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EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



Yeah itís probably the most poorly aged scene of any film released that year.

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Ivypls
Aug 24, 2019




someone tell joey that meltdown may is next month

Red is Dead
Apr 28, 2008

The great and devious UltraMantis Black hides from no man, woman, beast, or unearthly spirit.

So the U.K. parliament has rendered a decision, following an enquiry after the ďmetro allegations. It included some pro wrestlers on the committee, providing real world examples.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/08/mps-say-wrestling-is-a-sport-in-training-schools-but-shows-are-theatre?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Itís a sport when youíre in training, but theatre when the show starts...

I kind of get the idea behind it, but Jesus Christ lads, come down on one side or the other...

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

CUTEST IN THE WORLD
QUEEN OF THE SIMPS
RARITY-CHAN





It's about the legal ramifications. Classing schools as a sport means they have to follow UK safeguarding law but classing the shows as sport would have their own set of legal ramifications that wouldn't be possible with what pro wrestling is (like it being illegal to fix results)

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011







Rarity posted:

It's about the legal ramifications. Classing schools as a sport means they have to follow UK safeguarding law but classing the shows as sport would have their own set of legal ramifications that wouldn't be possible with what pro wrestling is (like it being illegal to fix results)

Yeah, and also, this is kinda one of the best decisions they could have come up with, because 'sport when you're training and theatre when you're performing' is basically what professional wrestling is really

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.




Yeah, this is about as good a hybrid decision as you could get in terms of safeguarding.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!


Jerusalem posted:

Also putting aside all the obvious reasons for how monstrous that tweet is, the guy in that scene Joey is likening himself to literally sets up a webcam to secretly film this girl naked and share the video with his friends.
Oh my God. I was so caught up in the awfulness of the "all these women said I sexually assaulted them, but in actuality I jizz in my pants the second a woman touches me" implications of him posting the meme that I completely blanked on the non-consensual porn part of that scene.

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IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

Red is Dead posted:

So the U.K. parliament has rendered a decision, following an enquiry after the ďmetro allegations. It included some pro wrestlers on the committee, providing real world examples.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/08/mps-say-wrestling-is-a-sport-in-training-schools-but-shows-are-theatre?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Itís a sport when youíre in training, but theatre when the show starts...

I kind of get the idea behind it, but Jesus Christ lads, come down on one side or the other...

Its worth clarifying what exactly this is: since its not really "parliament rendering a decision" and while its an important development I've seen its importance be exaggerated.

There was an all-party parliamentary group for Pro Wrestling formed a couple of years ago now: an APPG is an informal group featuring MPs from across parliament that have a common area of interest: there are All-Party groups representing Christianity or Humanism or Homelessness or a litany of areas. They don't have a formal legislative purpose: their role is to commission research on areas where Parliament could legislate on a certain area and to advocate for the interests of that community - a few years ago there was a scandal involving people involved with an APPG taking money from companies in that area and concern about the groups potentially being used to subvert lobbying rules and while that doesn't seem to be the case for the Pro Wrestling group it is worth keeping in mind that one of the main purposes of this group is to lobby in favour of the industry within Parliament.

The report makes some very sensible policy suggestions: there's one where they mention bringing the Health and Safety Executive in to set minimum standards when it comes to safety of things like rings and other core parts of wrestling which are very logical, as would having a standard construction listed in the BSI that promoters had to follow. The stuff about shows being considered entertainment while training is sport is important because the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill (which is mostly terrible and shouldn't pass) extends the duty of care provision when it comes to consent and sex to sports coaches and that would be the easiest way to protect young people from abuse - often these weird things that sound contradictory have legal purpose behind them. Also if it was designed as a sport they'd probably have to have some sort of licensing body like boxing and MMA have and, well look at my first point: that'd be expensive to promoters and this is a group designed to represent their interests. They also mention that the scene is incredibly divided and that you realistically need unity in order to get real change but, well, good luck with that one unless a lot of people go out of business. There are some negative parts to this: it doesn't really go into Speaking Out in any real detail (and in fact certain people with allegations against them are mentioned in a positive light in this thing); WWE weren't involved and I suspect they'd fight being subject to any additional restrictions and I don't know how viable a lot of the recommendations are.

The next step relies on either the Government or Parliament to act - and realistically it has to be the former since Private Members Bills (legislation not initiated by the government but instead by a backbench MP) have an incredibly low chance of passing even if they are on something that's very popular since some arsehole Tory MP would probably filibuster them. I could see the government providing support on some of the technical changes that they suggest: things that would already be possible under current laws such as the HSE/BSI stuff on rings mentioned above: that's as simple as getting some civil servants to put together a standard probably with consultation from people in the industry. The fundamental issue though is that is as far as I think they'd go: anything that requires actual legislation would need the support of Government and I don't know how likely they are to legislate on stuff designed to protect an industry that's, well, not that went regarded in the general public. The Minister for Sport put out a "we welcome the report and want a strong wrestling industry" statement that they put out for everything but until I see actions I would suspect that this is as far as things are going. The other fundamental issue is the WWE thing: they would oppose anything that restricts them and would lobby against it and I suspect that lobbying would be incredibly successful at stopping any major change.

Tl;dr: the report is important but I don't think you can take it as being a sign of there being any real change and other than the change currently going through Parliament I suspect you'll not see any new legislation.

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