (second accuser) (third accuser) (Archive Part 1)

Darkside

Darrell Allen (second accuser)

Dave Crist (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser)

Dave Lagana

David Graves

David Starr (second accuser)

Declan Kellett

DJ Hyde (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser) (fifth accuser)

El Ligero (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser)

Eli Everfly

Eric Corvis

Firebird Kelvin Stevenson

Francisco Ciatso

Frank Miller

Gabe Sapolsky (second accuser)

Gary Vanderhorne

Gene Okerlund

Glen Joseph

Greg Burridge

Hade Vansen

Harrison Bourne

Harvey Dale

Henry T. Grodd

Icarus

Irvin Legend

Jack Gallagher (second accuser)

Jack Sexsmith

Jam O'Malley

James Davis (second accuser)

James Finn

James Gallagher

James R. Kennedy (Archive Part 1)

Jason Saint

Jason Skinner

Jay Bradley

Jay Lethal

Jeff Duncan

Jim Cornette and Stacey Cornette (second accuser)

Jimmy Havoc (second accuser) (third accuser)

Joe Coffey

Joel Allen

Joey Axl

Joey Ozbourne

Joey Ryan (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser) (fifth accuser) (sixth accuser) (seventh accuser) (eighth accuser) (ninth accuser) (tenth accuser) (eleventh accuser) (twelfth accuser) (thirteenth accuser) (fourteenth accuser) (fifteenth accuser) (sixteenth accuser)

Johnathan Wolf

John Parker

John Zorthos

Jonny Storm

Jordan Chase

Jordan Devlin (Archive Part 1) (Archive Part 2) (Archive Part 3)

Josh Bodom (second accuser)

Josh Briggs

Justin Roberts (Archive Part 1)

Kayam

Kid Fite

Killian Jacobs

Kimo (Steven Balla)

Kindred Kymari

Kobald (Anthony Wilson) (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser)

Kongo Kong

Kyle Hawk (second accuser)

Kyle Kraynick

Lanny Poffo

Larry Dallas

Lewis Girvan

Lucus Steel

Malcom Monroe III

Mance Warner

Marc "Paz" Perry (second accuser)

Mark Adam Haggerty

Mark Dallas

Markus Crane

Martin Zaki (second accuser) (third accuser)

Marty Scurll (second accuser)

Matt Riddle (second accuser) (third accuser)

Maxwell Jacob Friedman

Michael Elgin

Mick Romeo

Mike King

Mike Quackenbush (second accuser) (third accuser) (fourth accuser) (fifth accuser) (sixth accuser) (seventh accuser)

Mikey Whiplash (second accuser)

Monsta Mack

Nick Ashberry

Ophidian

Orlando Jordan (second accuser)

Pablo Marquez

Paul Littlewood

Paul Robinson

Peter Staniforth

Peter Versosa

Prince Asad

Pyro (Alex Pownall)

Raven

Ricardo Rodriguez (second accuser)

Rick Cataldo

Rob Teutul

Ross Watson

Russell Dempster

Ryan Smile

Sal Hamaoui

Samantha Heights

Sammy Guevara (second accuser)

Sanjay Bagga

Saraya Knight (second accuser) (third accuser)

Scotty Davis

Sid Scala

Slyck Wagner Brown

Stephen Hughes (detailed story)

Steve DeMarco

Steven Fludder (Archive Part 1)

Stixx (Paul Grint) (Archive Part 1) (Archive Part 2) (Archive Part 3)

Suede Thompson

Super Beetle

Tatanka

Teddy Hart (second accuser)

Tiger McGuigan (Archive Part 1) (Archive Part 2) (Archive Part 3)

Tim Birkett

Travis Banks (second accuser)

Trent Seven (second accuser)

Trevin Adams

Tripp Cassidy

Tukay (Kane Thomas)

Tyler Bate (second accuser) (third accuser) (Archive Part 1) (Archive Part 2)

Urban Warrior (Ron Wilkinson)

Velveteen Dream (second accuser)

Vince McMahon

Vince Russo (Archive Part 1) (Archive Part 2)

Will Ospreay

Wolfgang (Archive Part 1)

Xander Cooper

Zachary Cooper

MorrisBae fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 3, 2020

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Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





https://twitter.com/ExposeWrestling...659425878880257

Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jun 19, 2020

TTBF
Sep 14, 2005





https://twitter.com/meowdyxyall/sta...731321798541313

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





James (Darkside) Gallagher

https://twitter.com/giaprowres/stat...731951757873152

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

BROTHER I WANT YOU TO JOIN THE DSA AND SUBSCRIBE TO THE AWARD WINNING WWE NETWORK FOR ONLY $9.99 A MONTH


https://twitter.com/ziggyhaim/statu...728501913436162

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

Excuse me, I'd like to
speak to the moderator


Cancel wrestling

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





Jack Sexsmith
https://twitter.com/SierraLoxton/st...736294338789376

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006


Xander Cooper with some real horrid poo poo

https://twitter.com/holliebarlow_/s...9125630982?s=19

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009


https://twitter.com/Colohue/status/1273736117242736644

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

Excuse me, I'd like to
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MLW's Zach Cooper

https://twitter.com/_lucialee3/stat...685221951627265

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004






Lipstick Apathy


I think the "Jimmy" here is James Davis, not Havoc, going by her other tweets on the subject.

