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Hand Knit posted:I'm excited to see both what Toronto tries to do in the offseason and what they actually do. I'm my usual mix of intrigued and horrified at the thought of what Rutherford might try to do to adjust to the latest failure. Personally I'd like the Pens to not blow it up and just try to get rid of some dead weight. Get rid of JJ by any means possible whether it's buyout, trade, or burying him in the minors. Just eat the cost of that because he's an actively bad player. I'd also consider moving Murray and plan to go with Jarry as the guy moving forward. Murray has been trending the wrong way for a few years now and Jarry looks more promising at this point. Also let Schultz walk in free agency. Beyond that? I dunno. I don't think it's time to move on from Sullivan yet.
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Aug 10, 2020 16:32
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Koopa Kid posted:I mean, Pittsburgh's path to success is basically 1) stay healthy and 2) get rid of Jack Johnson somehow, I don't know that they need to do much else. They've been weirdly flat in their last two playoff series but that can happen in a short series and I think a lot of frustrated fans are reading too much into that. I don't think I want them to blow it up either coaching or roster-wise. And I'm not sure what that would even look like if they did go that route. You don't trade Malkin or Letang. You don't trade Guentzel. So there's no other real "blow up" moves to do short of firing the coach which I think the timing doesn't feel right on that yet. If they go another year with a good regular season and a poop postseason then maybe get rid of Sully, but I wouldn't get rid of him after one abbreviated playoff series this year in the most surreal sporting environment a team/coach could be in. Like how does any team make any confident evaluations about players/coaches amidst a pandemic? Carver posted:The biggest thing that worries me is definitely the idea that getting rid of Sullivan might take hold - I don't believe that will change anything at all. I don't think that would change anything either. It's frustrating to have two straight playoff series where the team looked lifeless (and three straight exits overall) but I think Sullivan has earned at least one more shot at it. And I think some minor roster tweaks would go a long way.
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Aug 10, 2020 16:51
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I wonder how the team that will get Lafreniere will react to that in terms of roster moves. Would that spur the Leafs to move someone like Nylander, for example?
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Aug 10, 2020 16:58
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Mind_Taker posted:Nah it’s the third worst. Pittsburgh or Toronto would have been worse. Edmonton, Pittsburgh, or Toronto would definitely be the worst.
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Aug 10, 2020 23:27
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JJ is just so goddamned bad. I get that JR doesn't want to directly throw him under the bus because he'd probably like to trade him but Jesus Christ just buy him out or bury him in the minors or do whatever it loving takes to get him off the team. Anything would be better than having him on the roster.
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Aug 11, 2020 19:08
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Mind_Taker posted:Ah yes the ol’ “our internal metrics are better than public data.” The Penguins tried to do this same poo poo to defend the JJ signing.
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Aug 12, 2020 23:24
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i am the bird posted:it's helping show who the real freaks are that continue to wear suits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R4zDkv0slY&t=41s
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Aug 14, 2020 15:38
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JR definitely deserves to be mocked for defending JJ, but that Athletic article title is clickbait garbage. He didn't say anything about wanting JJ to finish his career as a Penguin. That said, this is exactly what I expect to happen since that contract is awful, the Penguins don't do buyouts, and I doubt anyone will want JJ when he's 35 or whatever and the contract is over.
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Aug 21, 2020 16:08
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A first seems fine for a good young player on an affordable contract. The Pens are still win now, so that first isn't gonna help them early enough to contend with Crosby and Malkin. They're gonna have a Detroit level collapse once Crosby and Malkin get too old but that was always gonna happen anyways so
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Aug 25, 2020 16:55
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ThinkTank posted:The Pens have what? Three good years left from Sid and Geno maybe? They got a decent middle six forward for a mid round pick. That's a good trade. One of the Pens Athletic writers who does a lot of analytics stuff seems really down on this trade. He's pretty high on the draft this year, though, and he liked Hallander. My opinion is basically yours. 15th overall picks are not going to stop the decline. Just go all in for a few years. When the bottom falls out (and oh will it ever), they can start keeping the picks and rebuilding at that point. But for now, go for one more cup. The core might have that in them. Crosby and Malkin should be very good players for 3-4 years more. Maximize those years.
