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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




If we're going into cartoon people voters as a sentient talking dog does Scooby Doo count as a citizen?

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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




The Oldest Man posted:

Why settle for a cop-adjacent enabler from solid blue California when you could have an actual cop from a swing state?
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/19/880505034/val-demings-is-a-possible-vp-pick-for-biden-but-her-police-career-gives-some-pau

I think for all the reasons listed previously and the fact that Harris is photogenic and well known is why she's the pick.

quote:

Making fun of Trump's walk, shape, hair, etc isn't body shaming because the joke isn't his physical form, it's about the lies he embraces about it. Him being obese isn't funny- him being obese while claiming to weigh 220 and having his sycophants draw him like John Hamm IS funny.

Yeah it's this. Trump tries to sell the idea he's Strong Daddy Alpha Male Successful Businessman. But whines constantly, almost everyday about unfavorable coverage and so on.

So I think if you're a public figure trying to literally sell yourself on the idea you're hypermasculine healthy in mind and body you're fair game to criticism and mockery on that front when you're clearly not.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





I like how this is all a cynical ploy to scare suburban white voters who Trump lost last election into the idea the country is falling apart and it needs Big Strong Daddy to protect them from Those People.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/29/trump-housing-policy-low-income-suburbs-386414

Speaking of trump trying to use racism to spook suburban voters

Going all in on it clearly. You know, this would be really easy for Joe Biden to call out with his bully pulpit and force Trump on the defensive. Because he'd punch back, too hard. And just talk about it nonstop on how he's not a racist not a racist but we gotta keep Those People Out.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




DaveWoo posted:

He called for a whole lot more than just that:

https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1288900571785760777

Genuinely surprised that he went this far.

So did I. And I agree with all of it. All of it would mean the end of the modern republican party and I am all for it.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




PeterCat posted:

It amazes me that people are still falling for Obama's schtick of saying something hopeful and progressive when he has no ability to implement it. Where was this Obama when he was in office?

Because Obama is a statesman and I've been dying of thirst for positive messaging for over 4 years now.

Honestly it's good criticism, but it's still nice to see Obama is using his power to push the party to adopt these viewpoints.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Rockit posted:

True but then i remembered that BP, the DHS, and the police exist. Those together plus militia does an army make even if it's not one that will win.

If we want to see 1000 years of progressive darkness we can only hope Trump tries some shady poo poo after losing, because it would damage the republican brand beyond repair.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jul 31, 2020

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




I'm gonna keep repeating this until I'm blue in the face because people SEEM to keep wanting this to be true, Trump is not going to try a coup or stay in office after losing. He can't even come up with a reason why he should have a second term. It will have to be an ambiguous electoral victory for him to have the balls to do anything and we're probably in for another 5 to 4 decision from the Supreme Court again in that case.

This was a
A. Primarily a distraction effort from the bad economic numbers today and it was completely successful. He literally made that post minutes after the news came out. This was pre-planned
B. Testing the waters to see if any republicans would potentially go along with it. Congressmen and women and senators shut him down, hard.

Election day is happening on schedule just like it has for 200 years.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Fame Douglas posted:

Ah yes, more 5D chess from grand master Trump. Distracting from the bad economic numbers by making it seem like he's trying to destroy US democracy. What an amazing strategy! That's going to win the election so hard.

I have never suggested Trump was guilty of being intelligent. In a democracy you don't suggest canceling elections when you're in a position of strength. He's telegraphing his weakness and anxiety. It was a mistake to make that tweet and do a loyalty test.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




shirunei posted:

Do you have an actual source on that? I looked which is the only reason I made that statement as I couldn't find jack.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...mes-poll-shows/

You have to understand too that this focuses on career military, which is typically a very different mindset than people who join for financial reasons or as a stepping stone to future careers. That and post bible PR interviews the top brass of the military admitted they made a major mistake and were going to be more careful about stuff like that in the future. Basically, Trump does not have the loyalty of the military.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




sexpig by night posted:

https://twitter.com/BernieWatchdog/status/1288614348148092929

I love that this was before he decided to finally grow a spine and ask for things he never tried for as president

Uh, so after listening to the clip I don't think Michelle said anything incorrect there actually. She's right when she says that government is very poor at marketing itself and we take things for granted. That's why you have all these rear end in a top hat idiots decrying how BIG GUBMIT DONT WORK.

When it totally does work. But it also fails at some things too. It's a process that takes time to improve and is only hurt by people believing it doesn't work.

quote:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




World War Mammories posted:

no, we're being very specific about this: this is infuriating because of who's saying it. barack and michelle obama were the president and first lady of the united states of america for eight long years. barack in particular was literally the single person on earth most able to approach these problems he's decrying. yet he didn't. rather, he made them worse: the abject failure in flint thrown into stark relief by that goddamn sip of water; the dismantling of OFA, ACORN, the Sanders movement, and a plethora of other ways that "young people" were doing exactly what he asks for; installing perez over ellison; letting the GOP write a Heritage Foundation bill in the ACA and getting zero votes for it; all the other seven million times he offered the world to the GOP and got nothing for it; the list goes on. and yet here they are, acting as if they have no blood on their hands, because they couldn't possibly have done something so insane as "have a marketing budget."

of course you two are trying to conflate this leftist critique of power use to chuds whining about gubmint, though. they want the government to do nothing, we want the government to actually do something to bring about positive change, but you can see no difference between them.

I like how you're putting words and thoughts into my mouth. I can agree and hold most of those same criticisms of Barack Obama's administration while agreeing with the message Michelle had there there as well. It's not mutually exclusive.

But I gotta push back against the idea Obama stands by and does nothing. Young people aren't consistently showing up to vote, and he's right about that. And hey what do you know, he suggested making voting day a national holiday and has been actively working towards removing voting restrictions. So far his post presidency agenda has seemingly been focused on that when not getting paid massive amounts of money to give speeches.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Blurred posted:

The fact that Barack Obama failed to solve all of the world's problems during his 8 years as president doesn't disqualify him from holding legitimate opinions about what can be done to improve the nation. I'm not sure exactly what he said, but the idea that young people on the whole should be more politically engaged is absolutely right in principle. There's no reason for any young people who are already politically engaged to take personal offence at that idea.

And look, I understand this forum's desire to puncture the liberal myth of Obama as a particularly exceptional president, but it gets a little bit tiring constantly having the same conversations about what he failed to achieve as president. No-one here is under any illusions about the fact that he was a fairly milquetoast, bureaucratic and centrist president who did little to advance enduring leftist causes. But he is what he is: re-litigating his lack of revolutionary zeal every time he opens his mouth is not going to achieve much either. We need to view every politician as a mere instrument, not as a potential saviour. Barack Obama certainly failed to rescue us from ourselves, but if he is capable of doing anything that might incidentally advance leftist causes (such as enthusing young people to get out and vote Democratic down-ballot) then I hope he keeps talking.

Thank you, this is kinda what I've been going with and said much much more succiently. Even if I have a lot of criticisms of Obama's tenure, I'm glad he's talking about this now and pushing this as a standard the democratic party should adopt.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




nine-gear crow posted:

Anyone he picks then is DOA in ‘24 anyway because America will never vote for a woman for president. Sneaking one in past the goal lines as VP is the best you’ll ever do.

A female won the popular vote in 2016 though. By millions of votes.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Kraftwerk posted:

Rashida Tlaib officially wins her primary.
I noticed her victory isn't being talked about much by major outlets. CNN and NBC spent more time talking about how Tlaib lost the primary to Jones for the rest of John Conyers' term and then how she only won by 1% point for the 2018 term. It's hard to even tell if she won or not unless you dig super deep or look at the NYT results counter.

She beat Jones by like double with a comfortable victory. But nobody talks about that.

Yeah if you read politico or anything about Ilhan Omar's race it tries to sell the idea it's a horse race. That her opponent is so we'll funded is all it talks about. Gives idea she's is a position of weakness.

She's up 37 points.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




NVM. Was posting about posting. It was a mistake.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Jewel Repetition posted:

Or if the president is mentally incompetent, like Reagan, or Dubya, or Biden.

I don't think it's fair to call Dubya mentally incompetent.

Just incompetent.

Edit: I have long curly hair, and women come up and touch me all the time. It can be an invasion of privacy depending on the circumstances but I don't really mind it either. I'm also like Biden in that my standards for personal space can clash with other folks.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Sodomy Hussein posted:

Biden has never once really entertained shoring up the extreme left wing of the party except to do one better than Hillary and have an actual amicable relationship with Bernie. Trump is just going to run on Biden being the socialist antichrist and running that against Kamala makes as little sense as possible. Everyone's moderate (D) parents love Kamala. From a strategic standpoint it's a good pick. If you were hoping for an interesting pick, not really.

