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Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005

#JusticeForBreonnaTaylor
#BlackLivesMatter
#StillIRise
#Blessed




Yeah but then you have to buy a Trek.

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




When you're talking Specialized how is it any worse


(I still love my 10 year old Spec Secteur)

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?


Nap Ghost

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Yeah but then you have to buy a Trek.

idk about their mountain bikes, but I have two runabout solid frame Treks and they rock. I used one today to go to my second vaccination and had an enjoyable ride both times. Because I'm an idiot who forgot the vaccine record card at my office.

meowmeowmeowmeow
Jan 4, 2017


Good bikes if you're a cop

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013


I was not able to get that salsa the other day, so for my first foray into Mountain biking I will be getting a Trek Marlin 6 because that is the only mountain bike in stock in my size that I have been able to find. It lacks a lot of the featurea everyone told me I need but hopefully its fun enough to tell me if I like mountain biking a lot or not, and then i can upgrade when the supply chain isnt wrecked from rona

vote_no
Nov 21, 2005

The rush is on.

OctaMurk posted:

I was not able to get that salsa the other day, so for my first foray into Mountain biking I will be getting a Trek Marlin 6 because that is the only mountain bike in stock in my size that I have been able to find. It lacks a lot of the featurea everyone told me I need but hopefully its fun enough to tell me if I like mountain biking a lot or not, and then i can upgrade when the supply chain isnt wrecked from rona

I had a Trek Marlin 5 as my first foray into mountain biking and I thought it was great!

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


EvilJoven posted:

Salsa Journeyman 650b flat bar.

EDIT: wtf the flat bar only comes in Claris or Sora that's super dumb the flat bar is begging for a 1x setup.

that might be exactly what i'm looking for, if i don't just go for the ultimate cost savings and just ride an old bike and do without discs

especially because i don't particularly care for 1x. i kinda prefer either two derailleurs or none, but that may come from living most of my adult life in SF

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Is there anything grievously wrong with SC 5010's? I'm ordering one early next week.

numptyboy
Sep 6, 2004
somewhat pleasant

Only if you have 0 kidneys left after.

meowmeowmeowmeow
Jan 4, 2017


I have a 2019 and love it as a do it all bike, been happy with it for everything from dirt jumps to shuttle days to long all day trail rides, a friend put xc tires on it and did a 100 mile race on his.

Bit of a master of none and I now have a dj and will probably buy a longer travel bike but still happy with it and love riding it.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




Anyone interested in buying a Revelate Vole seatpack? I've only used it once and have since changed my setup and don't need it now. It was $150 new, looking for $100 + shipping.


It's also dropper compatible, which they no longer make.

It's this one:
https://bikepacking.com/gear/revelate-vole-review/

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



numptyboy posted:

Only if you have 0 kidneys left after.
It's mostly insurance money.

meowmeowmeowmeow posted:

I have a 2019 and love it as a do it all bike, been happy with it for everything from dirt jumps to shuttle days to long all day trail rides, a friend put xc tires on it and did a 100 mile race on his.

Bit of a master of none and I now have a dj and will probably buy a longer travel bike but still happy with it and love riding it.

thanks to you both

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?


Nap Ghost

I took my bike to the shop to get the seals and oil changed in the suspension parts, as well as a general tune-up. I talked myself into new tires, and after 10 days they were still waiting for the seals on order so I brought it home. I enjoyed yesterday's 2 hours on the trails so much, the new rubber was premature but I've got a baby due in August so I figured I might as well get it done while I can.

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


lol i just noticed the salsa journeyman is available in 24" but not 26"

can bike manufacturers just hurry up and decide 26" is the hot new thing everyone needs to n+1 for. my gear inches

i have to let that go, i don't live in SF anymore and thus don't have friends that live at the top of >25% grades

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

Just buy a mid 90s Stumpjumper, its clearly what you want. Itll only be 200 too

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



OMGVBFLOL posted:

lol i just noticed the salsa journeyman is available in 24" but not 26"

can bike manufacturers just hurry up and decide 26" is the hot new thing everyone needs to n+1 for. my gear inches

i have to let that go, i don't live in SF anymore and thus don't have friends that live at the top of >25% grades

I can't see them speccing 26 when the normal range offers 650, which is 13mm bigger radius.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005

#JusticeForBreonnaTaylor
#BlackLivesMatter
#StillIRise
#Blessed




vikingstrike posted:

Just buy a mid 90s Stumpjumper, its clearly what you want. Itll only be 200 too

poo poo, the markup on 90s Specialized rigid mtbs is unreal now. Everyone wants one.

