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Zesty
Jan 17, 2012



Sanguinia posted:

I wish I could edit thread titles so I could add "The Most Rapid Boob Changes I've Observed."

PM a mod?

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Cactus
Jun 24, 2006



SlothfulCobra posted:

She's wearing pants. It's basically the same uniform as the soldiers of the Valley of the Wind are wearing. I do kinda wonder why her legs are so rigidly back instead of swaying like they're being pushed by the wind currents, but it doesn't read as horny at all.

There's a point in the movie where she does wear a dress, but she also puts on an even thicker pair of pants underneath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFgZJWjsAks

I think this is also an interesting bit because it illustrates the sky itself having a sort of geography that Nausicaa has to maneuver around. That may actually one thing the movie does better than the manga, because the manga talks a lot about Nausicaa's ability to read and ride wind currents, but since it never really explores what she's thinking about how she's gliding, it kinda comes off as just another one of her supernatural messiah abilities.

I didn't see it as being deliberately horny either, just kinda funny, kinda eye-rolly, and unnecessary in the context of what type of film it is.

In that bit near the end she is wearing pants, definitely. Right at the beginning, though, I'm not so sure, and I'll tag it NWS just to be on the safe side.




...i mean come on


aaanyway for content:
I always like when sci-fi authors try to get across a totally alien way of thinking, perceiving the world, or existing. Iain M Banks has, rightfully, already been brought up in this thread, and one particular passage I remember reading and it making me go "whoah" was in I think Excession. It was a few pages long and he was describing the concept the AI Minds had to be mindful of called "the Off Switch". What does a sentient artificial intelligence with vast amounts of processing power do for lesiure? Why, they construct mind-bogglingly complex multi-dimensional VR-scapes in their own minds and lose themselves in there for varying amounts of time. The problem is, when you can create a whole multiverse-sized virtual world that is more real, more compelling to exist in than the real thing could ever be, why would you ever leave? So you have to also create an Off Switch, and you have to place it in a prominent place in your virtual world where it's always easy to use, or you'll stay forever and never wake up. Just the way he wrote that entire bit was awesome.

Some good example of interesting descriptions of aliens' POV are Peter F Hamilton when describing the Ly-cilph in his Confederation trilogy, or MorningLightMountain in the Commonwealth Saga. Arthur C Clark has numerous examples of well-concieved aliens though I'll admit my memory of any specifics here is failing me as it's been so long since I read any of his stuff, as has Vernor Vinge with his Dog-like pack-creatures, the Tines. I'm a sucker for outside-the-box weirdness when it comes to describing things that are truly alien, and it must be far more difficult to do than it seems because of how rarely I see it done well.

Barudak
May 7, 2007



What was the one where the younger members of the species are fully sentient and aware but have latent mindcontrol powers over their elders who do everything for them? I thought that was neat

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


In Fallout New Vegas there's always a short bit that I love when talking to Benny's right hand man, Swank. In New Vegas, Mr. House recruits the tribes squatting in the ruins to run his casinos and he gives each of them a flavor of Vegas to run with. Swank, Benny and the Chairmen go for the smooth talking hip cats routine of the Rat Pack and they change their language from the rougher Wasteland slang to match their new aesthetic.

Swank keeps it up marvelously, playing to the cool side, right until you ask him about the Mob inspired Omertas and his disgust for them is so strong he drops the act entirely to tell you they're a shifty pack of scumbags. It's a nice bit of worldbuilding calling back to the origins of the Chairmen before they were allegedly "Civilized."

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006



Cactus posted:

I didn't see it as being deliberately horny either, just kinda funny, kinda eye-rolly, and unnecessary in the context of what type of film it is.

In that bit near the end she is wearing pants, definitely. Right at the beginning, though, I'm not so sure, and I'll tag it NWS just to be on the safe side.




...i mean come on
I don't know dude. I'm all for calling out extraneous cheesecake-- especially of underage characters and/or supposedly family friendly properties that feature it-- but this seems like a reach. I've watched that movie half a dozen times and never noticed that.

