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French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience


Cugel the Clever posted:

I see that the Specialized Vado series is in the $3-4k range and weighs in at 33 pounds, while something like the Trek Allant+ 9.9S is $6k and 51 pounds. I'm curious what sacrifices the Vado might be making. The specs otherwise appear very similar, with the only noticeable difference being the Vado using a proprietary motor and battery vs. Bosch.

I'd really love a lighter bike and 33 pounds seems wildly better than any other hybrid ebike I've spotted, but there has to be something to account for it not also being wildly more expensive.

The Vado SL is a smaller motor and battery and so that's partially the reason. Allant 9.9 is carbon fiber frame.

You should test ride both. I think you'll notice a difference between them but then you have to decide which type of experience you prefer.

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frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

So my Dad bought a RadWagon, and while he loves it, he's finding it a little hard to get in and out of his van during trips. It's just too long and too heavy for him to do by himself. He's also finding he's not really hauling tons of stuff with it, just using it to cruise around town to grab a few things from the store. For that reason we've started looking at folding e-bikes. Is something like this going to be complete garbage, or will it be pretty similar in terms of quality control to the RadWagon? https://www.ebay.com/itm/16-City-Ebike-Electric-Folding-Bike-Bicycle-Shimano-36V-8Ah-Removable-Battery/164809732215

He's pretty handy, and already had to fix some stuff with the Wagon (although I beleive their support sent him the parts he needed)

Edit: Looks like it's available on Amazon, with surprisingly good reviews? https://www.amazon.com/ANCHEER-Folding-Electric-Collapsible-Commuter/dp/B07YTSGY81

frogbs fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Apr 12, 2021

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007


Safety Dance posted:

Hey Something Awful Forums User Duck and Cover, how is your Ride1Up bike holding up? I have a coworker who is thinking about one.

It's fine. I think I messed up my brakes (it isn't a smooth transition of breaking power anymore) riding on something I shouldn't have (I'm not really sure what happened I don't remember either a stick got stuck in something or when I fell it messed something up, both or something else). I wouldn't suggest someone get it if they knew they liked biking and could afford better, but it isn't garbage either.

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Apr 13, 2021

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



Cugel the Clever posted:

I see that the Specialized Vado series is in the $3-4k range and weighs in at 33 pounds, while something like the Trek Allant+ 9.9S is $6k and 51 pounds. I'm curious what sacrifices the Vado might be making. The specs otherwise appear very similar, with the only noticeable difference being the Vado using a proprietary motor and battery vs. Bosch.

Trek makes Allant+s in the same price range that don't weight much more than the top spec.
The weight gain over a Vado comes from:
- motor, which is 2lbs heavier, at least some of which probably makes it more robust, given their similar nominal power
- battery, 2.5lbs heavier, and supposedly granting higher range
- suspension fork, which seems hard to avoid in the Allant+ lineup

The previous gen Vados are the same weight as Allant+, so it probably comes down to shaving off a little more weight everywhere else after speccing a lighter battery and motor.
Allant+ all seem to be class 1? which is a major pro for the Vado.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!


Dropped my bike off at the shop for a 500-mile tuneup (I hit 500 miles back in October, but I've been rebuilding my ankle since then so it's mostly been sitting). Hopefully they'll be able to source a chain tensioner.

On the way back I got to ride one of the new NYC Bikeshare ebikes. They're heavy and slow and kinda crap compared to a mid-drive, but they're built like absolute tanks.

French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience


kimbo305 posted:

Trek makes Allant+s in the same price range that don't weight much more than the top spec.
The weight gain over a Vado comes from:
- motor, which is 2lbs heavier, at least some of which probably makes it more robust, given their similar nominal power
- battery, 2.5lbs heavier, and supposedly granting higher range
- suspension fork, which seems hard to avoid in the Allant+ lineup

The previous gen Vados are the same weight as Allant+, so it probably comes down to shaving off a little more weight everywhere else after speccing a lighter battery and motor.
Allant+ all seem to be class 1? which is a major pro for the Vado.

The Allant+ 7S, 8S and 9.9S are all speed pedelecs so they'll do 28mph and have a lot more torque to sustain high speed. 28mph is actually pretty hard to maintain for longer distances despite the torque of the Bosch Speed motors. I figure the Vado SL has a harder time in that regard.

French Canadian fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Apr 15, 2021

wildemere
Nov 19, 2013


Someone here was asking about a good forum about this area of interest, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/

This forum is the best one I have found.

