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Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god



This a thread for discussing the idiotic global proxy war between a failing kleptocratic resource cursed hellhole and Russia. plus a few more random actors with 80 nukes to use





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...now/3277696001/

i think this'll probably be the one that kills us all because its even dumber than the last thought?S


https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...ar-weapon-test/

quote:

Radiation detectors across northern Europe have picked up a short-lived, non-dangerous release of radioactivity experts believe came from Russia. Authorities believe the leak, which was first detected in early June, is coming from western Russia. One possibility is that the test is in some way related to a new nuclear-powered cruise missile, which caused an accident in 2019 and several deaths.

The Associated Press reports that officials in Finland, Norway, and Sweden detected man-made radionuclides—that is, radionuclides that do not naturally occur in nature. According to the Barents Observer, Iodine 131 was detected by air monitoring stations at Svanhovd and Viksjøfjell, Norway, as well as a nuclear weapons monitoring facility at Svalbard. Analysis by the Dutch National Institute for Public Health indicates the source of the radiation is western Russia.

Iodine 131 is a radioisotope created as a result of nuclear fission, which is why scientists believe the radiation release is the result of an accident at a nuclear facility. According to the CDC, exposure to large amounts of Iodine 131 can cause burns to the eyes and skin. Iodine 131 ingested into the human body accumulates in the thyroid gland, causing thyroid cancer. Iodine 131 has a half-life of eight days, meaning it can disappear from the environment relatively quickly.

The amount of Iodine 131 released is considered “tiny” and not dangerous.

Finnish authorities also reportedly detected small levels of cobalt, ruthenium and cesium in mid-June. In late June, the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization, an international organization that monitors the globe for signs of nuclear weapons tests, detected radioactive isotopes across southern Sweden.

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Vasukhani has issued a correction as of 19:49 on Jun 30, 2020

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SorePotato
Dec 26, 2012





Idk sounds boring where are the communists

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god

SorePotato posted:

Idk sounds boring where are the communists

they have a lot more approval than Navalny or whoever the americans were trying to color revolution into power

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001


It's a much more multilateral world than it was during the OG Cold War, with India-Pakistan-China having a lot of potential for thermonuclear Armageddon over border skirmishes and the water resources of the Indus river valley system.

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god

Dreylad posted:

It's a much more multilateral world than it was during the OG Cold War, with India-Pakistan-China having a lot of potential for thermonuclear Armageddon over border skirmishes and the water resources of the Indus river valley system.

its unilateral in the mind of the Americans

kicking and screaming

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







The 2020 election is about who we should have a Cold War with, Russia or China.
https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich...2042633216?s=20
https://twitter.com/HKrassenstein/s...9057782789?s=20

Pompeo wants us to focus on the Marxist-Leninist China Regime
https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/statu...0807186439?s=20

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




were definitely more likely to have a second cold war around China than russia

except this time theres no real deeper ideological conflict since the entire world is dominated by capitalism, so at the end of the day it wont match the real stakes of the Cold War. itll be a largely fake facade of conflict while capitalists on both sides gladly hand each other billions back and forth generating Growth.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







I disagree with that view on China, but let's assumed that going forward the world is dominated by a multi-polar order of capitalist states. They are not going to cooperate, that's just believing in ultra-imperialism 2.0. The last period of a multi-polar capitalist order ended in World War 1.

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god

global cooperation and everyone getting along: the Highest Stage of Capitalism

VI lenijn

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




Vasukhani posted:

global cooperation and everyone getting along: the Highest Stage of Capitalism

VI lenijn

im not saying there wont be imperialist conflict, just that it wont be to such an existential level as it was during the Cold War

Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 21:43 on Jun 30, 2020

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

It will always be about people.


I guess everyone wrong back last month/week etc when China was our sole enemy that needed to be crushed. Either way, the situation is more like the 19th century than the Cold War where power blocs of Great Powers are angling for control over the world rather than a bipolar ideological conflict.

In this case though, Russia and China are clearly cooperating as well.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




Ardennes posted:

I guess everyone wrong back last month/week etc when China was our sole enemy that needed to be crushed. Either way, the situation is more like the 19th century than the Cold War where power blocs of Great Powers are angling for control over the world rather than a bipolar ideological conflict.

In this case though, Russia and China are clearly cooperating as well.

yeah its 19th century power blocs with nuclear weapons. so no way to explode the tension with an actual world war 3 (or if that does happen nothing really matters anymore and were all dead)

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

It will always be about people.


Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

yeah its 19th century power blocs with nuclear weapons. so no way to explode the tension with an actual world war 3 (or if that does happen nothing really matters anymore and were all dead)

Basically, it is the power politics of the 1890s with no WW1 to cap it off. Naval buildups, colonial proxy wars, and shifting alliances are all in the cards though.

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god



battle mammals

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







Ardennes posted:

I guess everyone wrong back last month/week etc when China was our sole enemy that needed to be crushed. Either way, the situation is more like the 19th century than the Cold War where power blocs of Great Powers are angling for control over the world rather than a bipolar ideological conflict.

