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So who wants to play Scum and Villainy but it’s just season 2 of The Wire.
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SlothfulCobra posted:One thing that seems consistent in most of Star Wars is that there's very little standardization, and the bulk of ships, even if they're nominally dedicated freighters, have internal cargo bays, and usually have relatively small openings to access the hold. That means that the galaxy of Star Wars lacks the standardized containerization that revolutionized modern logistics in order to allow massive freight containers to just be passed between ships, trains, and trucks with massive specialized cranes. Since Star Wars is reflecting the Golden Age SF of the 40s and 50s, it's fully in character to have breakbulk cargo be their model. All the cargo containers that have wormed their way into the production design are the real interlopers here. With droids to be the stevedores, it's another example of "how to use futuristic-looking technology as inefficiently as possible" which is a core SW theme goal.
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May 21, 2022 00:41
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Madurai posted:Since Star Wars is reflecting the Golden Age SF of the 40s and 50s, it's fully in character to have breakbulk cargo be their model. All the cargo containers that have wormed their way into the production design are the real interlopers here. With droids to be the stevedores, it's another example of "how to use futuristic-looking technology as inefficiently as possible" which is a core SW theme goal. They even made the stevedores surly, just like people! 
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May 21, 2022 02:02
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SlothfulCobra posted:One thing that seems consistent in most of Star Wars is that there's very little standardization, and the bulk of ships, even if they're nominally dedicated freighters, have internal cargo bays, and usually have relatively small openings to access the hold. That means that the galaxy of Star Wars lacks the standardized containerization that revolutionized modern logistics in order to allow massive freight containers to just be passed between ships, trains, and trucks with massive specialized cranes.  hauling cargo or having the side containers dropped off waiting somewhere
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May 21, 2022 04:12
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SlothfulCobra posted:Instead, much cargo in Star Wars would have to be treated like it was in the days before containerization: Loading and unloading by hand by an army of stevedores having to climb inside the ship and carry things out. With whatever mechanical assistance they can get, but you're not getting a forklift inside the Millennium Falcon. I'd like to see some kind of busy spaceport full of stevedores anxious for work, or maybe Star Wars could explore unionization. That's what droids are for, and yes they absolutely should unionise.
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May 21, 2022 08:04
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Star Wars is also a huge only barely united galaxy with probably tons of competing design styles and schemes still. Droids if anything are probably a shortcut, especially with how the literal Trade Federation relies on them- they find it easier to invest in better droids than better containers.
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May 21, 2022 10:59
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Most designers in the SW universe are very dumb. Just look at the lack of basic safety features like railings.
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May 21, 2022 13:59
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Most designers in the SW universe are very dumb. Just look at the lack of basic safety features like railings. Counterpoint: cultures obsessed with things like personal safety aren't the one who go on to found interstellar empires.
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May 21, 2022 19:39
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Geonosians designed the death star and they have wings, why would they need railings?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Star Wars is also a huge only barely united galaxy with probably tons of competing design styles and schemes still. Droids if anything are probably a shortcut, especially with how the literal Trade Federation relies on them- they find it easier to invest in better droids than better containers. Madurai posted:Since Star Wars is reflecting the Golden Age SF of the 40s and 50s, it's fully in character to have breakbulk cargo be their model. All the cargo containers that have wormed their way into the production design are the real interlopers here. With droids to be the stevedores, it's another example of "how to use futuristic-looking technology as inefficiently as possible" which is a core SW theme goal. I think it's the above a lot, with droids doing most of the work unless none were available, or you were a small timer or in a pinch. I remember people using "repulsor lifts" which was just like a big hand truck that floats a few inches off the ground with thrusters or magnets or whatever instead of having wheels so it felt like you were pushing a load of feathers instead of whatever heavy junk you had loaded up on it. Also I think their standardized containers are just way smaller in size, like 5'x5' or so, maybe a few different bigger sizes, mostly because of as above with ships being of such vastly different designs you need something that will fit. Having a standardized container much bigger then that isn't feasible, so yeah droids and lifts, then loading that on to bigger pallet moving type ships or devices for moving around space ports or warehouses or whatever, then load those up on the big bulk freighters for mass transport, then just pull those big slabs full of smaller containers around. When you think about it like that, it isn't too much different from our system, except we don't have droids, but we do have cranes. A bunch of people with dolly's and fork lifts (repulsor lifts) loading boxes up into semi trucks (light freighters, like the Falcon), who take that to a space sport (train station, sea port), then load them onto freight trains or container ships (bulk freighters) except instead of standardized containers it's big slabs of smaller standardized containers, or they put those boxes in bigger containers just like we do.
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May 22, 2022 07:11
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Napoleon Nelson posted:Geonosians designed the death star and they have wings, why would they need railings? I have working legs why do I need to add wheelchair ramps and elevators to this building?
