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I think the new sanity system wasn't bad so much as perhaps a little too strict with the SP it provided. It made E.G.O. less worthwhile, too, considering even Legerdemain would completely waste a won clash with it. I think there's a middle ground that can, and probably should, be reached for, especially as it made Grippy Sinclair crazy good and probably would have made future negative coin IDs a bit broken. Probe 17 fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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oh lord is the singularity of K corp the loving Luminous Bracelet the most evil of technology e: finished the story so far. rip Mini Hod we barely knew ye also Faust please get Dante a text-to-speech so that weirdos stop monologuing at them I kinda get where the complaints on the new Sanity system came from now, some of the new story fights are brutal and would probably be way rougher if you got nothing from clashes Yinlock fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Tricky posted:I think the middle ground they proposed before the hotfix looked pretty good, but there's clearly a ton of pushback even to that if they're dropping 1300 compensation sanity and a hotfix. To be fair, "we're never touching this again" and "we'd rather have people use the too-generous system over the not-generous-enough system until we figure out a better alternative" are identical until they actually start poking at Sanity again. I still think we're going to get something close to that middle ground at some point, but for now all we know is that they're generous.
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Jun 1, 2023 19:19
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I liked the new system, it rewarded a slower and more deliberate style of play where managing sanity was an actual thing. I think it's a much cooler style of play that can make just slamming the win clash button suboptimal and that actual complexity to the combat system is really important to me maintaining interest in the game. I hope their new system keeps adding volatility to the sanity meter to make the steamroll +45 something you have to aim at and -45 something that needs to be played around.
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Jun 1, 2023 19:20
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The problem is this is a gacha game, and if you encourage people to play repetitive content daily/weekly but also make it a pain you're gonna drive people away. ...maybe they could nerf sanity gain, but make it so you start with more sanity on dailies you've completed? Or just make skipping cost the same as doing it. MD would be less of a problem since you keep sanity and get bonuses, and MD Hard should be somewhat challenging even if it's a weekly thing.
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Jun 1, 2023 19:26
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just use the other sanity system for railway or extreme challenge events instead of daily chore stuff, ez
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Jun 1, 2023 19:35
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just put in zero-cost sweep buttons for everything people aren't supposed to pay attention to, it's the most humane option
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Jun 1, 2023 19:35
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I'm like 95% certain we aren't going to see MD Sweeps. Having people be unable to just transform their Enkephalin to meta currency that can be used to straight up buy stuff without time investment is how the monetization system is balanced.
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MD sweeps seem incredibly unlikely, but I'll note that even with my complaints about the new system I never felt like I was losing too much because of it. In a MD, with E.G.O. gifts and carried over Sin resources, it would probably have been even less noticeable. I just don't think the new system felt good, and I hope there's a balance that can be reached there.
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Jun 1, 2023 19:52
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Maybe make the new Sanity system togglable? New Sanity is hard mode that gives more rewards in normal stages if you win with it, perhaps an automatic EX rank? Alternatively add more ways for the player to manually interact with Sanity on a more direct level. For example, bringing back the Discard glitch as an actual mechanic that costs (or gives) Sanity - burning someone's S1 costs, say, 5 or 10 Sanity (down to a minimum of 0 Sanity to prevent it being abused by negative coin IDs) while burning an S2 or S3 refunds you Sanity instead, with throwing away your S3 giving you a big chunk of Sanity in return.
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Jun 1, 2023 20:59
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Consider: an E.G.O. that corrodes the Sinner at -45 and +45 Sanity.
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It would not be a PM game without the Silent Orchestra, I suppose 
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I keep rolling on this lovely banner hoping for this Rodion i'm not sure i'll ever use. Finally, on the 7th roll, I see a gold pull! It's W mersault, and my eyes roll in to the back of my head. Then a second gold pops out, and by god it's R-Heathcliffs music. Now i'm watching my little rabbit boy gun down everything everywhere, and holy crap there was 0 exaggeration about how much poo poo he kicks.