Cactus posted:

aaanyway for content:
I always like when sci-fi authors try to get across a totally alien way of thinking, perceiving the world, or existing. Iain M Banks has, rightfully, already been brought up in this thread, and one particular passage I remember reading and it making me go "whoah" was in I think Excession. It was a few pages long and he was describing the concept the AI Minds had to be mindful of called "the Off Switch". What does a sentient artificial intelligence with vast amounts of processing power do for lesiure? Why, they construct mind-bogglingly complex multi-dimensional VR-scapes in their own minds and lose themselves in there for varying amounts of time. The problem is, when you can create a whole multiverse-sized virtual world that is more real, more compelling to exist in than the real thing could ever be, why would you ever leave? So you have to also create an Off Switch, and you have to place it in a prominent place in your virtual world where it's always easy to use, or you'll stay forever and never wake up. Just the way he wrote that entire bit was awesome.
I always liked Surface Detail for recognizing that if VR worlds were a thing, there would absolutely be loads of insane idiots making virtual Hellscapes to punish their enemies. It's one of those "So obvious you never think of it until you see it done" conceits.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000





Arcsquad12 posted:

In Fallout New Vegas there's always a short bit that I love when talking to Benny's right hand man, Swank. In New Vegas, Mr. House recruits the tribes squatting in the ruins to run his casinos and he gives each of them a flavor of Vegas to run with. Swank, Benny and the Chairmen go for the smooth talking hip cats routine of the Rat Pack and they change their language from the rougher Wasteland slang to match their new aesthetic.

Swank keeps it up marvelously, playing to the cool side, right until you ask him about the Mob inspired Omertas and his disgust for them is so strong he drops the act entirely to tell you they're a shifty pack of scumbags. It's a nice bit of worldbuilding calling back to the origins of the Chairmen before they were allegedly "Civilized."

I think my biggest regret when I finally played New Vegas was that I couldn't recruit the one Omerta who wasn't a complete bastard from his exile in the Vault Hotel to run the gang once I killed their leaders. Handing it over to the PoS you get leverage on after hearing how he abused the #1 Hooker Lady was depressing.

That and there was no special dialogue option to tell Benny "The Game Was Rigged From The Start," if you successfully steal his gun and later use it to kill him. They thought to include it as an achievement challenge but not to give you the most obvious line in the world in the process?!

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Arcsquad12 posted:

In Fallout New Vegas there's always a short bit that I love when talking to Benny's right hand man, Swank. In New Vegas, Mr. House recruits the tribes squatting in the ruins to run his casinos and he gives each of them a flavor of Vegas to run with. Swank, Benny and the Chairmen go for the smooth talking hip cats routine of the Rat Pack and they change their language from the rougher Wasteland slang to match their new aesthetic.

Swank keeps it up marvelously, playing to the cool side, right until you ask him about the Mob inspired Omertas and his disgust for them is so strong he drops the act entirely to tell you they're a shifty pack of scumbags. It's a nice bit of worldbuilding calling back to the origins of the Chairmen before they were allegedly "Civilized."

I think there's a bit where you can talk to Caesar about the White Glove Society, and how he thinks they're fascinating for going from a cannibal gang to mysterious, well-dressed gourmets, deliberately taking on the antithesis of their former persona, and believes they'll eventually have to face their past and come to a synthesis. (hence the one guy who really wants to eat other rich people, bringing up the issue of what happens when a cannibal becomes a gourmet)

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EimiYoshikawa
Sep 12, 2017

Defective, dumb, and self-destructive.
This metaphor is getting a little heavy-handed.




Sanguinia posted:

I think my biggest regret when I finally played New Vegas was that I couldn't recruit the one Omerta who wasn't a complete bastard from his exile in the Vault Hotel to run the gang once I killed their leaders. Handing it over to the PoS you get leverage on after hearing how he abused the #1 Hooker Lady was depressing.

That and there was no special dialogue option to tell Benny "The Game Was Rigged From The Start," if you successfully steal his gun and later use it to kill him. They thought to include it as an achievement challenge but not to give you the most obvious line in the world in the process?!

That's why you lure the PoS into the meeting with the two higher-ups, talk them into blowing him away, then take the two of them out. Bam, mission accomplished, even if the game dialogue isn't quite ready to acknowledge just how it goes down, and goes on as if the PoS was still alive.

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