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Britva Cutter
Jul 9, 2006

No, I'm in touch with humanity.


Figure 1: A Japanese version of an American classic.

In the beautiful and uneventful year 2020, we talk about cruisers. Some people have too much chrome, too little gear, and like to shift below the handlebars.

What is a cruiser?

Cruisers are what companies think Americans are nostalgic for: low seat, wide handlebars, forward pegs, fat rear wheel. They usually have a v-twin engine that has a high displacement, but revs low. They're also heavy. Very heavy.

Who makes cruisers?

Like, everybody. Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha all have their own. Ducati makes 'em. BMW is making one. Indian motorycycles is back with super expensive ones, along with forum-favorite Harley Davidson(R).

Why would I want a cruiser?

You want one because you're a big fan of straight roads, wearing leather (but not the protective kind), and chrome. Sons of Anarchy is your favorite show. You don't go on very long trips or very short trips. You really like to customize your bike with a lot of expensive accessories.

Why wouldn't I want a cruiser?

A lot of these things are still stuck in the motorcycle dark ages. Harley still thinks ABS is the hot new thing. Cruisers are expensive. KTM doesn't make a cruiser Duke. Dirt is a no-no.

Should I get a cruiser?

Yes. There's really no good reason except that cruisers are fun. There's a low roar of the engine, along with the forward facing seating position that is relaxing. You can't flick them like a sportbike. They're hot and probably air cooled. There's something about riding a cruiser that you either like or don't. Plus, you can make people's heads explode when you actually wear a full-face helmet.


Figure 2: A 2007 Harley-Davidson Dyna Low Rider. Note the copious amount of chrome and the upright seating.


Figure 2: An Indian Scout Sixty: A mid-life crisis.

Show me your cruisers! RIP C.A.H.O.G. Long live C.A.H.O.G.

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Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass



I have a Goldwing

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this


One day I'll buy a real Indian, but until I have a job that pays double what I'm making now I'm going to stick to my vulcan clone. It's as Indian as I am, looks like it but not enough to count.

Strife
Apr 20, 2001

What the hell are YOU?

I like cruisers.

First I had this bike, which I got 2 days after passing the MSF:



Then I traded it in for this bike because I needed some storage and stability on the highway:



But I obliterated that bike, so I bought this one:



And I love my Road Glide, but it's not really a motorcycle per se, it's more like a trike with two wheels if that makes sense. I actually kind of regret trading in that original Sportster, because they're just so dang customizable and fun. But they're really top heavy and suck on the highway, which is where I do most of my riding. The Road Glide is great for having a passenger, transporting a lot of poo poo, going long distances, and is surprisingly stable at low speeds. That said, the stock suspension is god drat terrible. I've heard I just didn't adjust it properly, but I thought I had.

HD catches a lot of poo poo for being slow, unreliable, having legacy technology, a high MSRP, and above all else, the worst fanbase. They're not meant to be fast (you can make them faster but yes a stock CBR1000RRRRRRR is going to beat a Harley any day), the reliability hasn't been an issue since the 90s, and they're starting to get ABS and TPMS and traction control as of 2018. The cost is somewhat comparable to other American cruisers, and the top end of their reasonable bikes is about $28k. You can get into a Sportster for like $8500, but they have smaller less expensive bikes if you can ignore the stigma.

At this point arguing against Harley is like arguing why a Playstation is better than an XBox or an iPhone is better than an Android: if you can afford it, it's really just a matter of preference.

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014



Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I have a Goldwing

I call mine a "bagger" around the Harley guys at work. It really is Honda's first attempt at a cruiser though, and only became a touring bike by necessity. It stopped being a "cruiser" in 88.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass



I dunno. Anyone Iím who knows even a little about bikes knows what you mean when you say Goldwing. There is even less variation there than just genetically saying ďHarleyĒ.

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014



Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I dunno. Anyone Iím who knows even a little about bikes knows what you mean when you say Goldwing. There is even less variation there than just genetically saying ďHarleyĒ.

Yeah probably, but they're not remembering that the wing started out as a naked with a low seat for big asses and neutral riding position ie a cruiser. It wasn't until someone figured out you can really eat up the miles on them that @Loderunner's old man starting making aftermarket fairings and bags for them. Honda wanted a piece of that action and came out with the Interstate and dropped the standard, and the bike ballooned from there. The rest is history until the Valkyrie came out.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass



Please do not act like someone with an OG naked wing would simply just say ďGoldwingĒ when referring to their bike lol

ďWhat kind of bike do you have?Ē

ďA Goldwing, but a naked one, you know? Without all the fairings and bags and windshield? Like a regular 70ís Honda but with a boxer motor like a Porsche or Subaru. They keep the crank down low in the oil which helps with longevity. Itís not like the new ones that look a lot like Harleyís, this one just looks like a normal motorcycle. Itís from that small window of time when you could buy them naked or maybe convert some of the older ones. There were also aftermarket fairings youíd sometimes see on them but mine doesnít have any of that. Still has all of the good qualities of the newer wings though so itís like the best of both worlds you know? Eats up miles but is still aesthetically rooted in 70ís UJM design. Hey where are you going? You donít even know whether I use car tires yet or not! Spoiler alert I do and itís called dark siding but itís really the way to go becauseĒ

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002


Strife posted:

HD catches a lot of poo poo for being slow, unreliable, having legacy technology, a high MSRP... the top end of their reasonable bikes is about $28k.

