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Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Wilbur Swain posted:

A lot of people live in these areas because options are limited. Housing is in one place, retail in another, offices somewhere else. This is what I'm talking about when I say redevelop commercial corridors.

This is a basic and fairly unambitious redevelopment that still gives cars too much space, but it increases density, raises the tax base making transit funding more attainable, makes work and shopping accessible for those that live there, and also makes it easy for nearby transit access. If people like your brother had an option to live here instead of isolated in a housing development, many would take it.

This "mixed use" model has already become the default for new developments in every suburban area in the midwest. It does really well at attracting millennials who want to work for companies in these areas but also don't want to buy houses or rent dilapidated apartments that aren't near nightlife.

You can't toss a rock without hitting a mixed-use development in Columbus/Cincinnati/Cleveland.

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Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Mat Cauthon posted:

So how does this work with Walmart and other large retailers mandating masks?

I feel terrible for the people who work in those stores, there's no way someone isn't going to pick a fight over this.

Walmart is supposedly hiring people for the sole purpose of enforcement. So, mask security guards.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

If OH-01 is a toss-up, there's no way that OH-12 isn't as well. They're both gerrymandered to hell, and Steve Chabot has held OH-01 for 25 years except when Obama got elected, and the district bizarrely went for him (it went Bush twice, then went over 50% for Romney and Trump). He got put back when the GOP retook the house. In OH-12, Balderson barely won special election and reelection. He's up against a much stronger candidate this time.

I think that, if anything, they're downplaying how bad these are for the GOP.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

The Glumslinger posted:

In 2013/4 Dems still controlled the Senate

I think you both have a point. They didn't believe the idea, at the time, that McConnell would literally never allow another SCOTUS appointment. Whether or not this was naive is up for debate, but even what he did in an election year was absurd and unprecedented. Once it was clear that he was willing to go that far, it was too late.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Bubbacub posted:

Kids at a skate park are tougher than the Feds wearing body armor
https://twitter.com/evo_kositz/status/1285231050487209987?s=21

I know a 50 year old man who got this same injury doing crossfit and still finished the workout.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

For the record, Cleveland had 14,000 police officers for the 2016 RNC. Only 1,000 of them were Cleveland PD.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

VitalSigns posted:

An important part of being a politician is being able to get along with others no matter how bad they are, like Bill Clinton or Donald Trump getting along with Jeffrey Epstein

Ah yes, noted elected government official Jeffery Epstein.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

T. Bombastus posted:

I'm not really upset at AOC for being collegial with people at work, but her ability to achieve progressive policy is literally never going to hinge on whether or not she was nice to a Republican unless there is a truly dramatic sea change in the way Congress works.

Much more important that she gets along with the Joe Manchins and Krysten Sinemas of the world than the Matt Gaetzes.

Her ability to get along with people at work affects her like every normal job. No one wants to work with the person who acts like a dick to people, even if you otherwise agree with their politics. Congresspeople are in fact actual human beings who don't want to work in a toxic personal environment, not robots built by their constituency that are activated for votes. As personal as politics can be, it's politics is work for these people.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery
The idea that Biden doesn't have a personal agenda against Trump is absurd on its face. Trump was impeached for trying to impugn Biden's son with the goal of prosecuting him on false evidence, just to hamstring Biden. You'd not just be arguing that Biden is more conservative than he lets on, but that he's also somehow such a paragon of true belief in the secret conservatism that he would forgive every malfeasance against him in pursuit of it.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Note: the Ohio Democratic Party is still too incompetent to actually capitalize on this.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Monaghan posted:

Good on Obama for actually using his eulogy to advocate for change that John Lewis would have wanted instead of taking the safe route and going on about what a hero and brave guy John was.

Obama has, by all accounts, spent his retirement towards the cause of voter enfranchisement.

PeterCat posted:

It amazes me that people are still falling for Obama's schtick of saying something hopeful and progressive when he has no ability to implement it. Where was this Obama when he was in office?

Meanwhile, you've been posting on a dead message board.



I'm counting the minutes until "leftists" realize that enfranchisement of DC and PR means 4 more Dem senators and therefore letting (brown) people vote is now bad.

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Xombie fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 31, 2020

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Grouchio posted:

So Susan Rice and Harris are the presumtive 2 candidates left to be picked for Veep. Who's better/worse?

Neither of these picks will matter to the race in and of themselves. Rice is more likely to actually have a say in policy decisions, while Harris will no doubt be sidelined by Biden. The Benghazi crowd is already within Trumps 40% base, and no one outside of that really cares anymore. Rice could bait the Trump team into focusing on Benghazi again, rather than actually addressing all of the multitude of crises going on right now that people give a poo poo about, thus ensuring he never pivots or grabs absolutely zero undecideds. This may be the entire reason they're picking her, along with already having planned to put her into a position in the administration.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Cpt_Obvious posted:

It just feels so tone deaf. We're in the middle of a massive spike of unemployment, we're about to have hundreds of thousands of evictions across the nation, and congress may not even pass the meager crumbs we need to survive. Now is not the time to brag about your fancy car.