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Aug 25, 2020 17:21
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ThinkTank posted:They got a good player and it cost them nothing off their roster. If ever there was a win now situation, it's the Pens today. There's nothing to lose by going all in at this point. They can't do a rebuild in the time they have left with Sid and Geno. Just ride it out and see what happened. Disappointing play in round aside, they were still a very good team this year. Yeah, there's no point in rebuilding while Crosby and Malkin are still productive players too. They also have no first round pick next year (it's going to Minnesota) so just go for it now and deal with the consequences later. I'd rather have the bottom fall out hard when they do start to suck again anyways. Being a middling team is no place to be. Go hard for Cups, and then suck utter rear end for a few years and start the cycle again. The Pittsburgh Penguins way baby.
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Aug 25, 2020 17:34
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The Dirty Burger posted:There’s going to be really good prospects available until like 25, this draft is stacked imo Schultz is gone, but JJ is probably staying. One of Matt Murray or Tristan Jarry is going to get dealt. Chances are it will be Murray because he's going to have bigger contract demands and he also seems like he could use a change of scenery since his play has been trending the wrong the past few years. The question is, what sort of value does MM even have at this point. He's still a young goalie who won two Cups and has had some elite stretches of play. There are some teams desperate for goaltending. Will some team pay a lot for him? I dunno. Even in the best of times goalies never seem to generate a lot of assets or interest around the league.
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Aug 25, 2020 17:52
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Sep 2, 2020 22:20
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https://twitter.com/OtherNHLCrosby/status/1301203119112687617?s=20 Fire Reirden
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Sep 2, 2020 23:49
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I mean if their intent is to trade him then pumping his tires publicly is fine but A) most GMs are smart enough to see right through that (maybe I'm giving too much credit here) B) I think they genuinely mean it and refuse to believe he sucks even though the evidence is overwhelming Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Sep 3, 2020 01:36
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I can't think of Bruce Cassidy without thinking of that comment about him showing up to the Caps training camp with his speech notes written on the back of a napkin. He comes off as a bit of a bumbling idiot when he talks too (as do I) but the Bruins have done fairly well under him so maybe he's not quite the shitter he appears to be.
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Sep 10, 2020 15:28
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grack posted:I'd say asking a first for Matt Murray is ridiculous given his current play and medical history but gently caress it, it's the Oilers, you may as well try. Cups baby now give us a first
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Sep 10, 2020 23:43
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JR should be trying to trade JJ and should offer to eat as much of the contract as the rules permit.
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Sep 13, 2020 07:02
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I still think December is an exceptionally optimistic timeframe for having fans in arenas. I'm sure there will be stipulations like only doing half or less capacity or something like that but it's still going to be a huge potential disaster to do that. And the teams traveling around and playing in different arenas is going to lead to way more infected players as well.
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Sep 21, 2020 15:34
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Aye Doc posted:unless there's a massive death outbreak at one of these NFL games with fans, we are gonna have fanned up hockey next season Oh they're gonna plow ahead and do it anyways because $$, but it's got the potentially to hugely backfire.
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Sep 21, 2020 15:40
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1308225569318985735 All hart but no heart
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Sep 22, 2020 09:05
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someone post heat map charts so I know how to feel about this
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Sep 23, 2020 19:10
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So whose giving up their first round pick for Matt Murray? He comes equipped with two stanley cup rings and fully flexible arms and legs* *glove hand not included
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Sep 24, 2020 01:45
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Yeah I'm ok with this move if it means JJ is going but I know it won't mean that so bleh. Also I'll miss Hornqvist who was a big part of helping this team win two cups and who was an absolute fuckin' warrior. Yeah that's right, a warrior. Heatmaps don't explain a Hornqvist.
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Sep 25, 2020 01:56
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Hornqvist is rad and I think he'll easily keep having 20 goal (paced) seasons on a team that builds the powerplay around him/cycling the puck rather than rushing. Guys like Hornqvist seem to age ok. Holmstrom was good well into his 30s. So I'm sure Hornqvist will be a decent powerplay specialist that isn't a liability 5v5.
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Sep 25, 2020 04:09
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Mike_V posted:it's always interesting to watch a GM take control of a championship level team and slowly dismantle it over several years Rutherford's a special case because he built the same team that he's now dismantling.