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May 22, 2022 13:14
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banned from Starbucks posted:I have working legs why do I need to add wheelchair ramps and elevators to this building? Because apparently you like wasting money. What do I look like Darth Vestments? No, now loving finish that thing on time and at the budget I set.
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May 22, 2022 14:16
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It's now my headcanon that originally the Death Star was originally called "The Starkiller" b/c R E F E R E N C E but all the workers and underlyings and even officers started to call it a "Death Star" because of lack of safety compliance that the name stuck.
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May 22, 2022 14:17
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Madurai posted:Since Star Wars is reflecting the Golden Age SF of the 40s and 50s, it's fully in character to have breakbulk cargo be their model. All the cargo containers that have wormed their way into the production design are the real interlopers here. With droids to be the stevedores, it's another example of "how to use futuristic-looking technology as inefficiently as possible" which is a core SW theme goal. Actually existing space fighters are also a key achievement in being inefficient. 
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May 22, 2022 23:17
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Twenty Four posted:I think it's the above a lot, with droids doing most of the work unless none were available, or you were a small timer or in a pinch. I remember people using "repulsor lifts" which was just like a big hand truck that floats a few inches off the ground with thrusters or magnets or whatever instead of having wheels so it felt like you were pushing a load of feathers instead of whatever heavy junk you had loaded up on it. I don't think you understood the original point? Containerization doesn't mean just having containers ; boxes and baskets and amphora and other ways of containing things have existed since pretty much about as far as we have archaeological evidence. The advancement of containerization as a recent development (really getting going in the 1960's) was that every single means of conveying freight wound up using the exact same kinds of interchangeable containers. Like how commercial cargo boats and freight trains use literally the exact same big-rear end containers and they can be freely swapped around as needed. What you're describing is the exact same thing as an 19th century freight train or a Greek trireme or whatever filled with sacks of grain, which isn't containerization and is what's in Star Wars. Hence the original point of the post.
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May 23, 2022 00:15
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Yeah, the glory of containerization is that you load up these giant aluminum boxes, and then you can put it on a semi-truck to take it to a train that can plop it on a boat to take it across the sea to another train or truck to take it to its final destination with no reason to open up the box along the way, and in-between steps on the journey, they can just be safely stacked in a pile. Without standardization, you have to keep switching boxes between steps of the journey, or take a bunch of small boxes from one step to the next instead of one big box at a time. I guess there's also not a lot of depiction of intermediate logistics steps in Star Wars, but I think the few trains that have been depicted don't seem to have big cargo containers on them. Gravitas Shortfall posted:That's what droids are for, and yes they absolutely should unionise. The work is probably split between purpose-built droids and droids built for different purposes just getting poorly reused, but with the way Star Wars goes it may still be organics doing the bulk of the work because of the whole broken future thing. Napoleon Nelson posted:Geonosians designed the death star and they have wings, why would they need railings? They also had no unions. Workers had to fight hard for OSHA standards like getting factories to stop the machinery when somebody wanders onto the floor. Kinda hard to form unions when your leaders have mind-control worms. And then when they finished the first Death Star, the Empire had the workers gassed.
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May 23, 2022 02:19
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Retro-future is absolutely key to the Star Wars aesthetic, given both thematic nods with the older styled sci-fi looks of the prequels and the WW2 in space themes of the OT. Their tech is one thing, their values are another. And yeah, containerisation was basically a quiet revolution for global trade. The same containers go on ships, trucks and trains everywhere in the world.
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May 23, 2022 11:24
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Containerization was really kicked off by the war in Vietnam, so it’s quietly happening in the background of the sequel trilogy.
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May 23, 2022 11:37
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If you want a good overview of how containerisation changed the world, read "The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger" by Mark Levinson. The flow-on effects from "hey why don't we have standardised sizes for stuff" is absolutely insane.
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May 23, 2022 11:54
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How much spice y’all think Han was smuggling? Jeez.
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May 29, 2022 21:20
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It's like Goldfinger's car. The Millennium Falcon is *made* from spice.
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May 29, 2022 23:26
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At least spice isn't a space dug you inject into your eyes. That's almost always how sci-fi drugs are shown. I guess that's more impressive than having a pill or injecting into your arm or snorting it. Though unless the drug did something to your vision i don't know how that would get in into your bloodstream faster than a vein.
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May 31, 2022 22:24
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Don't forget the drug from Robocop 2 which required you to stab yourself with a pretty big chunk of glass or plastic or whatever those containers were made of.
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May 31, 2022 22:34
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muscles like this! posted:Don't forget the drug from Robocop 2 which required you to stab yourself with a pretty big chunk of glass or plastic or whatever those containers were made of. This would involve remembering anything from RoboCop 2, which is not recommended.
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Jun 1, 2022 00:38
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Madurai posted:This would involve remembering anything from RoboCop 2, which is not recommended. I'll not have you malign the prototype unveiling scenes with your shocking ignorance.
