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| Mox vs Cage |
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| Jericho vs Orange |
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Under better circumstances I'd be falling in love with FTR along with my long existing love for Santana and Ortiz and Shida and relatively new love for Orange Cassidy and that would have been a real great show. Just lot of bummer distractions in the mix.
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Jun 25, 2020 03:30
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Reality Protester posted:I thought the working theory was Moxley got exposed from Renee Its a plausible theory but I don't think there's been any actual indication its true. Its entirely plausible Moxley got exposed from another angle. QT did.
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Jun 25, 2020 03:33
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Lid posted:Jim Ross said Matt Hardy is a no question Hall of Famer and now my world is spinning. I think the Hardy Boyz alone with have a case (in whatever hypothetical Hall we're talking) but the stuff Matt's done the last few years has basically changed the business. Lucha Underground came first but it seems impossible to argue that Matt didn't popularize the entire cinematic, fantasy thing that Impact adopted, AEW has incorporated, and now WWE is using. Not a lot of guys have had that kind of impact on the business.
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Jun 25, 2020 03:37
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Lid posted:I know but like... my bar is Edge, always has been as posted in many many HoF threads (lol Big Daddy) and the idea of Matt Hardy going in before Edge has an argument but it conflicts with everything I grew up with when they were both young. What can you say? History is always happening. Matt's done a lot the last few years and Edge hasn't for like a decade. And hell, he came back and did the thing Matt popularized.
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Jun 25, 2020 03:45
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Davros1 posted:Plus, Matt went and achieved success in other places. Edge stayed where they were going to push him no matter what. Plus, whatever you think of Edge he's married to this 2000-2010 era of WWE that most fans see as a huge downswing for the business while Matt's been a pretty big part of the upswing.
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Jun 25, 2020 03:51
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enigmahfc posted:Matt is one of the best things about AEW for me, right now. Going back and seeing how he evolved during the 15 or so years I was out of wrestling has been a delight. Dude deserves so much praise. To be honest the whole full career thing is kind of a late stage save. He did some fun stuff with V1 and Big Money Matt but like he also had a LOT of cringey, bad stuff. There was a lot of time where Matt was either the boring other brother, "Fatt Hardy", or the really unstable looking period he went through. Five years ago he was running Omega and a "loltna" punchline. He really turned things around with Broken Matt and it salvaged his legacy and kind of erased that bad stuff and showcased the potentially forgotten good. And the crazy thing is going back to WWE could have potentially squandered it since they did nothing with him and stifled that revolutionary hot stuff. Getting out and into AEW shot him back to the top of the business and probably is going to be his end legacy with the way he's focused on working with young guys. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jun 25, 2020 |
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Jun 25, 2020 03:59
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I wish Janella hadn't done that poo poo with the CZW lady the other day because I really want to give him a shot with this Sonny team. Its fun. But he's got stink for me now.
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Jun 25, 2020 20:40
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Yeah, I got nothing romantic off it. Just a mismatched buddy cop vibe complete with the Miami Vice/retro imagery.
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Jun 25, 2020 20:58
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22 Eargesplitten posted:How would you all explain Joey Janela's gimmick to someone that doesn't really know wrestling? The best way I can think of it is a Bon Jovi album come to life. New Jersey.
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Jun 25, 2020 21:11
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Again, trying to figure out where 100K random people across the country go on a given Wednesday night is a fools errand. Maybe they were all depressed from the SpeakingOut. Maybe AEW fans are more affected by than NXT fans. Maybe they were watching some random thing trending. Maybe its dumb luck and they went in 100 different directions. If a trend develops you gotta ask why, but right now the simple answer would be "wrestling is depressing for a lot of reasons right now and WWE fans have hardened themselves off to that long ago". Oh Snapple! posted:I started not to myself and almost peaced out when I saw Justin Roberts there. Yeah, I nearly bailed a few times and the FTR match sucked me in and LAX kept me around when I was ready to change the channel
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Jun 25, 2020 21:29
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Tessa would be a huge add roster wise but of course by all accounts a terrible one locker room and image wise. But AEW's been kind of selective with this stuff and like Justin Roberts and Jake Hager are still kicking around besides all the other question marks and issues. So with Tully there and Tully likely having allies in Arn and Cody I could definitely see AEW hiring her if there isn't some deal breaking conflict with someone on the roster. And even if there was its a question of whether AEW would value person X over Tessa.
