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Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



For years now Iíve been openly wary of offsites like discord. There are a bunch of reasons, but mostly it boils down to being able to verify that the poo poo people allege to have happened off site actually happened.

Well, then the last week happened and I was the one making a discord to make sure we had some continuity as a community if poo poo really started flying.

And, TFR being TFR, the discord wildly exceeded my expectations. I threw mod privileges there to a few posters I knew werenít poo poo heads and then you all proceeded to build an insanely vibrant and complex community. I dumped some ants in the farm, walked away to deal with some poo poo, and came back to discover theyíd not only put some tunnels together but built their own post-scarcity civilization.

It would be beyond unproductive for me to try to claim that isnít part of our community now. Iíll admit it, I was wrong.

So if weíre going to have a discord weíre going to have a discord. I donít want something TFR affiliated to get colonized by racists and other assorted assholes, which means we need to have the same basic community standards there that we do here.

User verification is already under way. We need to be able to tie discord names to SA names because we also need to be able to tie the moderation together. Iíve already asked the discord mods to document any really bad poo poo that goes down. If they have to ban someone from the discord for racism I need to be able to take a peek at it and have whatever discussions need to be had. Basically I donít want someone to be able to do awful poo poo there and then act normal here.

On the flip side Iím only talking about the big poo poo. The poo poo that would get you banned. The poo poo I basically never have to deal with here (thankfully). If I give someone l a day probation for being in a dumb slap fight I profoundly dgaf if you go hang out in the discord. I mean maybe you take the slap fight over there and the discord mods slap you too but thatís their business.

As much as possible I want the discord to mirror and complement the forums. The format might be different but the flavor should be the same. Politics chat, for example, doesnít need to be a thing over there because those grudges get brought over here.

Let me be clear that Iím not going to be day to day involved in the discord. Itís just not my thing. But Iím not going to stand in the way of you all having it.

Flightless Greeb has admin privileges over there. She has my complete confidence to take care of immediate poo poo and if I need to be looped in sheíll do that. Iím asking to be kept up to date on the big stuff.

So letís talk about how the gently caress weíre going to do this. This is some brave new world, uncharted horizons poo poo so Iím not going to pretend that Iíve got all the answers or that weíll do everything right the first time.

BYOB is in a similar situation so Iíll share a bit of good advice that got posted over there:

alnilam posted:


1. Please be careful what you share. There are stories of people in other offsite IRCs or discords who come to feel like the discord is more private in some way and feel more comfortable sharing potentially doxxable or deeply personal info, only to get burned because there are more people on it than they realize. Treat it the same way you would treat SA BYOB in terms of privacy.

2. Do not import drama to BYOB! Yes this has happened in the past.

3. Do not assume people in BYOB have read / are aware of whatever is going on in the discord - treat them as separate entities, not continuations of each other. Not everyone will read everything on both!

4. Be excellent to each other, and, party on orbs!

[editor's note: orb is the byob gender neutral "dude"]

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the yeti
Mar 29, 2008

memento disco





#1 really can't be understated, across the whole of the forums. Do we have a good privacy/opsec thread anywhere that y'all leadership folks might want to either spruce up and pin somewhere or at least share around?


Edit- I mean to say TFR should have one at minimum but it would be a good forums resource IMO, what with *gestures around*

the yeti fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Jun 26, 2020

CBJamo
Jul 15, 2012



Seconding the importance of #1. The thing that gets me is that on an IM platform it's just so easy to hit enter and send something you'll regret. So, uh, don't do that.

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK


Oven Wrangler

CBJamo posted:

Seconding the importance of #1. The thing that gets me is that on an IM platform it's just so easy to hit enter and send something you'll regret. So, uh, don't do that.

Fortunately you can edit what you post in discord although that obviously doesn't remove it from the minds or computers of anyone who may have seen or copied it down before you edited something out.

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



We set up a quarantined GDN bot to verify that people who are in the discord server also have an SA account but obvi you can still be a poo poo dog and have an SA account so yea, be somewhat cautious.

If a situation arises feel free to DM me there or PM me here or @mods also works I think

flightless greeb fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jun 26, 2020

therobit
Aug 19, 2008


Didn't we already get verified upon joining? Honest question. I had to post some random string of characters into my profile...

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



Yeah we verified a good number of people by hand, if you did that you're also good. I mean if you go into the server and can see a post in the channels, you're good

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



I havenít pushed the buttons yet but Iíll do that in a little bit once Iím at my PC.

Iím going to make Flightless Greeb an IK.

With discord being a thing we really need some kind of official discord liaison. Someone who if, say, a verified poster goes nuts over there talking about how much they hate minorities or want to kill the president or whatever can at least press pause on them over here for a while until I sort things out.

The forums being what they are that position doesnít exit so Iím going to utilize IK for it.

I donít think sheís going to need to do much modding over here but I wonít say she canít throw a sixer at someone if they melt down and itís a really obvious call. It also gives me a little head room where if I need to go out of town for a few days I can do that. Really, though, most of my modding these days is periodically telling people to calm down so its not like probations fly freely anyways.