Havoc is a dickhead but he hasn't been outed as an abuser (yet?).

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




https://twitter.com/meowdyxyall/sta...5635832832?s=20

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

GET BACK UP

My takeaway is that at no point has women's wrestling training stopped being an in for abusers, the abusers just changed. People loving suck.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

Excuse me, I'd like to
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Nobody named but I'm sharing it because women can abuse men too

https://twitter.com/WILLof1k/status/1273738295332216848

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008



History Comes Inside! posted:

I think the "Jimmy" here is James Davis, not Havoc, going by her other tweets on the subject.

Havoc is a dickhead but he hasn't been outed as an abuser (yet?).

He's told his trainees to kill themselves before so theres that

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

Excuse me, I'd like to
speak to the moderator


Another victim speaking out against Josh Bodom

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




https://twitter.com/meowdyxyall/sta...7262077952?s=20

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006



Jesus Christ everything I've heard about Bodom is the loving worst. How was he around for so long?

TomWaitsForNoMan
May 28, 2003

By Any Means Necessary


KungFu Grip posted:

He's told his trainees to kill themselves before so theres that

and I've never heard of Davis being referred to as "Jimmy". his nickname was "JD"

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008



Ziggy Tzardust posted:

Jesus Christ everything I've heard about Bodom is the loving worst. How was he around for so long?

literally got blackballed for being such a piece of poo poo until it was like only revpro booking him because he was buddies with either the head booker or sha shamuels until he shot on that ref

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





https://twitter.com/DebbieKeitel/st...725953525547017

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





Owner of Fight Club PRO
https://twitter.com/ExposeWrestling...740436520255495

the escape goat
Apr 16, 2008

What a week it's been.
So much to talk about.
And so many things we can't talk about.



Pillbug

RIPTIDE built their promotion around Sexsmith initially; loving hell. I hope they had no clue.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

Excuse me, I'd like to
speak to the moderator


History Comes Inside! posted:

I think the "Jimmy" here is James Davis, not Havoc, going by her other tweets on the subject.

Havoc is a dickhead but he hasn't been outed as an abuser (yet?).

Jimmy Havoc

https://twitter.com/katsandcrows/st...741835362582532

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004






Lipstick Apathy


There we go then. stinkyhole.

ShallNoiseUpon
Sep 10, 2010




Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/beyondwrestling...713065377378309

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

Excuse me, I'd like to
speak to the moderator


https://twitter.com/vivalavienta/st...743395102453760

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012


Brandon Stroud is currently attempting to post through it

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





NXTUK talent and trainer Sid Scala
https://twitter.com/MariahMayx/stat...717627689590786

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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speak to the moderator


OctoberCountry posted:

Brandon Stroud is currently attempting to post through it

Thread presented without comment

https://twitter.com/MrBrandonStroud...740777454100480

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Iím making a spreadsheet to keep all this straight. If you wanna help maintain it HMU on Twitter

I want to keep editors to minimum but the eventual goal is to create a public global blacklist so we donít have to keep doing this poo poo.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.





Thomas Sharp

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008
Good luck with your depression!


Chris James 2 posted:

Thomas Sharp


now that's good reffing

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008



Figured something was up with him when the Rory Gulak news was going around and i tweeted about and he went into my dms and threatened me then blocked me, Sharp aka Blaster McMassive from Chikara 2015 would have fit that one guys posts from earlier that i assumed was Kevin Condron/Jervis CottonBelly

KungFu Grip fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jun 18, 2020

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Craig West

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

POSTING RONIN




loving hell, this is terrible, I feel sorry for all of the victims, that they never felt comfortable speaking up and it had to go on for so long until it reaches some moment like this.

Everyone with credible accusations should be immediately punted from the business, encouraged to do whatever kind of amends they can to their victims (if those roads are open), and every promotion needs to publicly address these behaviors and outline how they're going to handle grievances and encourage reporting of harassment/assault in the future along with zero tolerance policies, regardless of how many loving stupid t-shirts you sell.

I feel sick in a way, but some of that is just a weary "not surprised" by any of it, because of the nature and origins of the business, the thin margins so much of it operates on, and how protected a draw can be by management. I hate all of this poo poo, and I hope everyone who has been abused and hurt gets some kind of peace of mind.

Pinche Rudo
Feb 8, 2005



Edit- Duplicative post.

Good on these women to speak out. I can only imagine how terrifying it must be for the young trainees to deal with this. They're just teenagers for fucks sake!!

Pinche Rudo fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 18, 2020

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

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Jay Bradley

https://twitter.com/StephanieHypes/...750450144075776

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008



Distinctly remember Allysin Kay i think call him a piece of poo poo? Someone in TNA that called him scum as he bounced in and out of the promotion trying to sleep with them

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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Let's not forget JBL and his "hazing" in the WWE locker room

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