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i can't believe jim would do this to us
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Jun 13, 2023 17:12
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Those dumb writers wanting compensation! If only there was some AI program or some way to get non-unionized folks to virtually cross the picket line to work on these movies… 
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Jun 13, 2023 18:03
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I would simply invent a body that lets me be a clone of a writer, then die and be ressurrected into one of said body, then still lose to my enemy Jake Sully, then keep writing
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Jun 13, 2023 20:04
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Jazerus posted:i can't believe jim would do this to us jim would only do this if it were necessary
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Jun 13, 2023 23:13
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avatar 2 finally streaming im doing it im blasting off to pandora TONIGHT
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Jun 17, 2023 05:18
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So the humans that stayed behind on Pandora are just living at the old base? How? There's like 3 or so of them how are they keeping that entire place running? Why didn't General Carmela Soprano go shoot them or whatever and retake the place?
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Jun 17, 2023 08:59
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banned from Starbucks posted:So the humans that stayed behind on Pandora are just living at the old base? How? There's like 3 or so of them how are they keeping that entire place running? Why didn't General Carmela Soprano go shoot them or whatever and retake the place? The humans have a gigantic city-thingy on Pandora by the events of Avatar 2 iirc, which is partly why the Na'vi are running an active terrorism campaign against their supplies and logistics network. I kinda gotta use guesswork here but I'm gonna say that most of the human-crap from the old labs and stuff woulda been deemed either overgrown (since there's some kinda travel time from earth to pandora and it took some time for wave 2 of the military to show up) or it was deemed too close to the hidden terrorist base that was striking all of their trains and such. The movie takes pains to point out that the Na'Vi really aren't protecting Pandora. They're protecting places close by to where they already live and hunt, this is reinforced with the part where the water Na'Vi are basically unaware that the humans have been hunting pods of the magic pandora whales and that they haven't even been doing it particularly far away from where all of these Na'Vi people live and fish. Probably the humans just decided it was more cost effective to keep themselves scarce and put the equipment elsewhere closer to where they could harvest magic whale ichor.
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Jun 17, 2023 11:04
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banned from Starbucks posted:So the humans that stayed behind on Pandora are just living at the old base? If you go by the humans we see in the two movies, it seems there are at least a couple dozen humans left. In a deleted scene for Avatar 1, Max and a dozen other defectors assault the command room. In the second movie we get glimpses of humans living in Hell's Gate, and then their shacks in the floating mountains. As for the old base, there is no way they could keep the entirety of Hell's Gate maintained, but they could keep the few areas they are living in operational. Obviously when the RDA came back they would have abandoned the base and would be living in their shacks hidden away in the wilderness, transported by helicopter. In the High Ground comic, there is a page showing the mess hall packed with defectors. In the movie the mess hall looks like it can hold one to two hundred people. In the comic, the general leading the RDA force to reclaim Hell's Gate offers amnesty. Over half of the humans on Pandora accepted the offer, so that would leave Jake with 50-100 human defectors left on Pandora. But the comic is difficult to reconcile with the canon of the second movie.    banned from Starbucks posted:Why didn't General Carmela Soprano go shoot them or whatever and retake the place? If you go by the movies only, then trying to retake Hell's Gate is risky. It has been 15 years since the RDA were forced to abandon it so it is likely in a run down state. Hell's Gate was constructed when the RDA only had one ship at Pandora at any given time. Hell's Gate would not be able to accommodate the army coming in the RDA's new fleet. Also, it was in the hands of hostiles who could have sabotaged it and rigged it with traps, could have built secret tunnels and told the Na'vi in the area about them, and so on. Taking and holding Hell's Gate would cost high body count for little value. The human defectors would have surely had access to the satelites in orbit and would have had a least a few days or weeks warning that the RDA were coming back, since RDA ships can only accelerate up to 70% of the speed of light and then have to decelerate on approach to Pandora. The human defectors would have cleared out of Hell's Gate before the RDA arrived. If you go by the High Ground comic, then the RDA did actually try to retake Hell's Gate. It was the first thing they did: the general contacts Hell's Gate and offers them amnesty under the condition that the base is returned intact. Jake and 50 Na'vi and human defectors board a Valkyrie shuttle and go to the approaching RDA force under the guise of negotiating with them in person. Jake meets with the general and shows a livestream of the base and blows up the refinery, and then threatens to blow up the rest of the base unless his demands are met, but he is actually stalling for time so his men can space jump from the Valkyrie shuttle to the big spaceship and try to kill the humans on the bridge, take it over, and then use the spaceship to destroy the rest of the armada, but it fails. In the comic, the RDA force's first landing on Pandora is not the incineration of the forest and building of Bridgehead as seen in the second movie, but them landing in Hell's Gate. 