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Jun 26, 2020 17:33
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Gumball Gumption posted:I still think they flat out can't hire her. It'd be an awful business decision and blow up the entire brand they've been building. I think its bad but I don't think it fundamentally is any different from Hager or Roberts, and to lesser extents guys like Jericho, Darby, Joey, etc. AEW's been really kind of selective about this stuff. It sucks but hiring Tessa really doesn't strike me as new contradiction. I mean, sometimes its not about consistency but about the final straw. So maybe hiring Tessa has more impact than retaining Hager has. I definitely think it could hurt AEW. But I also think wrestling fans have a long held ability to rationalize and I could absolutely see AEW gambling on that given Tessa's connections within the promotion.
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Jun 26, 2020 18:27
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Gumball Gumption posted:There is a big difference in perception in hiring people who are problematic and have rumors around them and someone who's just been fired for being too racist. Your fan who follows the indies a bit probably doesn't know ever Jericho story or every Hager story but will know why Impact fired Tessa. Your really casual fans who really just watch WWE and AEW will google Tessa and the first thing they'll see is her firing. I think saying Tessa was fired for racism isn't actually factual. She received the world title after the racism accusations happened. She's been fired for apparently not being willing to do whatever Impact requested of her under these odd quarantine/contract situations. I don't think it has the same stink. Although certainly there's residual stuff and people might get confused. I also think the average AEW fan doesn't know poo poo about Impact let alone "casual fans". I dunno. Like I said, I think there's unquestionably baggage and I wouldn't recommend it for AEW. But they have a need and they employ her father and a bunch of family friends and have shown a lot of "loyalty" to friend and family hires even in spite of controversy (Hager) so it wouldn't shock me at all. Diplomat posted:Did I miss something? What has Janela been accused of to be included with the rest of those names? He bullied a lady from CZW who was speaking out against Chikara. He attacked her for not saying anything about CZW and accused her of lying and being a coward. It left a bad taste for me but its definitely not one of the biggest things of the last week.
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Jun 26, 2020 18:41
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, my point is Tessa shows up on TV, people google "Tessa Blanchard" and oh look all the stories about why she just got fired from Impact are right there and a lot of them talk about her racism. That's fair, and certainly the big gamble. Its just a question of how much AEW really thinks that's a risk and how much they value that "good" rep. And like... I haven't been overwhelmed over the last few months by that. They're definitely "better" and they've done stuff I've agreed with but there's some pretty glaring blind spots and the fanbase has largely gone along with it and this would feel consistent to me. But of course every new bad decision brings new potential consequences and incremental damage.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:04
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Gumball Gumption posted:Also the Joey stuff was him being messy and showing his rear end in a messy lovely situation but people are also being very kind to a person who blew Joey off with the fact that she's always been treated well. That's a super common refrain to excuse lovely people "well they never treated me poorly" and we're talking about a company that just got caught repackaging womens matches as softcore porn. She easily could of said something like she had never personally experienced anything but it's obvious people do have stories to tell and hopefully they speak up. Like, it was two people being messy in a messy situation and lumping it into a lot of the other stuff going on is not fair. She did and he attacked her for it. That's the stink on him for me. She never seemed to counter anything or defend CZW. She just said she hadn't experienced anything bad from them and Joey attacked her for it. Tonfa posted:wait, wh
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Jun 26, 2020 19:09
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Pylons posted:"I know how you and a lot of people feel about the company" is pretty dismissive, though it still wasn't appropriate for Joey to respond that way. I mean it just came off as an acknowledgement to me. But like assuming she's being honest that she's had no bad experiences with CZW I'm not sure what else you can say there. She didn't stick up for CZW or criticize people speaking out against them that I saw. Joey just came at her for not ALSO having stuff on CZW and accused her of lying. I admit I'm not super familiar with CZW or Joey's issues. I assume they're valid. But his attack on her isn't. He let it turn him ugly and lash out against an innocent party.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:15
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Lamuella posted:I have been low key banging the drum for Diamante for months. Solid talent, in built alliance with P&P, is as close to oven-ready as you can get right now. And then Eddie Kingston, please and thank you.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:19