In this case though, Russia and China are clearly cooperating as well.

China and Russia cooperating was an incredible own goal on the part of the US. I wonder if having Estonia in NATO was worth it.

The US has done a lot to create a coherent anti-US bloc by implementing so many sanctions and declaring trade wars. Apparently, when enough countries are cut off from the centers of global finance, they will start working together to create alternatives.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Everyone wanted to call the Cold War gone hot “World War III”, but let’s go back to 1914 terminology for the polypole Cold War II.

The Great Nuclear War

The Nuclear War to End All Wars

The Last World War

The End World War

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

shadow posting secretary




Putin is fighting for socially conservative values.

This is nothing more than a non ideological parlor game for neoliberal leaders.

A4R8
Feb 28, 2020



The bipartisan fear campaigns against China over the next decade is going to be nauseating. RussiaGate was just a preview.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







Chuka Umana posted:

Putin is fighting for socially conservative values.

This is nothing more than a non ideological parlor game for neoliberal leaders.

Kaiser Wilhelm II, King George V, and Tsar Nicholas were literally cousins and still ended up fighting country destroying wars that ended with one of them dethroned and the other executed.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

It will always be about people.


Chuka Umana posted:

Putin is fighting for socially conservative values.

This is nothing more than a non ideological parlor game for neoliberal leaders.

Putin is fighting for his wallet, his rule is all about throwing everything works at the wall and see what sticks. He can throw fear of gays, state capitalism, and nostalgia over the Second World War and see what works.

A4R8 posted:

The bipartisan fear campaigns against China over the next decade is going to be nauseating. RussiaGate was just a preview.

They are, but right now it is a good example of how it is going to every country that opposes us at the same time. Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Syria etc etc will all take turns in the 24 hour news cycle.

The news is split between covering the Hong Kong state security law and Russian bounties.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







Launching WW3 to avenge Staff Sgt. Slutman
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/stat...9333707776?s=20

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god


lmao that literally like 3/4 of the soldiers who died in afghan this year?

russia did em all???

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014



Staff Sergeant Christopher K.A. Slutman

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




more like K.O. Slutman!!!!!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







Vasukhani posted:

lmao that literally like 3/4 of the soldiers who died in afghan this year?

russia did em all???

We have to call out the libs for taking agency away from the Taliban, a PoC led organization, and attributing their actions to white people.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.









Vasukhani posted:



battle mammals

https://www.drabblecast.org/2013/12...alopod-command/

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Jozy loves scoring like a fat kid loves eating cake.



College Slice

glad to see the Dems going all in on being anti-Russia yet again in tyool 2020, after it worked so well the last five consecutive years they tried it

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/...8161872909?s=20
https://twitter.com/HolmesGandalf/s...8855184384?s=20

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53258965

President Donald Trump was not verbally briefed on reports Russia paid militants to kill US soldiers, said national security adviser Robert O'Brien, because of a lack of confidence in the intelligence.

The CIA officer decided the intelligence was not verified.


whoops

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012


If Tulsi was president, we would only have a Cold War with... Pakistan???

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I'll leave the past in the past, tomorrow's not promised
And today's just an anime titty I guess that's why it's the present







https://twitter.com/TimNaftali/stat...6648743938?s=20
https://twitter.com/yashalevine/sta...4647747584?s=20

Maximo Roboto posted:

If Tulsi was president, we would only have a Cold War with... Pakistan???

That's just a Cold War with China with extra steps

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012


Atrocious Joe posted:

That's just a Cold War with China with extra steps

With Gabbard it's more of a general Islamophobic counterjihad, just slanted towards South Asia, so it's more of a Cold War with the Saudis with extra steps

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1278534620712185858

zegermans
Oct 19, 2006




Vasukhani posted:



battle mammals

The only way for Russians to get battle sea mammals is for them to take over an allied construction yard though

Vasukhani
Jan 13, 2019

fish for the fish god

https://twitter.com/TeamPelosi/stat...717051608223744

Russia: Just like every other country

I like how almost everything she mentioned happened under obama

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001


vyelkin posted:

glad to see the Dems going all in on being anti-Russia yet again in tyool 2020, after it worked so well the last five consecutive years they tried it

I'm not in the US so correct me if I'm wrong but this particular scandal seems to actually have some teeth, although not because trump is a russian asset but he's just lazy as poo poo

although there's still time for the Dems to gently caress it up

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sullat
Jan 8, 2012


Dreylad posted:

I'm not in the US so correct me if I'm wrong but this particular scandal seems to actually have some teeth, although not because trump is a russian asset but he's just lazy as poo poo

although there's still time for the Dems to gently caress it up

This is like the impeachment though where the Dems are getting all hot and bothered by something stupid and inconsequential while ignoring all the other stuff going on. Pandemic profiteering? Yawn. Might stop forever war? Leap into action

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