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Jun 17, 2023 23:30
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i am blasting BACK from pandora to say the first hour of avatar 2 is loving mindblowing rad. weta is flexing hard in that night ambush scene in the rain. by hour 3 when they're trapped on another sinking boat and they have to hold their breath for an EVEN LONGER time and the whale bails them out for a third time, i was starting to think of plot holes like "if jake sully was scared that quaritch and the avatar brigade would wreck the jungle na'vi on their hunt for him, why did he decide to leave in absolute secrecy?" 10/10 still loved it
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Jun 19, 2023 06:52
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Been a while since I saw it, but I thought his motivation was the other way round and as a neoliberal nuclear family patriarch he was choosing to protect his family unit rather than continuing to fight.
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Jun 19, 2023 08:53
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hmm that might be it given thats what he tried to do at the end. seems like jake sully is a coward that insists multiple groups must die for his family of old son, young son, girl, and sigourney weaver. plot hole 2: why is neytiri such a huge bitch to absolutely everyone at every opportunity
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Jun 20, 2023 19:22
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Jake abandoning his allies and resources doesn't make sense, but it's what happens so Cameron get to the water tribe and their cool stuff. He wanted a fish out of water protagonist who could be the audience surrogate discovering the cool stuff for the first time. He decided to use Jake rather than some loner Na'vi (or another defector Avatar we've never heard of before) trying to incorporate into the tribe, as Jake has more story material as he has a connection to the humans antagonists.Eau de MacGowan posted:seems like jake sully is a coward that insists multiple groups must die for his family of old son, young son, girl, and sigourney weaver. I don't recall Jake insisting that anyone die for his family in the second movie. IIRC when the Seadragon was visiting the villages loyal to the water chief, we find out that he told them to stay quiet and say nothing about Jake without his input. And then at the end of the movie at the beginning of the confrontation with the Seadragon, Jake says he's going to turn himself in so that the water chief doesn't have to risk any of his men getting Jake's family back. Again the water chief decides to attack. The only time Jake asked for safety for his family was when he tried to get into the water tribe, but at that point there was no reason to suspect that the RDA would know where he went. It was only when Kiri fell unconscious and a defector helicopter was called in that the RDA suspected where he was and sent out the Seadragon. Ney'tiri's impudence adds story tension (her interrupting when Jake is trying to get into the water tribe and she lords his fame over them, her being mean to Spider, the hostage scene at the end). Without her complicating the situation, there would be less tension for the Sully family scenes, which would be bad for a 3 hour long movie. I think Cameron is setting up that she is going to really botch something in the third movie. The obvious plot thread is that she finds out Spider let Quarritch live and then rails on him, but I'm thinking that perhaps she might botch negotiations with the Ash tribe and that contributes to them becoming antagonists.
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Jun 21, 2023 08:14
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neytiri's a "get poo poo done" kinda gal
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Jun 21, 2023 11:43
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not gonna watch it
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Jun 21, 2023 15:10
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Cranappleberry posted:not gonna watch it mods???
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Jun 21, 2023 16:13
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Things that I have learned from this thread: There are people who genuinely enjoy the story and plot and characters of avatar 2 and feel it is, on some level, completely unironically, a cinematic masterpiece, and not Waterworld x1000.
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Jun 21, 2023 17:45
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Well waterworld was already great so x1000 would make Avatar 2 a masterpiece.
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Jun 21, 2023 17:50
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:mods??? fun fact, a comedy sixer is just the right amount of time to watch avatar 1&2 with a leisurely toilet break between
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Jun 21, 2023 17:51
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Invalid Validation posted:Well waterworld was already great so x1000 would make Avatar 2 a masterpiece. I mean, it's great as a B movie schlock-fest dressed in a hundred million of dollars of hubris, which only serves to heighten the wonder of just how much cocaine was consumed in the production meetings. Avatar shares a lot with that, but nobody seems to be saying "I can't believe how much money they spent to end up with this whole wheel of cheese" yet. Maybe it needs time. Maybe we aren't all the laughing along with Avatar like the good cheesy B movie it is, because the franchise still makes so much bank.
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Jun 21, 2023 18:53
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I don't think Avatar is a masterpiece, but it was one of the few Western movies I really enjoyed over the last 15 years. Great aesthetics with creature designs by Wayne Barlowe, cool vehicles, good music by James Horner. The movie stops to smell the roses and soaks in the fantasy world. Cool final battle. The 3D CGI still holds up as among the most convincing. Not all of the characters are very likeable (Norm, Dr. Grace, and the helicopter pilot), and the movie drags at some points. The second movie has tighter pacing and a more likeable cast. It's probably a better actual movie than the first one, but I was bummed out that it didn't really explore any new cool fantasy environments. It's just the ocean and underwater reefs, just like in our world. I guess there was the cool sea wall but you only see that for 5 seconds. The first movie spent a lot of time exploring the multi-layered bioluminescent forest and the floating mountains. Hope that the next movie explores fantasy environments again, and that the Ash tribe aren't dwelling on the slope of a regular volcano. Also, the soundtrack for the second movie was overall forgettable. I know the new composer was touted as an assistant to James Horner but that doesn't make it actually good.