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

poo poo, the markup on 90s Specialized rigid mtbs is unreal now. Everyone wants one.

thats what i'm sayin, hopefully the oems will catch on soon. or at least someone will make a disc fork so you can mulletbrake them

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


vikingstrike posted:

Just buy a mid 90s Stumpjumper, its clearly what you want. Itll only be 200 too

i have a steel rigid, i'm mostly just windowshopping. the one i have is right at the upper limit for me size wise and has a horizontal top tube so I have zero room to hang my butt over the rear wheel, and since its my rain bike i am always being reminded of the limitations of rim brakes. but it'll be a while before i have new bike money

PCjr sidecar
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme



Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

poo poo, the markup on 90s Specialized rigid mtbs is unreal now. Everyone wants one.

Finally! Time to flip my 99 Hardrock.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



OMGVBFLOL posted:

i have a steel rigid, i'm mostly just windowshopping. the one i have is right at the upper limit for me size wise and has a horizontal top tube so I have zero room to hang my butt over the rear wheel, and since its my rain bike i am always being reminded of the limitations of rim brakes. but it'll be a while before i have new bike money
Put hydro rim brakes on it. They're so amazing for the money.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009



Post your crushed rims later.

If you think of the difference in power between a 160mm rotor and a 200mm rotor imagine going to a 660mm rotor.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

poo poo, the markup on 90s Specialized rigid mtbs is unreal now. Everyone wants one.

Bummer. I got a 95 stumpy (green w purple accents) for 175 I think ~3 years ago. Original deore lx group is a bit dated by now sadly

H13
Nov 30, 2005



Fun Shoe

So I started with 0 fitness, found out I enjoy mountainbike riding and have been building up my fitness to hit some trails and not die.

I've been making a lot of good progress in most areas except out-of-saddle riding. Both of my kneecaps track poorly (and I'm an old man), which means that there is a certain range in my knees where I have very little strength and it causes pain to "push" through that.

I can stand on my pedals and coast, but when I go to pedal, there's a bit of pain\weakness pushing down from the top of the pedal. I figure I just need to ride more to strengthen those knees before that becomes more comfortable\feasible, HOWEVER:

Anybody got any advice for out-of-saddle riding for unfit people with bad knees?

Eejit
Mar 6, 2007

Swiss Army Cockatoo
Cacatua multitoolii



H13 posted:

So I started with 0 fitness, found out I enjoy mountainbike riding and have been building up my fitness to hit some trails and not die.

I've been making a lot of good progress in most areas except out-of-saddle riding. Both of my kneecaps track poorly (and I'm an old man), which means that there is a certain range in my knees where I have very little strength and it causes pain to "push" through that.

I can stand on my pedals and coast, but when I go to pedal, there's a bit of pain\weakness pushing down from the top of the pedal. I figure I just need to ride more to strengthen those knees before that becomes more comfortable\feasible, HOWEVER:

Anybody got any advice for out-of-saddle riding for unfit people with bad knees?

Go see an orthopedic PT. My partner is one and I've heard her describe plenty of cases similar to yours where she's had good outcomes.

There's no easy fix for something like what you've got. Go let a doctor help you, it'll be the single best investment towards improving your riding. No doubt there are a few adjustments you could make to the bike, but the #1 improvement will come from fixing your body.

In terms of what you can do to help yourself immediately, I would say the first is that you should be pedaling faster in lower gears. You generally want to spin quickly with less effort per pedal stroke. Generally, it's best to avoid having to really crush through a pedal stroke unless necessary. Second, visit a bike shop and ask them to evaluate your fit if you haven't done that already. You can generally get a quick fit from a shop for a minimal fee and it could really help reduce your knee pain.

Take care of yourself and keep riding!

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


seconding both the "see ortho specialists" and "pedal faster in lower gears"

the theoretical ideal for where you put out power most efficiently is something like 90rpm. you don't have to strictly adhere to that because you're not riding in a peloton on a 100km race stage, just keep it in your mind that if you get noticeably below 60rpm (aka 1 complete revolution of the pedals per second) it's time to downshift a gear before you get stuck standing on the pedals

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015



OMGVBFLOL posted:

seconding both the "see ortho specialists" and "pedal faster in lower gears"

the theoretical ideal for where you put out power most efficiently is something like 90rpm. you don't have to strictly adhere to that because you're not riding in a peloton on a 100km race stage, just keep it in your mind that if you get noticeably below 60rpm (aka 1 complete revolution of the pedals per second) it's time to downshift a gear before you get stuck standing on the pedals

This good advice, except the theoretical ideal is a function of power output, up to around 120rpm.