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Sep 25, 2020 06:33
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kalensc posted:Coulda gone with the same core slightly tweaked, rather than self-immolate via trades for Reaves and signings for Jack Johnsons. Two cups was a better run than I would have ever expected anyways when he took over so ah well.
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Sep 25, 2020 14:38
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Hornqvist was one of my favorite Pens from the two cup runs. Just an absolute battler out there. Gave you everything he had. Really just the definition of a guy you'd want on a cup contender. Talented enough to contribute and he'd run through a wall for you.
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Sep 25, 2020 15:50
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Grats Tampa on your fake cup* *I would have called it a real cup if the Pens won it
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Sep 29, 2020 05:40
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ThinkTank posted:The finals are over it's a week to the draft. Make some drat trades you nerd rear end GMs. I'm sure JR is trying to make more moves. And that scares me.
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Sep 29, 2020 20:19
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grack posted:If JR were smart, he'd be trying to sign Chris Tanev. Probably have to shed some salary first, though. I think it was Yohe or someone who mentioned the Pens did have interest in him but likely don't have the cap space. But that does seem like something I could see them doing.
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Sep 29, 2020 21:02
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From the Athletic: Jim Rutherford posted:“Dumoulin and Petterson are still young and aren’t going anywhere,” he said. “And obviously we like Matheson a great deal. He’ll play on the left side. So, that’s our left side. Those three. That’s it.” This is promising to hear. Jim Rutherford posted:“I just don’t know right now,” Rutherford said. “We are still working through what we’re going to do with Jack. Matheson being here changes things for Jack. So, maybe Jack can play on the right side. Or maybe he’s just going to be a depth guy for us. But Matheson is a younger guy who we really think needs to play.” This is less promising to hear. The only thing worse than JJ playing on the left side would be JJ playing on the right.
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Oct 2, 2020 08:41
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Cartoon Man posted:https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-nhl-questions-tampa-bay-lightning-about-controversial-stanley-cup-rally-1.1532973 They should be really. It's pretty moronic behavior.
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Oct 3, 2020 00:22
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I'm surprised too. I can't remember the last time they bought a player out. This makes the Matheson trade look way better to me. I know he also has a long rear end contract but there's no way he's anywhere near as bad as JJ.
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Oct 5, 2020 17:05
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Mind_Taker posted:For some reason I thought a buyout was going to be way worse on the cap. Years 1-2 and 4-6 are only like $1 million dead cap. Year 3 is like $2 million. It could be like 3-4 million per year and I'd probably still be ok with it. He's that bad. JR might have earned a lot of good will with those Cups but I have to imagine ownership isn't pleased with him loving up this badly with JJ. Probably took a lot of persuasion to get them to sign off on this.
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Oct 5, 2020 17:44
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rex rabidorum vires posted:https://twitter.com/fruitsareedible/status/1313302834524323840 lol
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Oct 6, 2020 04:38
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Rutherford wanted a first for Murray but everyone knew the Pens' cap situation and it's not like Murray has been that great the past few years. Not surprised that this was the best he could do. Kinda weird how fast the wheels fell off with Murray. I expected him to be the Pens starter for years to come after the two cups and how strong he was in the minors, but I guess goalies are voodoo. I think there's some upside there for Ottawa if they can work with him. He's got talent. A few obvious flaws, though (glove hand in particular).
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Oct 7, 2020 19:00
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CBJSprague24 posted:Here's potentially something for the stats nerds about Chinakhov, for what it's worth: Making similarities to Panarin using a 12 game sample size is a pretty big leap.
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stab posted:Lol Penguins draft 2 goalies back to back but why Gotta reload that goalie depth in the system baby rex rabidorum vires posted:I think it was 3 that we know about with one 'bell run during practice'. He had the wrist issue and his Dad's death. It seems like since the cup runs he has been deeper in the net and has suffered for it. I also think part of the issue is because of how wiry he is at 6' 4" and 178 so anything he isn't perfectly positioned for kinda squeaks through. I don't think he's allowed to wear that ridiculously baggy jersey anymore either. I still say his main issue is his glove hand. It's pretty bad. When he's on top of his game he takes up a lot of net and reads the play well but teams always know they can exploit that glove hand. And yeah I know every goalie's weakness are high shots but with Murray it feels particularly pronounced when he's struggling.
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