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bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



This is a thread for all flavors of competitive cycling, including and especially boring liveblog updates about how your ftp is up by the exact same amount as your weight during coronatimes.
Race goals, race reports, training plans, or questions about how to get in to racing in the first place [hint: wait until the pandemic is over].

If you're looking for how to buy your first bicycle, you may be better served by the bicycle megathread.
If you're looking to chat about pro racing instead about how you totally could have gone pro if only you could figure out the right training periodization, take it to the pro cycling thread.

Placeholder for actual content.

I would've finished this post first but I was too tired from closing down gaps for all the other threads.

bicievino fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jul 25, 2020

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bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



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bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



For anyone in Washington state, your next opportunity to try out track cycling is August 16th, at my velodrome in Redmond. https://www.velodrome.org

It's also one of the relatively few public, open tracks, so if you're so inclined you can ride whatever the hell bike you want on it as long as there aren't fixed geared bikes using it at the time.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



WA state status:

We had a timetrial and one road race in March.

Last three Sundays we've had road timetrials - relatively well attended (~50?). I haven't been so can't speak to how well covid-procedures are followed, but they haven't been shut down yet.

We got approval from the County last week to start planning timed events on the track. I feel like we're being appropriately conservative: capping participants at 5 per hour, no team events, no spectators, warm up in the parking lot, etc.
We'll see how it goes next weekend.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



poo poo, sounds pretty accurate to me.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



A year ago today. I miss bike racing.



bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



Nerobro posted:

We're about to hit cyclocross season here.... I dunno if that's gonna go down at all.

Your photos remind me how much I miss the velodrome. My track bike is sitting in the rafters of my garage either crying from disuse, or quietly worrying my tubby body will try to ride it again in anger.

There's nothing I've run into that lets you dig quite as deep as riding at the velodrome.

Yeah, both our cross series here have already been cancelled.

We got three days of track "racing" at my velodrome this year - time trials only, plus a day of folks doing hour record attempts (barf!). Not my jam, but at least it was something for people.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



jamal posted:

Our organizer has been floating the idea of small "bubbles" of racers. The regular A/B groups are generally against racing at all. but guess what group has about a 75% "yes" rate?

I'm ok with a year of not racing but it does suck for the kids/juniors. Ivan for example is a 2nd year UCI 17-18 racer so it would have been a pretty important season. I think they're considering just sending him to europe.

Man, the idea of reduced group or bubble racing is just so utterly antithetical to what CX is about for me.

I hear ya on kids - it's been such a rough year for our junior program.
If it's viable to send him that's could be the right call for his racing long term regardless.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



kimbo305 posted:

If track cycling were suddenly modified so that tracks were ridden clockwise instead of counterclockwise, how much shakeup would there be in performance? How much muscle memory helps cyclists lean left and move up and down a left-sloping banking?

Interestingly, most tracks would actually have to be rebuilt. The entrance and exit geometry is not symmetrical.
My track is old enough that it is, and it's still weird to ride the wrong way. I bet folks would figure it out after a month or so, though.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



kimbo305 posted:

Let's say most tracks were capable of being run both ways. Would you rather have a version of the sport where riding both ways was possible? Like either the direction was announced well ahead of race day, or determined by coin flip?

Oh it'd be massively unsafe to switch it up regularly.

Track racing is one of the safest disciplines precisely because of passing rules and habits - while folks *could* adapt to a change to it going the other way, the habits/reactions need to be second nature, and switching that up would take away from that.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



TobinHatesYou posted:

Let's just make tracks really, really, really long straight lines.

What about... really really short straight lines?

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



e.pilot posted:

Run ‘em in figure 8s


What if we just used runways?

https://www.tetongravity.com/story/bike/red-bulls-nyc-figure-8-velodrome-race-is-freaking-insane

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



VelociBacon posted:

Cool thread! I'm a 95% park DH rider that did a lot of DH/Dual Slalom racing growing up but fell out of it for years before returning to riding in my mid-20s. I was never great, haven't won anything and only had sponsorships from a shop I worked at when I was racing.

I'm now at the point where I feel comfortable competing again, signed up for the first race this year actually but it was obviously cancelled with everything else. I had tried an enduro a couple years ago but I couldn't manage the climbs between stages.

My 2021 goals are to hit at least one BC Cup DH race (I'm lower mainland based), maybe some local Canada cup DH races, and whatever little local races happen at Whistler, which is primarily where I ride. Hope to have lots of photos etc for the thread in the spring/summer when it all kicks off!

I floated the idea of making some Goon Factory Racing decals in various sizes/colorways/configurations last year. Would anyone be interested?

Sweet!
Out of curiosity, how does DH racing work in terms of... what's a race day like? Are you on trails you know so it's kinda just show up, do a few runs, compare times? Is it initial times and then finals like a worldcup?
What's the vibe like?

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



That sucks, man. Bummer.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



First race of 2021.
A mtb time trial.

I'm not a mountain biker or a time trialist, but it's 2021 and I'm in the US so mass start racing ain't a safe thing.

The event felt pretty good from a covid-protocol standpoint. Everyone masked until 10s before they started (folks queued in a line at the trailhead, vaguely self-seeded based on expected speed). Went off one-by-one at 15-30s ish intervals (not a strict time since it's all based on timing chip).
I was worried about passing on course when folks weren't masked, but everyone was both courteous and quick about it - never spent more time around someone than passing on a MUP.

Course was very twisty and undulating, not much in the way of flow at all. Only a few sustained sections where I could just put power down.
Ended up feeling very reminiscent of a PNW-style cyclocross course. No jumps or that sort of thing, which probably plays to my strength.

Ended up having a good time, getting second in the Cat 2, and looking like a huge dork. What more can I ask for?



bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



I love reading this poo poo.
I don't think I ever want to have a day like that, but goddamn bravo.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



MrL_JaKiri posted:

First TT of the year

Coming off a knee injury so on the road bike in the road bike category (ie no deep section wheels, etc), just went the whole hog and raced with a saddlebag so I could go straight home (and did, without unclipping until my back door). Rolling course, caps out around 8%, 13 mile course



Went ok - averaged a little over 350W, which is well under I'd have been targeting 2 months ago but getting through it without my knee swelling to the size of a balloon was a big win. 1st race of the season down, next one on Saturday!

Nice! Race season has started up for me here in Seattle, too.

First road race of the year for me here yesterday. More of a crit distance (1 hour) but on a course too boring to be called a crit.
We're doing field size caps for covid reasons, so only 30 folks. I was not feeling particularly confident and signed up for the masters 1/2/3 instead of open 1/2/3. In retrospect I should've just gone with the 1/2/3 because despite just doing yolo fun efforts with no real goals, I ended up taking a prime and the win. Surprised with how good I felt.

Up next is our first night of pre-season racing at the track on Friday, and then a 60mi mtb race on Saturday. Wheee!

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Pinning numbers on my skinsuit when I don’t have a teammate is a pain. Anyone used the racedots on a bike?

Use a pillow.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



bicievino posted:

Nice! Race season has started up for me here in Seattle, too.

First road race of the year for me here yesterday. More of a crit distance (1 hour) but on a course too boring to be called a crit.
We're doing field size caps for covid reasons, so only 30 folks. I was not feeling particularly confident and signed up for the masters 1/2/3 instead of open 1/2/3. In retrospect I should've just gone with the 1/2/3 because despite just doing yolo fun efforts with no real goals, I ended up taking a prime and the win. Surprised with how good I felt.

Up next is our first night of pre-season racing at the track on Friday, and then a 60mi mtb race on Saturday. Wheee!

First night of track racing was fun. Low attendance because we're being very strict about covid (mandatory vaccine or follow the UCI testing protocol) and also because the weather was quite threatening. Ended up cutting warmup short as the track dried, but actual racing went off in the dry.



Pre-season is usually pretty mellow, but with so much pent-up-angst it was a quite spicy affair. Our track's juniors have clearly been training way hard. Hoping fitness builds quickly with racing so we can more thoroughly put them in their place.

I ended up taking the overall with two wins and a second, and one of my teammates took second. Plus we finally got to race in the kits I designed back in winter 2019.


bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



Shamelessly triple posting because then today was my third ever mtb race.
60 miles, 4 laps of a roughly 15mi course (give or take some start/finish stuff). All new trails to me.
Got barely any sleep cause of track racing and failure to prep well, but made it out the door in time to catch the ferry to the race. Didn't even forget anything!
I brashly lined up second row, despite knowing that the first bit was a big fire road climb to shake things out, and as you can see from the pics in the prior post, I don't have a climber's physique. Started off hotter than I should've for the first 5-8 minutes, until we hit the singletrack, at which point I was a bit off the front group, but well ahead of the only other trackie, so, mission accomplished.
After that I settled in to learning the trails, trying to shake the race adrenalin jitters, and wondering how on earth I was going to find time to eat/drink.
Ended up being fairly challenging to do either - I was glad to have half my bottles with carb mix instead of just electrolyte. There were two big fire road sections on the lap, and that ended up being where I crammed in most of my eating and drinking. Not ideal. Definitely need a better system for eating - jersey pocket was a hassle to access.
By the third lap I was feeling reasonably confident in my pacing and starting to recognize the trails. I also had just a glimmer of cramping on a really steep section, which I was able to ride through and told me I was at least not slacking off.
I didn't stop for food or water on the fourth lap, which ended up biting me when the finishing section ended up being significantly more challenging than the downhill cruise in that I had thought. All in all feel quite happy with my pacing and time. Don't know results still but I think somewhere in the top 20 for the Open men.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



tylertfb posted:

I want to race my local crit (barrio Logan Grand Prix in San Diego) next month. Can I still race on a 1-day license if I’ve had an upgrade in the past? I haven’t had a USAC license in 6 years, was a cat4. I want to do the 40+ cat 4/5 race.

Yep, they added it in 2020. Can't accumulate any new upgrade points but you're fine to do a 1-day "experienced racer" license.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



Love this race report.

How did you feel your hydration/nutrition plan worked out? Anything you'd change?

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



Bike racing with frens is so loving great. I'm over the goddamn moon.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



MrL_JaKiri posted:

First ever dual carriageway TT!

Ominous signs were had when I was picking up my number, as the chat at race control was them working out which of the early riders was being taken away in an ambulance*. Weather conditions were good, though - nice and sunny, very little wind, great visibility.

Like the other day had difficulty getting power out - looking at my shadow, I think it's because my front end is too low impacting the hip angle and also making it difficult to get my head in the right position. Must have put it back in the wrong place when I was fiddling with the headset. Finish time was 33 dead for the 15, which I think was a bit up on my minute man but honestly difficult to tell. Saw nobody around me the whole way.

Lots of lovely kit on show, too - guy in front of me had corima wheels on his old edition P5, and they were just absolutely gorgeous.

*This later turned out to be because he fell off his bike on his own, rather than due to a car.

I love reading about the UK TT scene, but this aspect of it has always seemed a bit odd to me.

Hope you get the position stuff sorted.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



It was season kickoff weekend for us at the Jerry Baker Memorial Velodrome here in scenic Redmond, Washington.

Friday Night was a more sprinter-themed program: a short points race, keirin, and scratch.
My team is more on the sprintery end of things - we've had four folks in the 1/2s, one in the 3's and also the son of one guy racing juniors.
I normally go for the points races, but my legs were feeling rough, and I am always pretty marked in a points race, so I didn't manage to make much happen. Got countered hard on the second sprint and let a break get away, rolled in for 6th, just out of omnium points.
We had a reasonable amount of time so I decided to get goofy and throw a big gear on for the keirin - not as big as one of my teammates who went 57x14, but one tooth off which is still huge for me (especially since I haven't been in the gym since the pandemic started).
My teammy in the 3's won his heat tidily https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmFu2J81m4#t=5214s.
And then my teammy in the 1/2's heat 1 won his heat even more dramatically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmFu2J81m4#t=5466s.
And then my teammy in heat 2 made a big move from the back draw to take his heat, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmFu2J81m4#t=5773s.
After that I really felt obligated to follow suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmFu2J81m4#t=6068s


