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If you can’t think of 100 wrestlers today better than Marty, you just need to watch more companies one time
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rotinaj posted:am i wrong or is cancellation misspelled in that, too Either way is correct  The 2 L version is pretty common but 1 L is still correct as I've always understood it.
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I'd like to imagine he got in because he was 1/3rd of the ROH World Six Man Tag Team Champion for slightly under 2 weeks of 2020.
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Yeah, that feels like "we're a kayfabe publication so like he fits there but we know he shouldn't be there but instead of doing the logical thing and just leaving him off we're gonna do this."
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Tonfa posted:The list has never had any artistic value. It's just wrestlers the average Western fan is most likely able to name and they don't actually think about anything when compiling it One year had both Hijo de Fantasma and King Cuerno in at separate spots (it's the same guy) and also talked about how good AR Fox was on Lucha Underground as Killshot (Killshot was Shane Strickland).
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, that feels like "we're a kayfabe publication so like he fits there but we know he shouldn't be there but instead of doing the logical thing and just leaving him off we're gonna do this."
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Sep 2, 2020 20:10
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StarkRavingMad posted:One year had both Hijo de Fantasma and King Cuerno in at separate spots (it's the same guy) and also talked about how good AR Fox was on Lucha Underground as Killshot (Killshot was Shane Strickland).
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davidbix posted:The best one was when NJPW had picked up momentum in the west again and they ranked Hiroyoshi Tenzan near the top because they confused him with Hiroshi Tanahashi. Maybe Suzaku was an editor there will be maybe three people who get that joke
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StarkRavingMad posted:One year had both Hijo de Fantasma and King Cuerno in at separate spots (it's the same guy) and also talked about how good AR Fox was on Lucha Underground as Killshot (Killshot was Shane Strickland). It's not the PWI 500 if there isn't at least one glaring mistake. It's become a bit of a running joke. davidbix posted:Hasn't been a kayfabe publication in years, but the 500 is still more "accomplishments" than "who's the best peformer." It''s always been who's had the "best" year during the rankings period (usually something like July to July). Ability plays into it, but not as much as titles won/held, caliber of opponents/feuds, and main event appearances. PWI has also issued an apology. https://twitter.com/OfficialPWI/status/1301243032591888386?s=20 https://twitter.com/OfficialPWI/status/1301243034361827329?s=20 https://twitter.com/OfficialPWI/status/1301243036253540353?s=20 https://twitter.com/OfficialPWI/status/1301243038111395840?s=20 https://twitter.com/OfficialPWI/status/1301243039097196548?s=20
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Christ, I thought that was Mad Kurt trolling with a photoshop; I can’t believe it’s real
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Davros1 posted:It's not the PWI 500 if there isn't at least one glaring mistake. It's become a bit of a running joke. "as long as a rapist is pushed hard and booked strong they're in!" is a hell of a line of reasoning
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Davros1 posted:
You know, it seems pretty sincere in its feeling that they tried their best to make the right call in an tough situation and recognize that a lot of people are telling them they hosed up. I can appreciate that. That said, it seems like the obvious solution would have been to not rank the Accused But Not Fired you thought deserved to be on the list and list them in a footnote that makes it clear WHY you're not including them despite thinking they were good enough.
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Seriously, it's not difficult. "You may notice some names are conspicuous in their absences - several names that otherwise may have been ranked have been deliberately omitted due to the nature of the allegations against them. At the PWI Offices, we choose to support the victims and prioritise their voices. If you have an objection to the decisions we have made regarding the matter, we strongly urge you to contact organisations such as RAINN or Rape Crisis England & Wales, and access the educational resources that such organisations offer. Perhaps this may provide some perspective for you as to why we have chosen to believe the victims. We believe that there is no place for sexual abuse or assault in the industry that we cover. This would also be an opportunity for us to apologise to the victims of any wrestlers we have profiled in our previous publications, prior to these allegations being brought to our collective attention. We are sorry that you had to suffer in silence for so long, we are sorry that this happened to you to begin with, and we are sorry that we may have contributed to the perpetuation of their actions through our coverage." edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Sanguinia posted:That said, it seems like the obvious solution would have been to not rank the Accused But Not Fired you thought deserved to be on the list and list them in a footnote that makes it clear WHY you're not including them despite thinking they were good enough. Or just not do the 500 list this year and say exactly why. Sells less copies, though. Are there even 500 people in the industry without accusations right now?
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Sep 3, 2020 13:41
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Looks like Clones Clone might finally make the top 500.
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EL BROMANCE posted:Or just not do the 500 list this year and say exactly why. Sells less copies, though. Are there even 500 people in the industry without accusations right now? Yes, but a lot of them are in Japan and Mexico, so they're out of the running
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EL BROMANCE posted:Or just not do the 500 list this year and say exactly why. Sells less copies, though. Are there even 500 people in the industry without accusations right now? I think expecting PWI not to sell the only issue every year that people buy is a bit naive.