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, I read it the other way and it stands out to me that there is no version of "but I know other people have stories" because again, a lot of stuff was already public about CZW. But it's also pretty minor either way and still mostly looks like two people in a messy situation handling some of it badly. Motive feels important to me and I want to acknowledge the distinction between people who are abusive because they enjoy hurting people or are getting something out of it and someone who did a lovely thing because they felt like the other person hurt them. I'm certainly not intending to put him on the same level as Joey Ryan and Justin Roberts or anyone. I think I made a point to say that Roberts and Hager are a bigger deal than guys like Jericho and Joey. Joey did something lovely and it affected how I feel about him and how much I can enjoy him. It doesn't mean it has to be the end the story or people are all good or all bad or all bad things are equal. I'm just not super happy at Joey Janella at the moment. I also kind of think Joey rubs me wrong. Like I know people like it when he goes after Cornette, but it actually strikes me as kind of similar to how people liked it when Cornette was a dick to people we didn't like. And Joey turning that energy on a more innocent party feels like a red flag to me. Lamuella posted:oh jesus yes. Even if you don't use him much in the ring, Eddie managing a group and getting promo time every week. Yeah, King seems like good people, he's a good story, and he's already been the leader for Santana, Ortiz, and Diamante and I can assure you it kicked rear end. So lets do it.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:29
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, I think you're cool STAC and I understand your concerns. I definitely stopped talking about specifically you at some point in that post and floated more into a general "how people talk about this sort of thing". Like I said, if I kept on it would of turned into Gumball's theories on justice and no one wants that in AEW. At the end of the day this is a very hair splitting argument over something going on in the personal lives of people I do not personally know. Yeah, I hear you. I didn't want it to get this deep about Joey's character. I don't know the man. I'm sure he has good and bad qualities. I hope the best, I hope what happened the other day was an anomaly that he learns from. I don't know. I have my personal concerns but I hope for the best. Sweeping people up into "all bad" or unable to change is rarely helpful. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Jun 26, 2020 19:36
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Lamuella posted:Peter Avalon is a great example of someone taking a low card spot and optimising it. He's a jobber who has never won a match and I care more about his feud with Brandon than I do about half the regular card. He had a fun run as a jobber in TNA too, although as a completely different dorky underdog face character. I've always enjoyed him in those roles, but I really was bored by him when he was doing a cocky heel main eventer thing in CWFH.
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Jun 26, 2020 20:28
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TTBF posted:Joey Janela has some positive qualities that I am happy to preach about. That's a real good story that speaks well of Joey and I've heard and seen other stuff that speak well of him. Even better, its great you're cancer free. My personal take on Joey is he isn't a "bad person" and he's got a lot of good stuff. But he also seems to have a mean streak and people encourage that behavior as long as he's targeting people like Cornette and other bad actors. But then that gets turned on someone like this and no one can tell him he's wrong and it gets ugly. As I said, I hope someone could get through to him on this and he grows from it.
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Jun 26, 2020 20:49
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There's a not that far away universe where Darby is set to defend the TNT title against Hager and this thread is on total fire.
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Jun 26, 2020 22:32
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When it comes to women's wrestling in the US I tend to think we're in like the second or third generation of the US women's movement/revival. US women's wrestling totally sucked and WWE's division was garbage with women like LIta and Trish Stratus standing out despite being very flawed. Still Trish and Lita inspired a generation and SHIMMER comes along in 2005 and is this niche product where women are wrestling better matches than anything seen in the WWE but to a small audience and stuff like Gail Kim vs Awesome Kong in TNA gets a ton of praise. And now we're in the next generation of women who watched Kim/Kong or Shimmer, were trained up by those women or wrestling against them when they were veterans, and the talent level is rising and more and more women are jumping in. So like the next generation should be even better.
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Jun 27, 2020 19:58
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I remember some shoot with Danger, Lacey, and Daizee from way back where they were like "WWE doesn't want to even talk to us unless we get surgery." Then Serena Deeb went to WWE and came back to SHIMMER a completely different looking person. I think thankfully we're a little bit past that now and while WWE fans always wanna heap praise on Trish Stratus for her role in the step forward, yeah, I think Danger and those ladies like Lacey and Daizee deserve a ton of credit they'll never get. There's a couple still kicking around like Natalya, Melissa, Becky Lynch, Mercedes, and Sara Del Rey has moved onto training in a big way. But you can toss in MsChif, Rain, the Canadian Ninjas, Ariel, etc as these women from the early days of SHIMMER who probably meant a lot but will never really get that recognition beyond small groups.
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Jun 27, 2020 21:17
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Isn't he in that 8 man tag set?
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Jun 28, 2020 19:44
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Stuff like that's just not gonna resonate with people not familiar. Like that's too rich a match to get everything like the Bucks crossing a line when they did the Ibushi moves.
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Jun 28, 2020 19:47
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Yeah, its a really dense match so you can get lie 50% of the story and you'll still get a great match. And a lot of the story is told within the match of Page going to cheat, Kenny stopping him, Matt cheating, Nick not stopping him, and then the Bucks getting ruthless.