I have been an E-Biker for about 10 years firstly with a 1000W Cyclone Kit (sort of a old school chain driven mid drive) from Taiwan https://www.cyclone-tw.com/

Lately I have been using a Bafang Mid Drive (750W 48v) on a 700C City Bike. Also have a Bafang hub rear drive on a vintage GT Mountain Bike (500W 48v) They do 50Km per hour & 38Km per hour respectively on level ground.

My battery of Choice is the PING https://www.pingbattery.com/

All of my bikes are home made. Never used a bike store bike. But I do like them to look at.

Costs were around $500AU for the mid drive & $200AU for the hub drive + the Bike + Battery

The 48v Batteries run around $450 US dollars depending on Amp Hour Capacity. I usually use a 10 or 15AH for around a 60 to 80km range

I used to use the Chinese "Happy Time" motors, 2 stroke gas, They performed extremely well when tuned up with a shifter kit, giving over 60Kmph performance & double the range of the electrics.

But the NSW (Aust) cops shut them down. Hence the move to electric.

I have some older photos of my bikes if anyone is interested to see them.

French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience


Endless Sphere is peak greybeard eBike stuff but for that reason it's pretty awesome.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



ES is definitely the place is you're an EE looking to build an e-bike from scratch, and absolutely no one else

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

To witness titanic events is always dangerous, usually painful, and often fatal.





Radrunner obtained. Rode it back, in large part uphill. I had a scare when someone just popped out of a parking lot, but the brakes were good, even if I about died. At least it was in front of a hospital, so if I had been waxed or had a heart attack, I was in the right place.

Bike does in fact go zoom. Even a little bit of throttle or pedal assist makes a significant difference.

Rad also sent my bike mechanic the wrong storage module kit, but immediately said "Our bad, have the actual one on the house." While it is only a few dollars of shipping and injected plastic/tube metal, I was pleased at the swiftness, and I do feel competent to mount a center console on the dumbass thing.

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Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009

BLORANGE


Took the Trek Allant 9 and Verve 2 for test rides today. Both have a heck of a lot of pluck, but especially the Allant. Most surprising was just how rideable they are with assist off—having not ridden an ebike before, I really expected the 50 lbs frames to be noticeably more difficult (though I didn't try the hills without the assist).

French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience


Cugel the Clever posted:

Took the Trek Allant 9 and Verve 2 for test rides today. Both have a heck of a lot of pluck, but especially the Allant. Most surprising was just how rideable they are with assist off—having not ridden an ebike before, I really expected the 50 lbs frames to be noticeably more difficult (though I didn't try the hills without the assist).

They're both really nice and yeah the Allant will give you way more torque. I think you'll never want to pedal either without assist for any meaningful distance.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.



Cugel the Clever posted:

Took the Trek Allant 9 and Verve 2 for test rides today. Both have a heck of a lot of pluck, but especially the Allant. Most surprising was just how rideable they are with assist off—having not ridden an ebike before, I really expected the 50 lbs frames to be noticeably more difficult (though I didn't try the hills without the assist).

It's been a while since I posted since I got my Allant+ 8, so since you're considering one I thought I would jump in and give an update.

It's fantastic. I hadn't used a bike in decades and I'm not really having any difficulties at all. The assist modes take a little getting used to, especially how they work with the gears; sometimes it's an easier ride to upshift on a hill because the higher assistance will contribute more -- that is pretty counter-intuitive but I'm getting the hang of it. I use it as often as I can and look for excuses to use it more. I've already commuted once to work on it and I had an amazing day, fulla pep, even if I was a little tired on the way back. So far it hasn't done a full lifestyle change yet but it's definitely happening.

It's a beautiful machine, too, but one thing that I definitely wasn't counting on was it attracting attention. I was buying my GF an ebike (from a different store, Trek doesn't have anything small enough in stock), hanging outside while the guy took the new one through some tests, and I noticed a woman staring at it, transfixed, moving towards it. She even brushed her hand across a handlebar. It was insane, I was a little worried she was like, going to steal it or was trying to buy it but she was just, I don't know, flirting with it? Then going home I noticed while I was walking it through the pedestrian mall that lots of people were staring at it. So that's a thing, apparently. I don't hate it, I'm kind of glad something this expensive turns heads but it's the first thing I've owned that... does that. Maybe when I got an iPhone way before everyone did, that also had that effect.

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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Our cargo bike *still* does that, it's really funny to watch people react to something so utilitarian the same way they would to a motoGP whip. Adults have gotten mostly used to it the last few years, but little kids will invariably point and stare excitedly.

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