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Sep 3, 2020 20:03
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Well yes, that's what my middle sentence was alluding to. It, like everything, was done for monetary gain and they probably had the apology written up before it even went to print.
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Sep 3, 2020 20:11
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Not sure if this is an appropriate thread for this, but Abadon talking about some poo poo Al Snow said to her including one particularly disgusting remark. https://twitter.com/abadon_AEW/status/1301968327586312192
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Sep 4, 2020 20:59
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The fact that Al loving Snow gets to be a powerful/influential trainer is even more proof that this industry needs real regulation
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https://twitter.com/abadon_AEW/status/1301971135282769920?s=20
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Sep 4, 2020 21:03
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 useless gently caress
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Pylons posted:Not sure if this is an appropriate thread for this, but Abadon talking about some poo poo Al Snow said to her including one particularly disgusting remark. I bet he would have never said that "too fat for flips" bullshit to Bam Bam Bigelow or Vader. Al Snow loving sucks.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:09
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Al Snow suuuuuuuuuuuuucks
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Sep 4, 2020 21:21
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Critical posted:
Wait do they mean this Neville Southall? 
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Rarity posted:Wait do they mean this Neville Southall? pretty sure it's someone from the board taking the piss. they used to use all sorts of ridiculous names for those questions
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Sep 4, 2020 21:39
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Critical posted:
Blessed image
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Sep 5, 2020 00:12
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Yeah, gently caress Al Snow for that bullshit.
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Sep 5, 2020 01:15
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Critical posted:
Where's the lie?
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Sep 5, 2020 02:32
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Usually in the comments for even heinous stuff like this, there are always a few people agreeing with the obvious shithead. Not here. Every single comment I saw was dunking on Al Snow. Brings a tear to the eye.
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Sep 5, 2020 05:45
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Al Snow sure got a lot of mileage from making people think he was a decent trainer on the original Tough Enough.
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Sep 5, 2020 05:50
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Being a bitter gatekeeping loser has kept him employed for like 30 years now so I get why he thinks he's doing it right But gently caress that heatless jagoff.
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Sep 5, 2020 07:14
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I guess mid-90s ECW was about the only place I can think of where Al Snow didn't suck a gently caress outside of Headcheese-related shenanigans. I guess it speaks more to Heyman's ability (at the time at least) to book to people's strengths. I remember reading that he built a bit of buzz from a decent match he had with the toothless murderer (not sure how one is expected to deal with that), and it's hard not to work out why the match was decent.
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Sep 5, 2020 07:16
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Not knowing anything about anything at the time, but I enjoyed Al Snow being the Brutus Beefcake to Mick Foley's Hulk Hogan for a while in WWE. But gently caress him for everything he has said/done since.
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Vagabundo posted:I guess mid-90s ECW was about the only place I can think of where Al Snow didn't suck a gently caress outside of Headcheese-related shenanigans. I guess it speaks more to Heyman's ability (at the time at least) to book to people's strengths. I remember reading that he built a bit of buzz from a decent match he had with the toothless murderer (not sure how one is expected to deal with that), and it's hard not to work out why the match was decent.
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Vagabundo posted:I guess mid-90s ECW was about the only place I can think of where Al Snow didn't suck a gently caress outside of Headcheese-related shenanigans. I guess it speaks more to Heyman's ability (at the time at least) to book to people's strengths. I remember reading that he built a bit of buzz from a decent match he had with the toothless murderer (not sure how one is expected to deal with that), and it's hard not to work out why the match was decent. I have vague memories that he was alright in Smokey Mountain but also I've seen so little SMW that I could be talking shite. And in ECW, before the Benoit match (mentioning his name isn't endorsing his murders, you're alright), he had a match with on-excursion Osamu Nishimura. And while I've never watched it back I really have a fondness for that early WWF Hardcore title era where it was him, the Hollys, Big Bossman. Was it good? I mean no, but it was entertaining which isn't nothing. Al Snow is a guy who definitely isn't as good as Al Snow thinks he is, but he's also not complete dogshit. He had moments where he was in some fun things. Unfortunately he's a delusional rear end in a top hat and misogynist.
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EL BROMANCE posted:Well yes, that's what my middle sentence was alluding to. It, like everything, was done for monetary gain and they probably had the apology written up before it even went to print. Probably.
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Sep 5, 2020 11:48
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RealFoxy posted:He's a second-rate Orange Cassidy Leif Cassidy??
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forkboy84 posted:I have vague memories that he was alright in Smokey Mountain but also I've seen so little SMW that I could be talking shite. And in ECW, before the Benoit match (mentioning his name isn't endorsing his murders, you're alright), he had a match with on-excursion Osamu Nishimura. And while I've never watched it back I really have a fondness for that early WWF Hardcore title era where it was him, the Hollys, Big Bossman. Was it good? I mean no, but it was entertaining which isn't nothing. Man I was apparently the only Al Snow fan on the planet back then. Hearing him be such a bitter misogynistic rear end in a top hat is so disheartening. Has anybody ever thanked Al Snow for his influence in their career?
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Foley probably thanked him for all the material in his books.
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