PetraCore posted:

What do you mean? Given the mention of leaving the Heights to follow a Mistress and being friends with the wayward wolf, she's clearly in Nelly's place.

Something that stood out to me in this section of the Canto is that Nelly and Josephine are clearly loyal to different Mistresses, although Josephine seems ultimately loyal to Wuthering Heights itself as a stand-in to Joseph using God as his battering ram of judgement in the book. Given Josephine is a generation older at the least than Nelly, who still seems of an age with Hindley in Limbus Company, I'm guessing the Mistress Josephine is loyal to is Mrs. Earnshaw, which is interesting because she's such a minor character in the book because she dies when Catherine is... like, 7?

LostRook posted:

As Nelly mentions in Cathy's room, Mrs. Earnshaw is the one who sealed the basement in the first place. With the discussion of ghosts by child Catherine it makes me think the manor itself is the villain of the canto and possesses one of the golden boughs while Catherine has the other.

Goatse James Bond posted:

I don't think I can bring Sinkoutis to the fight without restarting the dungeon Outlet?utis? Outler?

Junpei posted:

Given Leviathan stuff, do you think that Jumsoon or Aseah are here?

PetraCore posted:

What do you mean? Given the mention of leaving the Heights to follow a Mistress and being friends with the wayward wolf, she's clearly in Nelly's place.

Yinlock posted:

i thought they specified she followed edgar but I guess I skimmed too much

anyway i'm kinda surprised Meursault was the gang leader and not like Lockwood but I guess Meursault is just emotionally distant rather than boring and self-absorbed

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Numbus26 posted:

From what I've gathered from part 1, it's clear that Cathy's whole 'mirror' thing—making the butlers take the mirrors out of the manor, 'looking at herself in the mirror' when the 'guest' arrived, is referring to the capital-M Mirror. I wonder if she was shown a version of herself that's happy with Heathcliff in it, the same way Kromer supposedly saw The Faust Who Grips and patterned herself based on that. And if so, how does this whole manor play get her closer to that? Because they've clearly set up that Cathy is still around in some way with all the ghost talk, even if she's not alive per se—maybe her Identity has been forced over somebody else?

Lord_Magmar posted:

I reckon Ghost Cathy controlling mirror Linton, Heathcliff and Hindley

Junpei posted:

May be early to call it but Cathy seems 200% more stable/sympathetic than Kromer ever was though. I don't doubt us fighting her, but it could be a Mirror Heathcliff, or Linton or Hindley getting worse.

LostRook posted:

That would make sense because of how much Butler Outis' story differs from the Canto. In that universe it seems like the families are colluding to hunt down Heathcliff and Hindley maybe still owns the manor. I wonder if the IDs are going to build up the backstory of the eventual boss in a way we haven't seen before.

Numbus26 posted:

It seems you were onto something. New IDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jd3lnGIGA

Lt. Lizard posted:

Really loved the Ryoshu advice of " if there are people pissing you off that much, why don't you just kill them".

Also was pretty surprised that she seems to have a soft spot for Heathcliff?

PetraCore posted:

Something that stood out to me in this section of the Canto is that Nelly and Josephine are clearly loyal to different Mistresses, although Josephine seems ultimately loyal to Wuthering Heights itself as a stand-in to Joseph using God as his battering ram of judgement in the book. Given Josephine is a generation older at the least than Nelly, who still seems of an age with Hindley in Limbus Company, I'm guessing the Mistress Josephine is loyal to is Mrs. Earnshaw, which is interesting because she's such a minor character in the book because she dies when Catherine is... like, 7?

Numbus26 posted:

It seems you were onto something. New IDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jd3lnGIGA

KobunFan posted:

So, they keep going on about some kind of Hunt. Anyone got a clue about that?

LostRook posted:

Dead Rabbits Meursault refers to Heathcliff as a hound, and Butis refers to the hunt being for a hound returned as a wolf.

It is curious that there is actually a banquet happening in the mirrorverse. More implications of shenanigans happening with two very different timelines affecting one another.

GilliamYaeger posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ko982byZuA

Man, Don's VA is going all-out lately.

Lt. Lizard posted:

I mean, aside the obvious lack of manpower/resources, it's true that dropping an April fools event in the middle of a canto would be a bit of a whiplash.

Goatse James Bond posted:

I'm suspicious that he's lying, tbh

it would be a funnier April fools that way

PetraCore posted:

Thinking about what we've seen of Catherine so far, and I'm not convinced she's the villain of the Canto even if she's definitely up to some weird and shady poo poo and may or may not be dead. I'm actually leaning towards not dead, because Nelly didn't see the body and we know Linton would lie about things to conspire with her. But the Oufi involvement and dividing of assets implies she's legally dead. It's weird. I'm holding off judgement.

But going back to the villain thing, I guess for me it's more that a lot if the things we've seen so far imply the shady stuff at Wuthering Heights goes back way further than her, and whatever she's doing now, it was triggered by a conversation with her mystery visitor. Heathcliff and Cathy overidentify and blur boundaries with each other so much in the book, I kind of feel like when she was talking about how she's the only thing Heathcliff has, she means Heathcliff is the only thing she has. There's a lot going on to imply she was a deeply unhappy person even given the luxuries she had that Heathcliff lacks, and the Limbus version seems similar, with the conversation about birds. She's definitely supposed to be smart, and the Limbus version asking for a multi-purpose wrench at the age of 6 instead of a horse whip implies a strong interest in engineering, but it also kind of feels like someone very carefully presented her with information in such a way as to provoke a specific reaction from her, and we need to know who that was and how she found out about the mirror worlds.

None of this prevents her from being a villain, of course, but I get the feeling Limbus is trying to make her a fairly complex character, and if she is alive at the end of this all, I could see a couple different ways it could go. I wouldn't call her Heathcliff's primary abuser at all from what we've seen so far, but there's always time for her to dig herself deeper in that emotional hole.

GilliamYaeger posted:

I'll agree that at the very least she isn't the mastermind in this whole thing, merely complicit in it. If she survives, she'll almost certainly end up with either of the shady antagonist groups - either N Corp or Demian. I'd lean towards N Corp.

Junpei posted: