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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





I cried about four times over the course of the MSQ and outright bawled at least twice. Pretty impressive for a story that I last got an update for six months ago.

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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





SpaceDrake posted:

also wrt the zenos discussion in the main thread: frankly I'm also just happy to have an excuse for Matt McCooey to come back and consume ham through a microphone. Fandaniel is an absolute delight to listen to and I am looking forward to the sympathetic villains of Shadowbringers being contrasted by dudes who are just, straight up, no excuses, no sympathy, absolute loving monsters and played by talented actors who are having a ball with the production.

A sign of how much their writing has improved since Stormblood is that they're deliberately pairing Zenos with an off-the-wall goofball type to serve as a straight man and provide contrast to his more dour, brooding personality. I think it's hard to stomach too much of a vollain whose primary personality trait is "terribly bored with everything," so having a secondary character who can do all the usual villainous antics lets you have your cake and eat it.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Emet mentioned in some of the side dialogue in 5.0 that the Sundered they deign to elevate to an empty Ascian office don't have the same dedication to the cause as the Unsundered, so Fandaniel not giving a gently caress about the original Ascian agenda is completely explicable.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Fister Roboto posted:

Oh, I just realized that the shade who summons you back from the void is probably the shade of Emet-Selch, which is why he's doing his trademark sassy handwave. I thought it was Hydlothaeus for some reason.

Yep. Y'shtola spells it out in the post-trial cutscene: Emet-Selch knew he was going to die, so he crafted the Azem crystal and ensured that Hythlodaeus would pass it on to you, knowing that you could use it to help put Elidibus to rest and end the latter's suffering.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





hobbesmaster posted:

Emet Selch in SHB also makes a bit more sense now. He was the last ancient after we cut through the others - Elidibus was a primal and wasnít a real person anymore. It makes the entire plot of SHB some sort of elaborate suicide by WoL.

I mentioned it in the other thread, but 5.3 contextualizes Emet's behaviour a lot more: he acts the way he does because he's fundamentally caught in an intractable dilemma. He comes to realize that you and your ilk really are worthy of being the new stewards of the star, but it's also impossible for him to give up his crusade, due both to the promise he made to his brethren, and the incalcuable sins committed in their name. He goads you on and invites you to witness the scale of his struggle to see if you really do have the drive and determination to forge your own way, because you're ultimately the only thing that can break the deadlock he finds himself in.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Drashin posted:

Its a little late but I have always considered the Rift in FFXIV to be equivalent to the void in other Final Fantasy titles, ie the space between dimensions which is usually used for crossovers between the games like Gilgamesh and Dissidia.

Gilgamesh can explicitly travel through the Rift in FFXIV, like in his other appearances, and it's stated to be what various other crossover characters have traversed to get to Eorzea, so it's likely meant to be the same thing.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





erenoyo posted:

The "Elidibus is a child" theory doesn't really convince me for one reason: why would a sitting member of the council of leadership for their society be a child?

It's stated that one of the Convocation members resigned prior to the summoning of Zodiark, which could have well been the former Elidibus. The current Elidibus was thus picked because of the necessity of having someone innocent of outside desires, as the temperament of Zodiark would be directly affected by whoever performed the summoning.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Cythereal posted:

That was Azem. The Hydaelen folks split off from the Amaurotines only after Zodiark was summoned, but Azem resigned her post and left before Zodiark was even summoned due to her objecting to the plan.

You're right, my bad. I thought Hythlodaeus had said they'd always been separate from the Convocation, but I rechecked his dialogue and Azem did indeed split ways pre-Zodiark.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Nibble posted:

The Bozja Incident feels oddly familiar, in that a similar event came up in the Crystal Tower raid story. Didnít the Allagans try to harness some type of power that ended up being too much for the Tower and took out the surrounding area?

More or less. The Fourth Umbral Calamity was caused by Xande attempting to call down the entire stored power of Dalamud into the Crystal Tower at once in order to tear open a Voidgate to fulfill his pact with the Cloud of Darkness. It proved too much for the Tower to bear, and the resulting energy spilled out, causing a world-shattering quake.