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Jun 28, 2020 19:54
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Yeah, I'm not really expecting longer than a month or two. I have no idea if that will be long enough or not. A lot of it might come down to if anything comes of Roberts or Darby or HOW he comes back.
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Jun 28, 2020 20:55
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Are they still planning Blood & Guts with Elite vs Inner Circle? That seems incredibly redundant and silly at this stage. That story ended with the Stadium Stampede. Just stow it until things are back to normal and you have a new story to justify it.
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Jun 28, 2020 21:00
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Pylons posted:You could still do that story, but it probably ends with Cody betraying The Elite and joining a Horsemen stable. It just seems completely silly. They're not feuding. The Elite's either resolved their issues or just moved on. Jericho's been mixed up with Tyson and the Best Friends. You can restart the feud but is there any need? We got the Stampede. I just hate the idea of forcing a match like Blood & Guts when it doesn't actually fit. And using it just as a tool for something like a Cody turn (whether I think that's happening or just the thread's fantasy) just feels cheap and what WWE did to all of its big gimmick matches to me. I mean, I want to see Blood & Guts. But I want to see it when theres two sides with a serious grudge.
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Jun 28, 2020 21:22
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Give us your dream Blood & Guts for 2020! I mean, I'd still love to see MJF and his pseudo Horsemen of FTR, Spears, and Wardlow vs Cody and the Elite. And taht could play on all fan ideas of Cody turning and put him in a Page role whether you wanted to turn him or not. But mostly I just want them to stick to the organic storytelling they do well and if something develops run with it. So like if Jericho vs Orange Cassidy is real good then maybe you do Inner Circle vs Best Friends+ or something. Or if the Dark Order/Colt stuff maybe you do Dark Order vs Colt and Friends. Whatever's gelling.
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Jun 28, 2020 21:42
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Gumball Gumption posted:If it helps I honestly expect the ratings to be bad again, I just don't think they'll matter or say anything to executives. Like, if they dropped AEW for low ratings right now they have nothing else to put there. You're not making a new show and I'm sure AEW is beating showing the same old movie 3 times in a row. I pretty much expect the covid ratings to get balled up and tossed out when things move back towards normal. Yeah, whatever you think of ratings there's no logical reason to assume TNT is gonna cancel them due to relatively small downswings for a couple of weeks in a time period when there's like no original programming on TV and the prospects of live sports is very much in question. It just doesn't make sense. Get worried if like 2 months from now the numbers have shown a consistent decline or something and the NBA is back on.
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Jun 30, 2020 17:44
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I feel like when I read that Hayter had wore a neonazi symbol I remembered a totally different image but for the life of me I don't know what it is or how I'd look it up without wading through a sea of weird pervy stuff.
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Jun 30, 2020 19:22
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Yeah, I can't find anything except references to Manson and deleted tweets. So either it got lost to time or I just noticed the wrong thing or something that past time it came up. I dunno. I actually didn't realize edgelords idolized Manson anymore. That feels so old. But I guess I know nothing about what's trendy in the true crime world.
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Jun 30, 2020 19:31
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Gumball Gumption posted:He needs to lose -because- he's the main character. He needs to face adversity, not sit at the top of the mountain. It's the same reason Ash kills all of his pokemon at the end of one season so that he starts from scratch in the new pokemon league. I know nothing about Pokemon but that sounds monstrous.
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Jul 1, 2020 18:06
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Chromatic posted:
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Jul 1, 2020 18:30
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, it really just is moxley, fyter fest, I'm gonna win, it'll be hard because mox is good, i'm better, haha my wife splashed water I'm evil The funny part is it was SUCH a generic and bad promo you forgot who his opponent was. I don't blame you. It could have been delivered to literally anyone.
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Jul 1, 2020 18:34
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I've been on the "time to move on" train for a few weeks and Best Friends feel like a solid option to give the belts to who can then work with the various good heel teams like Blade/Butcher, Lucha Bros, Hybrid 2, and of course Santana and Ortiz. But yeah, it does make a lot of sense to keep the belts on Page/Omega if you want to use them as the middle of the war between the Bucks and FTR, and potentially a stepping stone to an Elite/Horsemen thing.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:55
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JUNGLE BOY posted:The handshake deal thing feels like a work for them to portray themselves as “outsiders” tbh Yeah, that or the first stage in a negotiation. I dunno. It just seems silly to assume we know the contract situation based on the little bit we've heard. A few weeks ago supposedly Cage wasn't signed. That was obviously bullshit.
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Orange Cassidy's t-shirt is a much better designed expression of the state of American politics than Matt Hardy's.
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