That car is from 1966.

edit: To expound, that exact car has been owned by him since 1966. It was a wedding gift from his dad.

Xombie fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Aug 6, 2020

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Cpt_Obvious posted:

I don't understand how that makes any difference. Flashing around money is a fairly tasteless thing to do when people are losing their jobs and soon their homes. I also didn't think that this was a controversial opinion.

I mean he's literally had that car since 1966. It was a wedding gift from his dad. At the time it cost about the same as a mid-range SUV does now, adjusted for inflation.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery
The idea that Biden should only and solely pander to people worried about the economy is also a terrible campaign strategy. I'm not sure what voters he's supposed to land by pretending he doesn't have that car, which he's shown and spoken about multiple times as VP. On top of that, he's using it to advance the campaign message of being pro-auto industry and pro-electric cars. Showing he's a normal human being with interests and passions is a very not-controversial way to campaign. Not every campaign ad should be doom and gloom impersonal messaging.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Terminal autist posted:

You understand what generational wealth is right?

Biden's dad was a middle class used car salesman.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Cpt_Obvious posted:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/07/09/joe-biden-made-15-million-obama-administration/1686674001/

He made 15 million dollars after leaving office. So, his current wealth level is indeed quite high. His father was also a wealthy oil businessman who went through some financial troubles and was later forced to sell cars. Joe also spent his youth in private schools. So it's not really fair to say that he lived a "middle class" life.

Biden's dad was not wealthy by the time he was born. Also, I spent my youth in private schools and my parents were a cubicle IT worker and an elementary school teacher (at the school I went to). Lots of the people I went to school with were lower class. A lot of middle class parents sacrifice to put their kids through private schools. I'm sorry, but at this point you're just lying to fit what you wanted to believe in the first place.

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Also, that car is today worth closer to 60k, which isn't huge but still not something you should be showing off when people are getting kicked out of their homes.

It's a bad thing for him to show because it's accrued value? Should he pretend he's homeless too, or that he doesn't have a home that's increased in value? That he doesn't have a retirement investment account? What exactly is the point of this? Pretending he's in the same boat as everyone else is asinine and a transparent lie. What makes you think people want to be pandered to like that?

It's only "worth" that much if he sells it. Right now it's just the same piece of metal he got in 1966.

Xombie fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Aug 6, 2020

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Morrow posted:

I mean we can quibble about the ad: I learned from this forum that hes had that car since 1966 when it was a wedding gift and weirdly, to me, keeping that car in good condition fifty years later says a lot about him as a person (even if he's probably just paying a mechanic for most of it) and its definitely something they should have highlighted.

I feel like they already highlighted this when he said it brings memories of his dad. That was what gave the inclination to me of "jesus how long has he had this car?". That man died of old age in 2002.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

1glitch0 posted:

Will a lot of colleges go broke if there is no college football?

Football is a big donation boost for colleges with good teams, but the effect of one lost season is no where in the realm of the effect of the current economic downturn.

Also not being able to sell tickets would make funding the season a total wash.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Roadie posted:

For the vast majority of colleges, college football is a money sink. Only a tiny number of schools actually make any money off it.

The money is made in increased donations during football/basketball season. It is a giant advertisement for the university to its alumni.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

VH4Ever posted:

Optics, optics, optics. I wouldn't go anywhere. I'd give press conference after press conference on the steps of Congress calling out the number of days since the CARES act passed and asking when Mitch will come out of his shell and do something. Pound away at them. Don't tuck tail and run like cowards. I mean, that's what this looks like.

I work in IT. If there's an all hands emergency you all stay onsite together until it's fixed or at least mostly fixed. Being first out the door is a REALLY bad look.


I hear what you're saying I just...I wonder if this can be too easily made into something it's not.

There is a tendency for people in this thread, when met with the fact that the Dems have run into the brick wall that is lack of control of the Senate, that the failure is actually on the Dems because of some mysterious "messaging" error they're making. As if unlocking Mitch McConnell requires some sort of incantation. Screaming at the press that the Republicans are worthless is not going to move the GOP an inch. Making a bigger spectacle out of it is just an enormous waste of everyone's time. The GOP does not give one single gently caress about "optics".

The Senate GOP does not have to do a single thing until the moment it wants to.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Sharks Eat Bear posted:

Even if the GOP dgaf, it could help fire up the Dem base and maybe help demotivate some of the more “traditional” center-right republican voters

There is no actual reason to believe it accomplishes any of these things.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

Why did Obama pick Biden as vp in the first place?