Yeah this is exactly right. Trump trying to go on and on and on about how Biden is a literal communist takeover of America just falls flat. Especially with Harris on the ticket. It's kinda like when throughout his entire presidency the republican party kept going on and on and on about how Obama was a socialist who wants to destroy America and I feel like that backfired. If Obama was a socialist antichrist then when things didn't significantly change it kinda becomes to boy who cried wolf scenario.

With Hillary, there was enough hysteria and history there where these accusations can land, especially when she did a terrible job of campaigning.

I think Kamala is a terrible campaigner and her past stuff is pretty shady, but as 538 points out most politicians actually do try to keep campaign promises. I'm disappointed by another 4 to 8 years of moderate democratic presidencies but eh. Could be worse. Here is hoping we eventually can get rid of "first past the post" voting.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Djarum posted:

It's a bad choice but I still contend that Lieberman was worse for Gore.

Republicans go on and on about RINOS but Lieberman pretty much was just a republican who is pro-choice.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




SalTheBard posted:

He is slurring so bad.

Yeah what's up with this? I'd say he's drunk but apparently he doesn't drink. Hamburglers are his drug of choice.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Captain Stalin posted:

It cannot be the Biden campaign's actual strategy to have the Trump attacks sell Harris to the left.

But it could absolutely be a side effect of Trump being Trump.

Will there be a special election or does the governor get to pick her replacement for the rest of her term?

I don't think it will make people love Harris but Trump is gonna be Trump and be a racist and misogynist towards Harris and that probably isn't going to go over well. You can dominate a news cycle that way if you're smart about it.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Fallom posted:

how do people come up with this poo poo

Yeah like. It's possible she tries to run for president but uh. This very election she did a piss-poor job and clearly was not ready for prime time. If they win and she gets VP and matures as a national politician, maybe? But that bridge is far into the future.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





I'd suggest she should get some pizza to celebrate but you can't really know if it's one of those pizza chains that has the rape dungeon that services the shadowy pedophile cabal that runs the world.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





It's too bad that Biden isn't a better campaigner because you could run that quote into the ground until November.

Seriously though. loving shameful and disgusting racism.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1296191661597433862

trumps gonna be tweeting alot tonight and tomarrow.

Yeah the tweet storm is going to be delicious.

I basically agree with everything Obama is saying here, and honestly he's right. And it's funny. Had Trump actually tried, actually cared, and actually thought of the presidency as a calling rather than a device to self-enrich and air out his lifetime of insecurities. Had he actually put in the work the american people need and been the swamp drainer he claimed to be, he would be getting the adulation and attention from everyone he's craved all his life.

In his words, one term presidents are seen in history as losers. He's going to have a special place in that ironic hell now.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





Half of me thinks it's hilarious that this idiot is giving money away to a really dumb racist idea and got conned by obvious swindlers.

The other half feels really sad they are never going to see that money back that they desperately need and I have sympathy for their disillusionment.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




cr0y posted:

Here's a fun thought experiment. Would you be willing to trade an effective covid vaccine that arrives in October but the cost is Trump getting re-elected.

I ask this because we have a ton of vaccine news that is going to be hitting in the late October timeframe, and my excitement is always met with a bit of concern that despite doing nothing to help a vaccine along he would likely get some of the upside in the polls.

I would say the thought experiment is flawed because a vaccine doesn't solve the crisis and as much as Trump inevitably touts it as a victory it's not really.

But yes. I would prefer actual lives being saved who otherwise didn't have to die rather than bullshit partisan squabbles.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





I can't wait for all these heroes to come out one by one if Trump loses and talk about how they alone held back his worst impulses, that they were the adults in the room. Heroes, all of them.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Eminai posted:

If we're counting people who didn't believe but still went through the motions because it was politically/socially convenient he's not in the first dozen.

If I recall correctly, Jefferson has an entry in his diary about how George Washington basically dealt with the more entrenched religious folks up this way, he never would talk about what he really believed in, but would kinda go along with whatever religious faction he was dealing with, and give the impression he's "one of them" and just play dumb.

And jefferson commented how George was being a "old cunning fox."

Edit: This is not to say GW was atheist. He did practice religion, but he was quiet about it and just knew how to play up to peoples expectations.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Aug 23, 2020

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Willo567 posted:

So what happens if Trump actually loses on election night, and claim the results are illegitimate?

It'll cause a swell of problems if he loses by margins that are pretty narrow you'll probably see the republican party nervously pitch in with him and hope for the best out of the chaos that will ensue. The riots for George Floyd were/are bad but then the riots will really begin. But he doesn't have intelligence community, he doesn't have the military, he has 30% of the country that is (currently) loyal to him and the rest either hate or don't care about him. I think Biden will survive and we will have a peaceful transition of power but it'll be a nightmare.


