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ratbert90 posted:Yeah, the transition from PPC to Intel was a cluster because processor speeds and storage tech were improving so rapidly that a 3 year old PPC was positively ancient compared to a Core2Duo or Core2Quad, which is why PPC was cut relatively quickly. This is an important point. A buddy of mine who bought a dual G5 in 2005 was already struggling to justify the purchase a little because an Athlon64 X2 walked away from it in most cases. By the time 2008 rolled around with dual Xeon-branded Core 2 Quad Mac Pros, even a quad G5 would have felt pretty quaint. The per-thread performance of an ARM Mac in a mobile form factor probably won’t constitute that kind of a revolution this time around, even with a more generous TDP. It’ll be interesting to see the iMac and Mac Pro, though.
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I would have thought that Intel would be the pro option for a while and ARM would be the battery life/quiet fan option, but the fastest supercomputer is now ARM-based (https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/23/21300097/fugaku-supercomputer-worlds-fastest-top500-riken-fujitsu-arm) so forget about Intel I guess unless they finally get extreme ultraviolet lithography working.
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SaTaMaS posted:I would have thought that Intel would be the pro option for a while and ARM would be the battery life/quiet fan option, but the fastest supercomputer is now ARM-based (https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/23/21300097/fugaku-supercomputer-worlds-fastest-top500-riken-fujitsu-arm) so forget about Intel I guess unless they finally get extreme ultraviolet lithography working. The fastest HPC hasn’t been Intel based for years now anyway. It switches between IBM and a Chinese developed one. But everyone still uses Intel/AMD based clusters because they’re cheap and readily available off the shelf. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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I just checked in with 3 of my main programs developers (the non apple ones). The only one I didn't check in on is Infinity photo, which has windows, apple and IOS support. I'm not worried about them, but the other three all also said they'll make the native apple apps when they need to. two are writing apps, one is a production design app. (Scrivener, highland 2, and Vellum). Everything else pro I use are apps built by Apple. (And word, but they showed Word and that will do).
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Jun 23, 2020 23:59
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Is there an office for Windows that’s ARM native? Or does it just run some sort of web based office? From a simple perspective how much x86-specific code could there be?
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Jun 24, 2020 00:03
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Bob Morales posted:Is there an office for Windows that’s ARM native? Or does it just run some sort of web based office? But the code base itself is the shared across platforms, they got to that point two years ago. That link makes it sound like the difference between platforms is in the UIs and what they choose to implement and expose to the user, course the "core functionalities" detail is a big vague umbrella for what's not shared yet. But basically for the Mac version I wouldn't be too surprised if it's ported pretty quick. Hell I think they got the iOS one going first and leveraged that work for the Mac version. One thing I'm wondering about if Office still has a dumb screen size restriction (free on <10" screens?), could you use the iPad one in a smaller window to unlock all the features 
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Jun 24, 2020 01:22
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Bob Morales posted:Is there an office for Windows that’s ARM native? Or does it just run some sort of web based office? There was a feature limited variant during the WinRT days, modern win10 arm laptops run emulated x86-32 bit builds Office run on custom code stacks that are best summarized as spaghetti code, i would bet they cut a lot of corners by basing it implicitly on x86 uARCH
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Duckman2008 posted:I have a 2012 MacBook. Still supported by Apple, but I’m betting not much longer. Runs fine, so likely any upgrades will be in a year or two when (In theory) poo poo gets more stable and a $1,000+ laptop is a more feasible purchase. I'm in a similar situation (2013 Macbook Pro) and I wouldn't buy a laptop now if you can avoid it. At least wait until the first ARM computers are released end of the year, you can always buy an Intel one then if they are a disaster. I'm 100% sure they will be good
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Jun 24, 2020 22:21
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My wife bought a MacBook Air like a day before WWDC and her last laptop lasted her 9 years. She only needs Internet and MS office, I’m not really worried about it. (Until she cant update OSX in 3 years).
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Jun 24, 2020 22:48
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The Dave posted:My wife bought a MacBook Air like a day before WWDC and her last laptop lasted her 9 years. She only needs Internet and MS office, I’m not really worried about it. (Until she cant update OSX in 3 years). You're gonna get like 2 more new OS releases at a minimum (Big Sure and whatever else comes after I'm guessing) and then you may not get a new OS but it will still be supported for like 6 more years after. Catalina was released on 8 year old Macs.
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The Dave posted:My wife bought a MacBook Air like a day before WWDC and her last laptop lasted her 9 years. She only needs Internet and MS office, I’m not really worried about it. (Until she cant update OSX in 3 years). On the other hand your keyboard, screen, battery or logic board could have went out twice by now and your laptop is only four years old
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