For the final we all made pretty good draws, and managed to go 1/2/3 (with me bringing up 3rd by a whisker). Super fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmFu2J81m4#t=7818s

Last race of the night was a 20 lap scratch - not too long, but plenty long with a lot of big efforts in the legs.
For whatever reason I was feeling better than I had all night, though, and decided to just race spicy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmFu2J81m4#t=10408s
Any time I got to the front or folks started slowing down I surged it to make the folks sitting on big gears hurt. Super fun way to race, but I was too gassed to cover the winning move with 3 to go - fortunately a teammate was in there so I didn't feel bad looking around. Sat in and forced one of the fastest finishers into leading me out, then came around in the last 15m for second, enough to get 2nd in the nightly overall. My big sprinter teammate's keirin win was enough to put him in 3rd.


Wrapped up the night with shakes and burgers at a 50's style drive-in spot (pandemic friendly dining!), because we ain't roadies.

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Saturday morning was timetrials and a sprint tourney, but I was too fried from how late I got home (whoops) to bother.
My big pursuity teammate crushed his 4k, though, going sub 5min for the first time on a windy day with heavy legs, and my sprinter buds clocked up the two fastest 200m times in the tourney.

--

Saturday evening was an International Omnium (Scratch, Tempo, Elimination, Points Race, with points scored in the first 3 and added to what you earn in the final points race for the overall decider).
I love this event - it's such a good mix of different flavors of tactical racing, and you have to be extra aware of who is watching who, who thinks they can make up enough to win, or who is just trying to consolidate their current spot. Sadly they don't run it for masters, so I don't get many opportunities to do it.
Still feeling pretty frazzled, I decided to try to race a bit smarter instead of pure spice - didn't want to write any checks I couldn't cash.
I figured the Scratch would be raced fast, but it's too short for anyone to let a break go. I was right, and instead of kissing wind I rode mid pack, let the right people drop in front of me, and then forced them to close down moves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5DBfDgEs7E#t=739s.
The tempo gives one point to the leader each lap around - nothing for second. I got pretty worried in the first few sprints of the tempo - I kept getting used and missing out on the one point on the line. Without really intending to, me and one other fellow got off the front. We worked together a bit and then I rode in alone - with only one point on the line the field was too busy looking at eachother to dig deep and pull me back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5DBfDgEs7E#t=3803s

That race was "good luck" because the osprey that nests in our floodlights hit me square on. Oof!
I felt pretty gassed in the elimination - couldn't hold the front, got dangerously close to an early elimination in the box, and had to get a little aggressive to push out of the box because I didn't have the energy to back all the way out and come around. Worse, I screwed up and wore my aero helmet which I can't hear well in - total brainfart, and got pipped for fourth when I thought there was still one more person back. OH WELL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5DBfDgEs7E#t=6253s
A brief moment of foolishness.
I went in to the Points race leading by 1 point, with another fast guy 3 points behind. This is where the tactics get turned up to 11, because folks in 5th or 6th would need to lap the field in order to be in contention, so I could let them up the road without worrying too much. That's the theory, at least. With only 1 point lead it was pretty hot right from the get-go. I didn't end up securing a healthier margin until 10 to go. After the penultimate sprint, though, I had a 3 point lead - with 10, 6, 4, 2 on the line, as long as my nemesis didn't win the final and I finished right behind him, I had it sewn up. Luckily for me, three folks went up the road, I locked myself onto my only opponent's wheel, and shrugged. Didn't end up taking him on the line, but I didn't need to. Zero wasted energy, taking the Omnium by 1 point.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



It makes me crazy happy to be reading race reports.

Bike racing, y'all.

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bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



Congrats!!

What was the race?

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