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Jun 21, 2023 19:05
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I'm genuinely not sure if I think Avatar 2 is a masterpiece. I've been meaning to do a rewatch actually so that I can do a proper writeup!
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Jun 21, 2023 20:00
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If you removed all the gratuitous beach frolicking and general "oooh, ahhh" of the cgi visual feast, which let's be honest is pretty much the entire point of the movie, what are you left with? A completely generic <120 min action movie complete with Hero Just Trying To Keep His Family Safe Despite Their Repeated Efforts To Not Remain Safe, the most cigar chompenly, scenery chewing bad guy since Dennis Hopper, and Lessons Learned About What It Means To Be A Father And Stuff.
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Jun 21, 2023 20:10
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It wouldn't be generic though, it'd still be an absolute action banger by the guy who did Terminator 2.
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Jun 21, 2023 20:19
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josh04 posted:It wouldn't be generic though, it'd still be an absolute action banger by the guy who did Terminator 2. What isn't generic about it? It's completely paint by numbers. It's telegraphed to the finest detail. Maybe that's part of the appeal, the familiarity of it, knowing what's going to happen and not being surprised, but it just doesn't do anything new or interesting, and the characters are all completely one dimensional. That's forgivable in tons of movies, but there's something about how because Avatar cost so much to make, and so much work was put into it, and it's James Cameron, it should be put on a higher shelf. Nahh man it's a popcorn muncher saddled with a too-long run time that seems to only be in service of its own self justification.
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Jun 21, 2023 20:47
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Does the giant whale have the fiber optic ponytail thing too?
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Jun 22, 2023 01:32
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Finger Prince posted:…a B movie schlock-fest dressed in a hundred million of dollars of hubris…
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Jun 22, 2023 01:57
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banned from Starbucks posted:Does the giant whale have the fiber optic ponytail thing too? Not a pony tail, but there is some sort of stem inside the whale's has the same connectivity functionality. The whale opens his jaws wide and Lo'ak swims into the whale and connects his ponytail to the stem to experience the whale's memories.
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Jun 22, 2023 02:50
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Finger Prince posted:If you removed all the gratuitous beach frolicking and general "oooh, ahhh" of the cgi visual feast, which let's be honest is pretty much the entire point of the movie, what are you left with? A completely generic <120 min action movie complete with Hero Just Trying To Keep His Family Safe Despite Their Repeated Efforts To Not Remain Safe, the most cigar chompenly, scenery chewing bad guy since Dennis Hopper, and Lessons Learned About What It Means To Be A Father And Stuff. this reads like you want to make a criticism but fell short and landed on praise
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Jun 22, 2023 02:56
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Sure if you just remove half the movie it would just be a mediocre action film. Half the reason you go see it in theaters is the view the stupidly expensive/innovative CGI. I was kinda bored the second time I watched the first Avatar but it was a great theatre experience. Story isn’t gonna knock your socks off but there is still immense craft put into the whole thing.
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Jun 22, 2023 03:14
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well why not posted:this reads like you want to make a criticism but fell short and landed on praise Yeah, it's called damning with faint praise. I don't hate it, it would be a fine way to kill a few hours on an airplane. But like, it's not good. There's nothing in it worth recommending, unless "do you want to watch lithe blue aliens frolic in the space ocean for a few hours?" is a recommendation.
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Jun 22, 2023 05:44
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aliens: do you want to watch a bunch of space marines have a bad time?
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Jun 22, 2023 06:33
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Finger Prince posted:Yeah, it's called damning with faint praise. I don't hate it, it would be a fine way to kill a few hours on an airplane. But like, it's not good. There's nothing in it worth recommending, unless "do you want to watch lithe blue aliens frolic in the space ocean for a few hours?" is a recommendation. twice in a row lol
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Jun 22, 2023 09:16
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well why not posted:twice in a row lol 
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Jun 22, 2023 15:05
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Why doesn't Quaritch shoot a hostage the second Jake and Neytiri start killing his guys?
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Jun 22, 2023 21:28
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It prob would have been a better movie if they did anything interesting with the marine avatar guys instead of just...nothing. it was just like..well we did robot mechs last movie so now you're just Quartich but tall and blue.
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Jun 22, 2023 21:50
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Finger Prince posted:do you want to watch lithe blue aliens frolic in the space ocean for a few hours? SRANE or as they say on space earth, hell yeah i do
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Jun 23, 2023 02:26
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banned from Starbucks posted:It prob would have been a better movie if they did anything interesting with the marine avatar guys instead of just...nothing. it was just like..well we did robot mechs last movie so now you're just Quartich but tall and blue. Yeah. After half of them got taken out in their first outting, it sucked a lot of tension out of the movie since it makes Quarritch's elite squad look non-threatening.
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Jun 23, 2023 04:40
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terminator 2 and Aliens were great. James Cameron should have done Robocop 2, as well.
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Jun 23, 2023 15:35
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Robocop 2 is perfect as is
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