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Yeah but the later robot levels aren't great for him. Too much HP, too many robots, not enough bullets.
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Theantero posted:My main Semi-Spoilery Lore Question is: How can it possibly be in any way profitable to use the K Singularity to regenerate chicken for consumption if the entire reasoning for why people don't just K Ampoule all their injuries away is because those things are ruinously expensive? I figured that the reason the ampoules are expensive isn't because they're costly to make but because K Corp has a monopoly on their manufacture because they've patented them. They'd rather jack up the price sky-high and profit rather than make it cheap and available to all, kind of like insulin in America.
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"Surely I have plenty of xp tickets", I mutter as I boot up the game to 35 my sinners and well i have enough for 7, which is workable
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meursalt's capote ego from the battle pass looks pretty meaty tbh cost isn't so bad (three colors, 5 cost total, if you're running liu meursalt as you're obviously meant to he can theoretically power it himself) and jesus that's a lot of burn and potentially quite respectable tremor, the passive is pretty solid too
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Okay what's a good team for this drat bull?
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Junpei posted:Okay what's a good team for this drat bull? i just went in with my usual G Gregor, N Faust, R Heathcliff, Tingtang, Chef Ryoshu it was a bit rough, partly cause I hadn't leveled them to 35 yet, but much less infuriating than Kromer
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The Bull's not too bad, you want to bring in at least 1 really strong clasher to deal with Charge In, but his other moves aren't too difficult to clash with. Do keep in mind you probably want to just defend against Overflowing Sorrow, if he loses 3 clashes with that move he starts going ham with his Gloom moves and those are extremely hard to clash + debuff you + buff him. Best damage types to use against him are Blunt/Gloom/Sloth, which means the new Rosespanner Workshop IDs + N Sinclair are pretty fantastic against him. Also the usual suspects are still good, W Don and R Heath still do absurd damage despite not being strong against him, etc.
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The key to dealing with Charge In is to use an evade action against it, which has the side-benefit of looking like you're doing the cool matador thing. The bull mostly only has one body part so anything that applies debuffs to it is very good value since it affects three dice at once. Mersault is great for this, but N Mersault and another Nails applier is even better. Ch 3 so far isn't bad at all at level 30 for the record, even with a sub optimal team(why does everything still resist slash).
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Wow it hadn't occurred to me that I could force the Bull to stay in form one by using defensives, that's a very neat strategy! It's weird because form 2 feels like you're intended to experience it but then if it takes just a single turn or two you start getting hopeless rolls on almost everyone and he rolls you over (please remember I am bad at this game and my RR clear-time was 168), I beat him because of form 2 making the head targetable and if you ever break that you pretty much win the next turn, so I was making sure the big it was clashed with but then everybody focused on getting un-clashed damage in and that won me the fight. After a couple of retries, but hey it worked!
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Okay managed to beat the second fight with a W Don/7 Outis/N Corp Faust/N Corp Sinclair/Reindeer Ish team.
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To be honest I completely hosed it up the first time; when it hit phase 2 I took a good look at all his stuff and realized I could've avoided it. That being said, he only lasted a single round in phase 2 because nothing really stands up to Quick Supression + Rip Space + Self-Destructive Purge.
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Yeah I just kind of murdered the thing…
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Strategy? I just had N Sinclair destroy it. That was my strategy for this entire chapter though, the sanity changes may have been bad for everyone else but they sure turbocharged him!
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Infinity Gaia posted:Strategy? I just had N Sinclair destroy it. That was my strategy for this entire chapter though, the sanity changes may have been bad for everyone else but they sure turbocharged him! Yeah... that's what I've been doing too. He's been doing around a third of my total damage on this level.
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Had a couple of nodes where Sinclair was doing almost half the party's total damage, which was kind of silly even by his standards.
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Arcvasti posted:(why does everything still resist slash). this chapter's resists are a 'bring new rodya' because she has both blunt and pierce which literally everything in it is weak to one or the other.