Vermain fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Sep 9, 2020

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Sorry, didn't mean to use spoiler tags up there. My brain's out to lunch today and I thought I was in the main thread. vv

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Gaius isn't going to turn, both due to the logistical issue of him being a primary character in the Weapon questline (and they've been doing their damndest to avoid another Estinien situation), and due to him having no real reason to. The whole point of the Weapons questline is him realizing that his unthinking pursuit of nationalistic and militaristic virtue - values that he instilled in his foster children - has led to the transfiguration of his sons and daughters into actual monsters. Him pounding his fists on the rocks of Terncliff is the inflection point where he realizes that all the things he thought were good and just in the world were damnably wrong.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Chillgamesh posted:

Sidestories like raids and trial stories are explicitly and specifically happening between the expansions. You already have continuity errors with "How is Thancred on the first right now when I just saw him leave and there's no way to come back?" if you wait until finishing MSQ to start Eden.

It's becoming more and more rare for them to have large continuity gaps since HW, since, even if you give the player fair warning, it's jarring to have characters pop in with a decidedly different role than whatever they've had in the story going forwards. I far more expect him to become the leader of whatever remnant of Garleans remains post-6.X, given that he's the only Garlean - aside from Maximus - given any major screentime who's been given character development to the effect of realizing the wrongness of their past actions and the need to correct both their own course and that of their nation.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Zenos is a subtler, less ostentatious Weapon. He's a person who was "merged" with the pure, unfiltered essence of Garlean imperialism - the basest impulses of violence and dominance - and who came out the other end in a form only barely recognizable as human. The fact that he had his head filled with images of the end of the world since he was very young didn't help, but the outcome was more a consequence of his circumstances than his inherent character.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Hunter Noventa posted:

I don't think he knows this, he's just doing it because he got done dirty by Lahabrea.

What Gaius tells Valdeaulin is, "For millenia, mankind has danced to [the Ascians'] tune," which implies that he knows the Empire has been manipulated directly, if not necessarily founded by them.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Xarbala posted:

I hope we get to fight in in 6.x.

It'll likely be in 7.X. With the way they've laid everything out in the storyline, I'm betting that 6.X will involve finally wrapping up Garlemald - including dealing with Zenos and Zodiark once and for all - with 7.X then seguing into a new threat (Lavos/Jenova/whatever) over in the New World, where it supposedly originated.

Vermain fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Sep 20, 2020

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Sinteres posted:

I think it's extremely unlikely that Zodiark is going to be dealt with or skipped over in patch content for this expansion.

I don't think he'll be ignored, but they're not going to do much with him until 6.X. My reasoning is that they've been setting up Zenos to be the big showdown villain of the entire Ascian arc for a while now, and while I fully expect for him to follow through on his plan to absorb Zodiark, doing so in the pre-patch would immediately crank the stakes up to the max and not give a lot of room for the threat to grow during the 6.0 storyline.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





The far more likely scenario is that she simply burns herself out completely helping you fight off Zenodiark. It'd put a nice, neat bow onto the whole storyline.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





Chillgamesh posted:

It's not even a secretly evil thing. Without Zodiark for her to keep in check, and likewise keeping her in check, she'd run rampant by her very nature as a primal.

The whole aether-swilling thing the "standard" Primals do is a consequence of them having no aether to keep them around aside from ambient aether. Ones created by the Ancients - including Hydaelyn and Zodiark - were powered by the incredible aether of the Ancients' souls and therefore don't require it to survive.

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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006





erenoyo posted:

Do we even really know what the Blessing of Light is?

It grants you some vaguely-defined protections against the Ascians and various cutscene powers when appropriate.

Sinteres posted:

Emet-Selch suggested it could be that we're tempered by Hydaelyn just as he was by Zodiark, which would make us immune to tempering by other primals. He could have been wrong, but we do conveniently have anti-tempering technology now if we need to be reprogrammed. I don't think it'll be that blatant though.

The Echo is what grants people protection from tempering. Given what Emet says about being tempered, it seems to be a simple matter of how powerful your soul is relative to the Primal's. The average Ancient was completely immune to tempering and could control Primals with ease, but Zodiark was so vastly above and beyond a standard Primal that even an Ancient soul stood no chance.

Vermain fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Sep 20, 2020

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