Strife posted:

reasonable

I was going to give you poo poo about considering 28k reasonable, but that's not an argument only that lands against HD. Indians can cost even more (a Roadmaster is $29K MSRP), Goldwings are in that ballpark.

As far as I can tell, reliability really isn't an issue with HD and hasn't been for decades, as you said. I think Harleys probably see more miles than the majority of other bikes on the road, too - Harley riders might have a rep for trailering their bikes everywhere, but I get the impression that's mostly BS. One of the local dealers by me has 7 or 8 used 2019s on the floor with more than 20k miles on them already, and hands down the highest mileage bikes I most frequently see are HD touring models.

Strife
Apr 20, 2001

What the hell are YOU?

Jazzzzz posted:

I was going to give you poo poo about considering 28k reasonable, but that's not an argument only that lands against HD. Indians can cost even more (a Roadmaster is $29K MSRP), Goldwings are in that ballpark.

Yeah I just meant because the CVO models are unreasonable. Both in price and function.

Britva Cutter
Jul 9, 2006

No, I'm in touch with humanity.

Jazzzzz posted:

I was going to give you poo poo about considering 28k reasonable, but that's not an argument only that lands against HD. Indians can cost even more (a Roadmaster is $29K MSRP), Goldwings are in that ballpark.

As far as I can tell, reliability really isn't an issue with HD and hasn't been for decades, as you said. I think Harleys probably see more miles than the majority of other bikes on the road, too - Harley riders might have a rep for trailering their bikes everywhere, but I get the impression that's mostly BS. One of the local dealers by me has 7 or 8 used 2019s on the floor with more than 20k miles on them already, and hands down the highest mileage bikes I most frequently see are HD touring models.

Itís been years since Iíve seen a bike on a trailer. I give my bike some grief for some things, but itís built like a rock. Maneuvers like one too

Britva Cutter
Jul 9, 2006

No, I'm in touch with humanity.

Hereís my Dyna Low Rider. Even has the sun glinting off the chrome.

arbybaconator
Dec 18, 2007


Hereís my 2020 Lowrider S. I recently added an Edward Richie Sissy Bar, Whiplash Seat, Joker Machine pegs, Biltwell alumni core grips, RRI front led signals, and a lay down plate holder.

A moon low profile tail light with integrated signals is hopefully going on this weekend.

kenny powerzzz
Jan 20, 2010


I picked up a 2001 Road King. Iíve been modding it into a west coast cholo/vicla style bike. Iíve done stretched bags, 16Ē apes, a rear fender overlay, a 21Ē front wheel and a few smaller things. I also have stretched side covers I have to paint up and install yet. I bought it for a really great price and have lost any equity I had with these parts. Iím enjoying it more than I expected.

kenny powerzzz fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jul 26, 2020

Strife
Apr 20, 2001

What the hell are YOU?

kenny powerzzz posted:

I picked up a 2001 Road King. Iíve been modding it into a west coast cholo/vicla style bike. Iíve done stretched bags, 16Ē apes, a rear fender overlay, a 21Ē front wheel and a few smaller things. I also have stretched side covers I have to paint up and install yet. I bought it for a really great price and have lost any equity I had with these parts. Iím enjoying it more than I expected.

How tall are you? I have 9" bars on my bike and I can't conceive of what it's like to ride with anything higher, but I'm only about 5'9.

kenny powerzzz
Jan 20, 2010


Strife posted:

How tall are you? I have 9" bars on my bike and I can't conceive of what it's like to ride with anything higher, but I'm only about 5'9.

Iím 6í2Ē. The grips end up at or slightly above my shoulder level. Iím actually surprised to experience nothing negative from them such as shoulder fatigue or hand numbness. They seem a little daunting at first but after getting used to them I donít feel nervous or afraid Iím going to drop it or lose control. I canít say they are as safe and maneuverable as a more normal bar though, because theyíre not.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020



As Nero Danced posted:

One day I'll buy a real Indian, but until I have a job that pays double what I'm making now I'm going to stick to my vulcan clone. It's as Indian as I am, looks like it but not enough to count.



Is that a Drifter or a regular Vulcan with a Drifter front fender?

Did you take the back fender off?

I've had an 03 Indian Spirit, an 01 Drifter 800, and an 09 Indian Chief.

The Kawasaki was probably the most fun to ride out of the 3 of them, and the closest to a 50s motorcycle in weight and wheelbase.

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As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this


PeterCat posted:

Is that a Drifter or a regular Vulcan with a Drifter front fender?

Did you take the back fender off?

I've had an 03 Indian Spirit, an 01 Drifter 800, and an 09 Indian Chief.

The Kawasaki was probably the most fun to ride out of the 3 of them, and the closest to a 50s motorcycle in weight and wheelbase.

It's a vulcan 900 classic with a custom fiberglass fender (I don't think if it would fit on a drifter 800, the guy's site said it was specific to the 900). The rear is the stock fender, I just hide it with the bags. I wish it had the 800 rear fender but I'm not sure how much work would be involved. As it is this bike was cheap to get where I wanted and looks pretty drat good to me so I have no complaints.

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