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I'm trying to see how far I can get at level 30 and still finish in 10 rounds, and I'm actually finding that Reindeer Ishmael works really well. She's all about building up momentum. She starts out really fragile, but once her sanity gets up, she gains charge real fast and clashes better than I remember. Mind Whip can beat up a robot real real well.
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I found getting the bull into form two very good, because if you beat three of the form two things he insta staggers. So just, use EGO against the head attacks to knock him out and turbo murder him in one go the turn after.
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The bull has a second form? What triggers it?
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Infinity Gaia posted:Strategy? I just had N Sinclair destroy it. That was my strategy for this entire chapter though, the sanity changes may have been bad for everyone else but they sure turbocharged him! There are some downsides so relying on him, fights later on take a while and he'll sometimes corrode while having 3 actions in a row and just murder your entire group definitely didn't happen to me twice e: Also the Rose boys are designed with one mission in mind: murdering N Faust. They are very good at it. I got more mileage out of L Faust against them. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1664462041879556096
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Yinlock posted:e: Also the Rose boys are designed with one mission in mind: murdering N Faust. They are very good at it. I got more mileage out of L Faust against them. Oddly enough, when I did the last fight for the first time, N Faust was the SOLE survivor and I SOMEHOW still won. I did not accomplish the 10 turns challenge, though. And advice on who I should bring? BTW, it took me many tries to do the Lv 32 three waves robot level 10 turns challenge, but I was able to do it thanks to threadspinning Wallop, Fluidsac and bringing N Faust, N Don, N Meursault, R Ishmael and N Sinclair. I hope one day, we'll see a stage with a different challenge (not counting the dungeons).
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My team for the last fight was R Heath, W Don, N Sinclair, 7 Outis, and Rose Rodion. It was honestly a pretty standard "just push the big buttons and watch big numbers", with the only real exception being Heath. I had to do a ton of defense and Bodysacks to ensure he really only spent ammo on Quick Supression. Still worked out really well though.
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I used R Heath, W Don, N Sinclair, L Faust, and Kurokumo Ryoshu/G Gregor depending on my mood The main challenge is having enough gas to outclash the boss because he will gently caress you up if you let him get going at all or if someone gets staggered
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Boksi posted:I figured that the reason the ampoules are expensive isn't because they're costly to make but because K Corp has a monopoly on their manufacture because they've patented them. They'd rather jack up the price sky-high and profit rather than make it cheap and available to all, kind of like insulin in America. This was how it read to me as well - I'm pretty sure the line was that it wouldn't make financial sense to use them without restrictions, not that they were necessarily expensive to produce. I can see how you'd go for an alternative interpretation since this happened in the context of security staff self-mutilating in order to qualify, which seems like a pretty silly inefficiency for the company making the stuff, but it's not like silly inefficiency has ever bothered a real company. 35 N Sinclair carried that entire chapter on his back, winrate handled everything up to the last fight where I used some ego. Rest of the team was my stock R Heath/Chef Ryoshu/Warp Don/N Faust. Warp Don would obviously have been dropped for Rose Rodya if I'd pulled her in time, but c'est la vie.
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Lunatic 0verlord posted:Oddly enough, when I did the last fight for the first time, N Faust was the SOLE survivor and I SOMEHOW still won. I've just been using full N Corp Team since they're all pierce/blunt and the fights in question don't have the bleed protection the robots have. Against said Robots I was using tremor/rupture squad with Both Rose Identities, N Don, Seven Outis and rotating the final option before settling on R Ishmael, because she's the highest blunt damage I have. I'd probably put in N Sinclair if I had him. Other rupture identities sometimes got played, but in the end the fact that robots are resistant to slash makes rupture not a good answer unfortunately. Outis Queen of Thorns EGO was an absolute life saver though. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Everyone else who has the EGO: Somber and sad Mersault: God bloody dammit, who's the loving twat that decided it would be a good idea to stab me with a broken umbrela?
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