He was inheriting two wars with near zero foreign policy experience, and Biden chaired the Senate Foreign Relations committee several times.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Kraftwerk posted:

Does anyone outside the locked-in republican base actually give a poo poo about Benghazi? I really don't believe Rice would tank Biden's numbers the way some people think she would. I would be more worried about name recognition instead. Sort of like how Tim Kaine was basically just a connected party insider with Hilary as his patron but has absolutely no value outside the party.

No, they don't. If anything it's good bait to get the Trump campaign to go back to talking about Benghazi while the economy falls apart and people continue to die from coronavirus and the cities flare up with protests again. Benghazi kinda worked when there wasn't anything else going on and lots of undecideds against an opponent most people didn't like to begin with, when Trump wasn't actually an elected official that was supposed to be dealing with real problems.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Nonsense posted:

I dont know a single Biden voter who intends to do so in person.

I'm considering it. If there's continued shenanigans with the USPS, my polling place is literally behind my back yard.

Of course that's also why I think any "stolen" election will fail. People will still go vote. I also don't think that Trump can successfully get mail-in ballots tossed. He can only, at best, slow them. But they'll get counted anyway.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

TwoQuestions posted:

Why do you think this? There's no reason to believe Florida will count mail-in ballots from unfriendly counties, and they already have a history of making sure the right guy wins.

As far as the rest of the States go, there's enough Trump cultists to do whatever the President says to delay "Bad, Fraudulent votes!" on the 5th.

Predicting anything but the worst is dangerously naive.

There are 278 EC's in blue states or swing states with Dem governors and Secretaries of State, not including North Carolina (who would make it 293).

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

The Glumslinger posted:

My very lib family is excited for Kamala, so whatever

No doubt this is what tipped her against Rice. Also Rice will probably just get some other position in the administration while Kamala gets sent to the WH voicemail from Naval Observatory.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

TwoQuestions posted:

I was more referring to yohoos who are glued to Fox and OANN for 16 hours/day slashing tires and calling in bomb threats and the like.

His cult isn't enough to win on votes, but it can win in other ways.

Ok? I'm not really concerned with your vague personal wildest fantasies.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Dunite posted:

Is there any chance people have been holding onto hit pieces for Kamala until she got the nomination?

How can we expect any systemic change when the top cop is in office?

Vice President is an office that only has as much power as the President deems to give them. I don't think there's any reason to believe that Biden will defer to Harris on anything.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

I guess Biden doesn't have to sell Kamala to potential voters, Trump's campaign will do it for them.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Man I don't know guys, Harris is sounding pretty good now.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Judakel posted:

That wasn't a miss. They are going to hit her from both sides in order to rile up their base and depress voter turnout in the age of BLM.

There is absolutely no indication they are going to attack her from the left, or have anyone capable of trying.

Their primary argument against BIDEN is that he's a radical socialist.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

"They'll attack her from the left" is the new "Trump is going to pivot", no doubt.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Judakel posted:

The statement they just released acknowledged that she was running from her record as a prosecutor.

Spoiler alert: the record they are talking about are not the things you think are bad.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Macrame_God posted:

So I'm guessing we can forget about any meaningful law enforcement reform, right (marijuana legalization too)?

I'm still wondering why people think that Kamala's going to become Dick Cheney and not Dan Quayle. She was an obvious pick to try to pander to key voting blocs, not some close personal friend and advisor of Joe Biden.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Macrame_God posted:

I know that. I was hoping that maybe he'd signal a willingness to cater to progressives with his pick. I'm getting real sick and tired of having to choose between crypto fascism and preserving the status quo. :sigh:

There's no reason to use a pick like this to cater to progressives because they're not going to vote for Trump. They are far more worried about reassuring centrists/suburbanites that are potential swing voters.

Judakel posted:

They absolutely are, and you can tell that is the implication from the context. They claim she embraced anti-police ideas so as to obfuscate her record as a prosecutor. I have no idea how you're this obnoxious when you clearly can't even read.

How is "embracing anti-police ideas" attacking her from the left? Want to take a third swing at this?

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Again, Trump continuing to try to get me to like Harris.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Ginette Reno posted:

Kamala "checkes all the boxes"



Those boxes being loving poor people, supporting cops, and loving capitalism

Well if he wants swing voters, then he's not wrong.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

Gatts posted:

If Kamala becomes Pres during Biden’s term does she pick a Veep?

edit: nevermind, I'm wrong.

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Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing Black Sorcery

keep punching joe posted:

Something tells me that Harris' ancestry from a slave owner didn't originate from a particularly romantic scene.

Britain outlawed slavery in 1834, that person died in 1844, and Jamaica is 92% black. 25% of Jamaicans consider themselves Irish-Jamaican. Every descendant of a plantation owner still in Jamaica is black at this point.

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