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Breetai posted:I'll not have you malign the prototype unveiling scenes with your shocking ignorance. Yea, Robocop 2 rules. Its like Predator 2. People say its bad but i doubt they watched it any time recently.
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twistedmentat posted:At least spice isn't a space dug you inject into your eyes. That's almost always how sci-fi drugs are shown. I guess that's more impressive than having a pill or injecting into your arm or snorting it. I mean I guess it could get into your brain faster from your eye than your arm, but I don’t know what weird calculus you’re doing that needs to shave off a fraction of a second in getting high at the cost of shoving a needle inside your face. From a quick google, all the injections done into eyes are, stunning surprise, done to treat eye problems and are into the vitreous jelly and not your eye veins because that’d be batshit loco.
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Jun 1, 2022 02:32
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muscles like this! posted:Don't forget the drug from Robocop 2 which required you to stab yourself with a pretty big chunk of glass or plastic or whatever those containers were made of. There was a tiny little needle on the end of it. You didn't jab the entire container into your neck.
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It still blows my mind that RoboCop 2 was directed by Irvin Kirshner. No one person is to blame for that mess but Frank Miller’s script is a big part of it, considering there was a comic book made of his “pure” vision and its even worse than the film.
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Robocop 2 really could have used a final rewrite before they began filming. The flow of the movie just isn't quite right.
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Jun 1, 2022 22:23
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Robocop 2 is pretty good, still has some classic lines. 3 is the one that sucks.
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RoboCop 2 is mostly poo poo, but the scene where the RoboCop sequel sees itself and commits suicide rather than go on as a shambling horror is top shelf
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Jun 1, 2022 23:41
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Breetai posted:I'll not have you malign the prototype unveiling scenes with your shocking ignorance. Note that this is one of the few memorable scenes that anyone ever mentions when discussing the movie. Very few other elements are brought up. And that is because the movie was poo poo, due in no small part to Kershner directing most of the movie from a wheelchair (he had a nasty flu during production that nearly killed him) and Walon Green rewriting scenes overnight and the morning they were due to be filmed.
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Jun 2, 2022 00:09
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Phil Tippett’s stop motion work was awesome and there was lots of action, which was one of the reasons I liked it as a kid (I had the VHS). I bought it on DVD much later and wow did it not hold up to what I remembered. Most kids don’t really have a concept of “bad movies” though.
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david_a posted:Phil Tippett’s stop motion work was awesome and there was lots of action, which was one of the reasons I liked it as a kid (I had the VHS). I bought it on DVD much later and wow did it not hold up to what I remembered. Most kids don’t really have a concept of “bad movies” though. Patton Oswalt has this story about being a little kid and staring out a window as it snowed. For a moment, his 5 year old brain believed that the snowflakes were stationary and that it was his house that was floating upwards. Every psychedelic drug he's ever taken has been in pursuit of that particular level hallucination and has never achieved it again. Where do I have to hit myself in the head with a hammer so I can go back to having a fun time watching movies?
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david_a posted:Phil Tippett’s stop motion work was awesome and there was lots of action, which was one of the reasons I liked it as a kid (I had the VHS). I bought it on DVD much later and wow did it not hold up to what I remembered. Most kids don’t really have a concept of “bad movies” though. Yea the fight between the Kane robot and Robocop is great at the end. Other great stuff is when the parents are all "does robocop have to be so violent" which seems like its a direct attack on critics on how violent the first movie is. It also makes him completely ineffective. Who then ends up nearly killing himself to factory reset. Then the cops just go in after Kane and his crew. There's lots of memorable parts of the movie. The biggest issue with the movie is that it has zero of the statire of American life as the first one and is just a straight action movie. Tom Noonian is great as Kane, super menacing but also kinda goofy villain with his group of henchmen including an elvis guy and the slickback from that one TNG episode. Though I will say, Predator 2 is very much maligned. Danny Glover rules, Gary Busey is fantatic, Bill Paxton also rules. Its were all the coolest predator gadgets come from, but it does have the scary non white gangs turning our cities into warzones.
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twistedmentat posted:Its were all the coolest predator gadgets come from, but it does have the scary non white gangs turning our cities into warzones. Is it a point for or against the movie that the police fighting the scary non white gangs looked like this?  does one Paxton nullify the diversity or does the inclusion of a woman cancel out his whiteness?
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Na'at posted:Is it a point for or against the movie that the police fighting the scary non white gangs looked like this? Paxton is treated like the unwanted outsider who is a douchebag, so idk if he’s nullifying the diversity
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:Paxton is treated like the unwanted outsider who is a douchebag, so idk if he’s nullifying the diversity The most unwanted thing in that picture is the deagle.
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i love glover as the main in predator 2 but i always thought it was kind of obvious they killed off all the actors who could star in a second one. all the biggest beefcakes in hollywood got put down by the predator already. i love predator 2. its such a coke dream
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