Sheís also another set of eyes on me. Not like you guys are shy about PMíing me your opinions about how Iím doing with mod poo poo but itís good to have another person looking at things from a community level (which sheís already been doing an amazing job of on the discord - I can not emphasize enough how impressed I am with how she handled the last few days). If nothing else the last week has shown how brittle things can be with only one person at the tiller.

So yeah. Iím not going anywhere and Iíll still be doing the lions share of mod poo poo here but Greeb will be in the conversation too.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be polite. Be professional. But be prepared to PARTAYYY!

Fun Shoe

I just want to say thank you to Cyrano, Flightless Greeb, Miso, Jeff, and everyone else who has been working to keep TFR and the forums as a whole alive in one form or another. You guys and gals must really have been busting your butts over the last 3 or 4 days. It's admirable and we all owe you a great deal. I love this community and if it died it would have left a hole in my life where I get most of my news from, and have gotten most of my knowledge about guns from.

For that and everything you all do, thank you.

Jehde
Apr 20, 2010



Thanks for forcing this burden on Greeb, she's fantastic.

Yeah BYOB's #1 rule can't be overstated. Discord is more immediate, which implies it is more "personal." It is not, and scummy people exploit this. It is still an internet communication platform where you talk with strangers, and it's probably best to treat it as such.

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011



Cyrano4747 posted:

Flightless Greeb has admin privileges over there.

lol owned

wheres my beer
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty


Fun Shoe

Greeb is literally the best.

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009


Hmm, I'm looking, but I don't see the channel for anime and comic book discussion.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



Could check for discords for the boards that deal with that, venturing out of tfr isn't always bad

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



I mean ask some weirdo mod over there ( theyíre all weirdos especially the ones on the west coast) and theyíll probably make your defense anime weirdo containment zone channel.

flightless greeb
Jan 28, 2016



sorry i will not make an anime channel unless under direction by a superior officer with instructions hand delivered in triplicate

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

Am I a... bad person?
AM I??





Fun Shoe

I have a filled-out and notarized Form 27B/6....

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



I'm really not meaning this in a lovely way, but again why not look at the SA groups that are into that? TFR is cool, but we're a subforum of a much larger website that has the things you might like elsewhere. Most communities here I've posted in or lurked in are pretty rad.

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009


It was a joke, guys. I post in like 8 different forums here.

Apparently not often enough that people can tell when I'm joking though.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade





Nipponophile posted:

It was a joke, guys. I post in like 8 different forums here.

Apparently not often enough that people can tell when I'm joking though.



6PM-11PM EST on TFR is serious talk only.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



Nipponophile posted:

It was a joke, guys. I post in like 8 different forums here.

Apparently not often enough that people can tell when I'm joking though.



Lol sorry bud. I saw the tons of TFR discord subforums and made a bad assumption, I'm not really into the anime subforums enough to know it was a joke.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008


Last I checked the anime forum had a reputation as the place for animated child porn. Is this still the case?

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004





therobit posted:

Last I checked the anime forum had a reputation as the place for animated child porn. Is this still the case?

It's anime. They're not children, they're 10000 year old demons.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


Actually ADTRW went away in the time I took a hiatus from the forum so I have no idea

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

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The subforum itself, no. The industry itself still very much has many problematic parts.

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009


Yeah, never mind. I don't want to discuss anime with you guys. Or anything else.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


gwrtheyrn posted:

The subforum itself, no. The industry itself still very much has many problematic parts.

Whoops for some reason I thought it did.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!


Shaocaholica posted:

Whoops for some reason I thought it did.

I mean the reputation, it probably still has because people remember things like that forever. It probably doesn't deserve it in 2020 unless 'fanservice' (e.g. skirt flipping, awkwardly low camera angles) counts as softcore porn in your book, in which case yeah probably deserved

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



gwrtheyrn posted:

I mean the reputation, it probably still has because people remember things like that forever. It probably doesn't deserve it in 2020 unless 'fanservice' (e.g. skirt flipping, awkwardly low camera angles) counts as softcore porn in your book, in which case yeah probably deserved

If we're talking about that in regards to depictions of children yeah I'd say that's safe to call a problem

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Yeah adtrw has had some issues with poo poo basically stemming from issues with the industry /medium / whatever but they are pretty good about clearing that poo poo out.

Once in a while thereís some issues but the mods over there are usually on top of it. Anime isnít my thing to t he point where I feel a need to talk about it online but the impression I get is that if you want a place for that itís about as good as they get.

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wolfs
Jul 17, 2001

posted by squid gang



therobit posted:

Last I checked the anime forum had a reputation as the place for animated child porn. Is this still the case?

Nipponophile posted:

Yeah, never mind. I don't want to discuss anime with you guys. Or anything else.

love to see goons trampling on other goons feelings in the morning as i see what people have to say about the discord



the discord is fine and good and low stakes as all chat platforms tend to be. i dare say since the sword of damocles over SA's head has been blunted it will continue to churn in the background as all the other subforum/thread discords will. new normal! you can drunkpost with immediate feedback

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