If Biden wins big enough where no amount of needling election interference could possibly justify him losing, then no matter what Trump says the institutions will quickly rally behind Biden and Trump will just sit in his room and spend the next few months bitching on twitter until he's escorted from the building on Wednesday, January 20th.

For me, Donald Trump is the Sarah Palin that ran for president and won. He's an incompetent self-absorbed buffoon and the republican party was absolutely in love with Sarah Palin for a time. But when she lost and went away, she was quickly forgotten. And he will be too. Especially if Biden's administration takes any question of "Donald Trump says..." with "We don't care what Donald Trump thinks and refuse to engage. Next question."

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





I like how the chickenshits on the board basically tried to do a "he resigned" without his input in the hopes he'd go along with it. Which, is pretty pathetic honestly.

You know I honestly don't really give much of a poo poo about Jerry Falwell Jr's sex life and I'd rather have never learned. But it's a shame hypocrites like him have so much influence over others and this is the reason stories like this break out.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Mat Cauthon posted:

Why are all these rich conservative men into being cucked? That it happens so often within the same demographic is just the weirdest loving thing, feels like it should barely even be a news story at this point.

I'm not gonna yuck anybody's yum, get your freak on (consensually), whatever floats your boat, etc. Just one of those things I can never really understand.

Projection. All liberals are cucks. You tend to hate qualities you see in yourself. Etc.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





I understand the players and the events and the jokes, but I'm having trouble understanding why this is a "time is a flat circle" moment?

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




filthy regex posted:

I think it's just that Sarah Jeong spent a large chunk of her life reporting from the courtroom for the Silk Road case, and never expected to see that judge again.

Oh that's pretty good.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





Unhinged lady says thing that never happened, happened.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Neo Rasa posted:

It would energize a lot of on the fence people to vote for him even more like how his numbers went up a month after the pussy tape.

I would argue there were a lot of other factors, like the debates. And Comey. And Hillary being a weak campaigner.

It is not 2016. Trump caught on tape saying the N word sinks his campaign.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




motoh posted:

I disagree. His rally audiences have been egging him on to say more and more terrible things and he smiles, pretending to play by the rules. When he finally crosses that threshold, it won't be a setback, it will be a declaration that that last barrier no longer exists.

Trump's audience is a minority (but significant 30%) percentage of voters in this country. He's actually fairly unpopular with the rest of the electorate, and the people who don't vote and is only president because of the electoral college.

What I'm saying is the idea that just because 1/3 Americans are racist idiots doesn't mean the other percentage wants what they want.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Meow Tse-tung posted:

I don't even want the debates to be a thing at this point. I feel like trump will just lie fast enough that no one can factcheck him, the next day there will be the usual "389 factual errors in trumps claims" news blurb, and it'll just be a bunch of lovely talking point zingers. Demagoguery is Trump's strong point. I don't trust anyone who might be swung by a debate to watch the debates, basically.

It's also the place for Biden to make the case against Trump to his face. But I agree they shouldn't do many debates.

Trump doesn't change strategy or tactics at all. He's literally been running as if it's still 2016. He'll attempt to counterpunch every insult or slight. Being this predictable makes it easier to make winning strategies. Hell this took me to think in the span of typing this out. All Biden has to say when say, the topic of criminal justice comes up is something close to "How is it that Trump calls himself a Law and Order President when he breaks the law and there is no law and no order in every city in America?"

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





Yeah this is big. Wildcat strike crossing all sports leagues. The RNC just lost the news cycle.

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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




quote:

I think Biden is ineffective and, a mistake, and the Centrists will be ok losing because their main fear is the left and yhe point was to stop that

Centrism losing to Trump, one of the weakest and most ineffectual presidents in recent history who basically has passed one big law and the rest is just about owning the libs....twice, is an incredible indictment of centrism.

I'm not going to tolerate the idea the democratic party isn't actually going left either. The fact that an actual self-described socialist can not only come close to winning nomination twice, but is seen as a leader of a powerful faction of the democratic party that must be appeased and popular to the general electorate shows that it is getting better. It's just too slow and there is so much work to get people to compromise and break our way.

If Trump wasn't such a genuine loving threat to our republic it probably would actually be in our best interests that he did win. But right now Biden getting in is in all American's best interests. And it sucks. I'm not enthusiastic about voting for him either. But this is one of the problems of a "First past the post" voting system.

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