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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
or just lmao at the fact that josh4congress raised like a quarter million dollars and got nine hundred sixty nine votes

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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
[trying to keep my composure as a socialist candidate while doing an interview but my campaign manager hasn't properly scheduled my Sex Appointment with one of my girlfriends that i'm embezzling money to from my campaign] SHut the gently caress up!!!

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

ur in my world now posted:

oh did the butt guy get owned already. the cali butt, not the other one

he hasn't technically lost yet but his whole staff quit and his former campaign manager absolutely ethered him on medium. also he's a sex pest. professional click ---> https://medium.com/@jaspergreywilde/step-back-shahid-buttar-the-left-needs-feminist-leadership-5e71fb89741f

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

ur in my world now posted:

"he would be okay with running a campaign not focused on winning". wow, sounds like a great plan to deal with possibly the most thoroughly entrenched human tumor in congress. my wallet!!!

really wish "hey do you want to win the election" was something we could somehow get an honest answer about before people give a campaign $1000000

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Atrocious Joe posted:

josh4congress wasn't a gimmick poster?

in a way... he was. and by in a way i mean he was.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

it's like when i would post in this very forum instead of making calls during call time... but for every person on the campaign, 100% of the time

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

buttar has always been an obvious grift. running against nancy pelosi in one of the wealthiest, most Lib district in the entire country, cmon

but if [completely different and unrelated thing] can happen why not pelosi losing in the primary hmmm???

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

how does Jess feel about posting on twitter when her campaign manager says she should be knocking doors instead

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Dreylad posted:

yasha levine got a lot of pushback when he pointed out the guy was a SV techlord

https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1279461394971148288

smacking myself in the head that i never thought to question the EFF's motivations or ideology. thanks for posting this

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
why i bet joshua5congress could get upwards of 1211 votes

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

PookBear posted:

I remember people here(c-spam) wanted Chelsea Manning to run for senate and got real mad when I pointed out that she's a bit of an idiot and has no experience related to campaigning.


This is because he's an idiot with no organization skills. There is a difference between people with a working class background that have experience in a leadership role in a union, working on another leftist political campaign etc and going straight from driving a truck to running for federal office.

well that’s supposed to be what a campaign manager does. but his “campaign” seemed to do absolutely nothing, they got caught up in side projects like the NATIONWIDE RENT STRIKE or that “rose caucus” that’s NOT the DSA endorsement

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

PookBear posted:

you can't blame everything on his campaign manager, and the fact that he's running for federal office without knowing if his campaign manager is doing gently caress all is a sign that he shouldn't be in federal office.

"well that's supposed to be what a director of CIA does. Obama's 'CIA' seemed to torture people, they got caught up in side projects like overthrowing governments and NOT collecting intelligence to allow political leaders to make informed decisions."

oh for sure i didn't want to make it seem like josh was blameless. plenty to go around when a guy does THAT bad.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

PookBear posted:

imagine someone from c-spam running for for office, except that instead of ever talking to their voting base they just posted in c-spam. Also, they're not even a good poster and regularly had mental breakdowns and posted ban me threads whenever they needed to take a break from posting because they have absolutely no self control. Also imagine another goon's wife working in his campaign, and the other goon gets extremely mad if chapotraphouse makes fun of his wife for buying expensive mechanical keyboards using campaign money.

he honestly meant well I think, but he's a great example of how just because someone is a leftist (or claims to be one) that doesn't mean they're competent.

lee carter’s partner lended it an air of legitimacy to me since he actually WON AN ELECTION but clearly I Was Wrong

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
harking back to the famous general strikes of history, organized entirely by one classified ad in a newspaper saying "hey don't go to work"

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

ur in my world now posted:

is the josh guy now officially the worst spending to vote ratio of all time or does Jeb! still hold that record

surprisingly, jeb! wasn't even the worst in the 2016 cycle (but it depends on whether people who drop out before the first election count) https://wtop.com/elections/2016/07/much-presidential-candidate-spend-per-vote/

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
all political fundraising should now be measured in josh mechanical keyboards (jmk). this candidate won with a jmk of just over 21 https://twitter.com/TheDuhalde/status/1291567234402390016

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
he’s donating his likes a la getfiscal (ok the apology seems decent though) https://twitter.com/Joshua4Congress/status/1291612905222234112

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

apropos to nothing posted:

the main lesson to take away from josh collins is that socialists and workers need an independent working class party with a genuine democratic structure where the candidates and campaigns which are run are decided on democratically by the membership. and that would extend to where and when the campaigns would be run, and the actual nature of how they are run. not just determined by individuals making individual decisions to run. theres also been some examples where the labor/left vote has been split in primaries or general election like in seattle with shaun scott last year or minneapolis with ginger jentzen a few years back

what are you referring to w/ shaun? he lost in a head-to-head with the pro-amazon white guy

i don't think you're wrong exactly but what i take away from this is that the left can't just pay attention to "does this person have good politics/say the right things," but also "is this person competent enough to run a campaign and accomplish things while in office." we've been so on guard for people who are secretly centrists but we also need to look out for people who are just complete cranks or otherwise useless at doing things like "getting elected"

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

apropos to nothing posted:

in the primary there was another candidate, cant remember her name, but who ran with a very similar platform and split the labor vote. had support from a lot of unions. scott won but in a jungle primary theres no reason to have multiple people like that which just splits the vote. to the second point, exactly thats why there needs to be democratic decision making and controls in the form of a party.

emily myers. specifically in seattle what I’ve seen a lot is conflict between the unions and the left which is just weird ideologically. the worst example was DSA running Jon Grant against the labor-backed Teresa Mosqueda, who even as a left-liberal labor candidate was a really good one

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
the weirdest part was that emily myers was basically not campaigning since she was going to school full-time, unlike shaun scott who was campaigning full-time. labor unions endorsing her was basically their equivalent of backing... josh4congress v:confused:v

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
there's no way a SINGLE SENATOR could ignite some sort of left movement in our country

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

ToxicAcne posted:

Also I got to say, this particular moment in American history has probably completely disillusioned a lot of leftists from electoral politics.

well i tried to make a thread about unionizing a workplace (shoutout apropos for being the only other person to really contribute to it) and cspam DEFINITELY didn't care about doing that.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Shiroc posted:

Oh hey, I'm being called a cop for being skeptical of electoralism as a meaningful way of building accountable power. I must be back in DSA.

if you're going to poo poo on electoralism i would like to nicely ask you to do it via making GBS threads on josh4congress or Shahid Buttar rather than the people in this forum trying to get someone better elected. thank u.

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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
there's just basic "not being a dick" protocol especially with regard to political work. say you're working with DSA and a bunch of people are super into medicare 4 all canvassing (i know this was a point of contention in seattle), you don't need to insult them about it and pick fights for no reason. just do something else!!

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