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Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

Yeah the world has been getting better. (barring the current pandemic / Riots)


https://www.gapminder.org/
Wander around these videos, to see people raising healthy children.
https://www.gapminder.org/tools/?from=world$chart-type=bubbles

How important washing machines are.
https://www.gapminder.org/videos/hans-rosling-and-the-magic-washing-machine/


Crime in the United States Peaked in 1993.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
(prison is still high.)



Cancer and heart attacks are the killers today when Disease used to wipe people out. It's why your grand parents had 10 kids. Those kids were either going to die at child birth, or die before they were ten, and in the case of women, die from giving child birth.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/235703/major-causes-of-death-in-the-us/
https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/25/mortality-in-the-united-states-past-present-and-future


Drug Usage is up, but it's like heart attack where it's people committing suicide by making unhealthy choices due to a bad environment.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db329.htm


The US can easily feed everybody in the country and a sizable percentage of the world . The USA work force is made up of less then 2% farmers, when in 1900's 80% of the work force was farming.
Farming was hard work and risky. All those jobs are gone to automation and the world is better for it. There are new jobs, like generic rear end computer touchers.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/farming-industry-facts-us-2019-5-1028242678
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-us-land-use/

Stock pile of nuclear weapons has been going down.
https://ourworldindata.org/nuclear-weapons

Wars are less deadly.
https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace


We are living in one of the most peaceful times in human history.

Sure climate change is a problem. But it's not a problem. Humans are good at fixing any problem. If we put energy into it. Climate change could be fixed in a snap.

Poverty: The 70's had the hugest amount of world poverty, and it's almost gone, but that last couple million people is hard to bring out. UBI tomorrow could fix that.
https://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-end-poverty/

The real problem are the people that stand in the way. Same people that don't wear masks, vote in Trump and force you to vote in lesser leaders, don't allow for UBI, and exploit workers around the world and millions of other problems.


Sure yea I benefit from it, but if you gave me a magic wand to change poo poo to what ever experts say would be the best for the world and humanity, I would wave that wand, and you would too. Many people would, except for those crazy people.


But gently caress if I'm ever going to say "the world is getting better.
Too many "intellectuals" KNOW the worlds is getting worse for their short term perspective. (https://www.gapminder.org/ignorance/)
And it is possible for the world to get worse. (Because of Covid the Millennial generation will lose a couple years of their life span)
Also when people think something is bad they are more motivated to fix that problem.




~~~~ So don't quote this poo poo. ~~~~


So yeah. The world is poo poo. We're all gonna die in five years.

I realize that you agree the world is poo poo, but in case you actually believe the dumb statistics you quoted:

Child deaths will massively increase as a function of the pandemic, the depression and the complete overload of the hospital industry.

Crime will go up as a global pandemic and depression is sweeping the planet.

Yes reducing endemic diseases are good, but noting the reduction in disease during a loving pandemic is laughable. "If we just discount this massive source of death, numbers are looking good". Particularly silly when Covid-19 is not just an effective killer, but leaves people maimed that will die a few years later.

Drug usage is up and will only grow to new heights between the Covid victims in permanent pain and everybody else in existential pain.

It is great that fewer people have to work to feed the population, not so great that it is rapidly depleting aquifers and is therefore completely unsustainable.

The nuclear arsenal reduction treaties mostly resulted in more warheads on each missile (MIRVs):
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2016/10/new-start-data-2016/
"Moreover, New START contains no sub-limits, which enables both sides to take advantage of loopholes. Whereas the now-abandoned START II treaty banned multiple warheads (MIRV) on ICBMs, the New START treaty has no such limits, which enables Russia to incorporate MIRV on its new ICBMs and the United States to store hundreds of non-deployed warheads for re-MIRVing of its ICBMs. Russia is developing a new “heavy” ICBM with MIRV and the next U.S. ICBM (GBSD) will be capable of carrying MIRV as well.

Similarly, the “fake” bomber count of attributing only one deployed strategic weapon per bomber despite its capacity to carry many more has caused both sides to retain large inventories of non-deployed weapons to retain a quick upload capability with many hundreds of long-range nuclear cruise missiles. And both sides are developing new nuclear-armed cruise missiles."

Wars are only less deadly if we look at "battle-related death", most deaths in wars are not the result of combat. Have a look at your own source, check "Conflict deaths per 100k" and realize that the death toll is back to 1995 levels.

The global poverty metrics have been heavily criticised:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4547200/
"Thus, the tighter definition of poverty used by the World Bank tends to lead to a better-looking poverty trend, because the poverty line is too low the trend it reports is too rosy."

And finally this notion of skipping over global warming as just a matter of a "snap" is laughable. The effects are baked in over a multi-decade timeline.

Washing machines being good however, I will grant.

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Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Regarde Aduck posted:

I think it's a instinctive desire to spread the despair as to share it and maybe lessen it? But as we're all detached from each other on the internet it just spreads the despair and doesn't make anyone feel any better. Kinda like a virus.

If anybody wants to make the world a better place, it needs to be communicated that it isn't currently happening and won't happen if we just lean back, pat ourselves on the back and say "job well done". So if you still believe that the World Bank is acting in good faith, when they claim that global poverty has been practically eliminated, you need to be dissuaded of this illusion. Their measure is trash and they are not helping (and they never have).

This goes for practically any other statistic mentioned here, "we have reduced the nuclear stockpile!" (except they didn't, they kinda-sorta reduced delivery vehicles), "wars are less deadly now!" (unless you are a civilian) or "agriculture can feed the world!" (except it is unsustainable).

Call it spreading the despair or call it optimism that things can change if someone actually tried. The neoliberals are not actually trying, they have never actually tried and they will never actually try.

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