BIG DRYWALL MAN
Jun 2, 2011



Does anyone have any strong opinions on the REI Co-Op hardtails ala DRT2.1?
https://www.rei.com/product/159856/co-op-cycles-drt-21-bike?sku=1598560003
Or Giant Stance 29 2?
https://www.fullcyclebikes.com/product/giant-stance-29-2-381524-1.htm

Wildly different price points, but I've read that sometimes its good to start on a hardtail and other times its good to just get a full suspension from the beginning???? I dont mind spending more money for a better quality product that can last me awhile as well.

BIG DRYWALL MAN fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 6, 2021

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010


That Giant seems like a whole lot of bike at that price point.

e: At least compared to 3 years ago. I haven't been in the market for a new bike in a while.

bamhand fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Apr 6, 2021

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

BIG DRYWALL MAN posted:

Does anyone have any strong opinions on the REI Co-Op hardtails ala DRT2.1?
https://www.rei.com/product/159856/co-op-cycles-drt-21-bike?sku=1598560003
Or Giant Stance 29 2?
https://www.fullcyclebikes.com/product/giant-stance-29-2-381524-1.htm

Wildly different price points, but I've read that sometimes its good to start on a hardtail and other times its good to just get a full suspension from the beginning???? I dont mind spending more money for a better quality product that can last me awhile as well.

If you live in Colorado, I would say there is value to being on a FS bike over a hardtail. There are others in thread who live in the area who might have different opinions. There are places around Boulder (Betasso, Marshall Mesa, etc.) where a hardtail would be fine, but there's lots of trails in the area that FS is just more comfortable to ride. On the other hand, in a place like Georgia (where I used to live), hardtails are great because there are lots of XC trails in the area. I moved to the area with a hardtail and bought a FS bike within a year.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?


Nap Ghost

Giant makes nice bikes, I've been very happy with mine. I can't see the price on the Stance, but it should be awesome in Colorado.

mashed_penguin
Jul 27, 2004



Imo the downside to a FS at that pricepoint compared to a hardtail at the same pricepoint is you are getting worse components on the FS to work the rear suspension into the budget. Whether that is worth it is really down to your preference and the type of trails you are dealing with. That Giant's price is pretty much as cheap as a FS bike gets. It looks like its level of drivetrain etc is pretty similar to that hard tail so the price really is for that rear shock.

You get tubeless ready rims on both which is nice.

The biggest oversight though imo is the hardtail has a dropper and the FS does not. I really really really wouldn't get any trail bike without a dropper unless you are immediately going to add one. Something like a a oneup etc is a great option without being crazy expensive. That Giant frame has internal routing by the look of it for the cable.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

Id take Deore over SX.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




All things considered I'd recommend a hardtail with better components vs a FS with lesser components for a first MTB any day. Mechanicals suck, but also a hardtail will teach you to ride trails better and keep you from developing bad habits.

Jehde
Apr 20, 2010



Getting a hardtail first will make you want to pony up for a better full-suspension too, so it's win-win for everything except your wallet

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005


Fun Shoe

The Stance is a QR rear end. If you're going to drop 2k on a bike budget a bit more and get something with a thru axle back end.

mashed_penguin
Jul 27, 2004



EvilJoven posted:

The Stance is a QR rear end. If you're going to drop 2k on a bike budget a bit more and get something with a thru axle back end.

Something like the Trance X would be a great choice. It is a fair bit more however. Pandemic has messed up the used market in a lot of places but used bikes really can be a great way to go to get more for your money.

The Norco fluid are a solid entry level FS setup too https://www.norco.com/bikes/2021/mountain/trail/fluid-fs/fluid-fs-2/

mashed_penguin fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Apr 7, 2021

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005


Fun Shoe

The Marin Rift Zone 1 is weird in that it uses this QR to TA adapter. This means the frame itself is TA and if you decide to change wheelsets later on you can go with a normal boost rear. The Rift Zone 2 is better speced and if you can swing it is a good buy for the money.

https://www.marinbikes.com/ca/bikes/family/rift-zone

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009



I would personally aim for the basic Trance over a Stance.

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BIG DRYWALL MAN
Jun 2, 2011



Thanks Yall. I ended up going with the Stance from the LBS here in Boulder. They have a good return policy afaik so if Im not happy or if it doesnt click or w/e Ill exchange it.

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