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Sorry, to spell something out discussed upthread: Elidibus that we knew & encountered was a primal. (Splintered from Zodiark, embodying & empowered by heroism.) Original Elidibus, (or well, the Ascian/Amurotian that last held that office?) sacrificed themselves to bring forth Zodiark originally? But the other Ascians we've encountered, (Emet-Selch) they were not primals, right? But didn't all the convocation sacrifice themselves for Zodiark, save the 14th?
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Rand Brittain posted:At this point I think it might be a good time to bite down on that and just put romance paths in the next expansion, since the main story is coming to an end. Oh god. It took me forever to pick a side for the Neir stuff (and that seems inconsequential?) don't make me chose who to partner my WoL with, it's too hard.
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I am musically dumb but I enjoy this guy's analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM0F7YAtW4s
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Arist posted:He's fun, I've been following him for a while. I love how he's so into the motifs Yeah, I stumbled upon his video for The Twinning / A Long Fall awhile back and it was a real treat. I think I have a pretty bad ear, but I love seeing people break apart music and explain where all the motifs come from.
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Sherry Bahm posted:Not to mention the implication that there's other shards of the Source out there.
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I noticed during the Thavanir show-off, the zone had the same aetheryte as Sharlayan, but Radz-At-Han had a different one.
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May 16, 2021 15:22
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Have people documented all the visible towers that showed up in 5.5? I noticed one in Dravanian Forelands today (at least, I think it was that, there was dust storm weather) - I know we see ones in The Lochs and Outer La Noscea because the story draws attention to them, and I assume one is visible in Southern Thanalan?
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e: I'm half expecting Sharlayan to be a bit later into the story, though HW and ShB gave us access to the new capitals really quickly, making Kugane the odd one out. Can someone give me a refresher on Zenos, Fandanial, the fall of Garlameld, and the timeline? From what I recall, we have our battle with Zenos in Ala Mihgo, then he fuses with Shinryu, which we defeat. We later find out Zenos' body went missing or something, and we got a stinger of what turned out to be Zenos in someone else's body? Then I guess through the SB patch series we got the occasional stinger of him making his way back to Garlameld, and hints of what was to come with Garlameld? I think we were to presume Zenos got jacked up with the echo by the one scientist dude who experimented on Krile? Asahi gets off'd by Yotsuyu, in what, 4.3? When did Fandanial first turns up, in ShB? Do we know much about why Fandaniel has/chose Asahi's body? Did we have an early warning about Asahi's body vanishing? I remember some cutscenes with Elidibus? in the capital with the Varis, where they laid out the lie that Garlemeld was built on? Varis gets off by Zenos (witnessed by Enstinien and Gaius?) How'd Zenos get is proper body back? Then I think Zenos and Fandaniel have been kinda chilling in the capital while everything goes to poo poo and they lay plans. Does many other people know about the lie of Garlemeld, or is it all just power struggle/civil war? Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 17, 2021 |
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Moofia Boss Val posted:5.5 spoilers Cheers. so it's more that Fandaniel just took on Asahi's form for funsies? To gently caress with Zenos? No real explanation yet?
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May 17, 2021 21:52
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I think there's an angle from Cythereal that I can kind see get, and that's maybe that it would be better if there wasn't a greater evil/threat that the Amaurotians faced, because that could very well lead to just another thing for us to go and punch. But it feels hard to balance that without making it too much into "the Amaurotians are responsible for their own downfall." It certainly feels like things are building up in a way that the truth of the end of days will be relevant, but it also feels very much like Fandaniel is mostly just creating a simulation of it or something?
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Yeah, there's a pretty stark difference of "sacrificing the inhabitants of 13 worlds*" and "potentially sacrificing a single timeline of people potentially doomed to suffering" * Wait, are there 13 or 14 shards? It's The Source (ours) + 13 shards, right? Nessus posted:Nobody made the Ascians go sacrifice-crazy (other than, possibly, tempering by Zodiark, maybe, who knows); they could have, post-sundering and such, set out to rebuild the world and make glories greater than the old, but they did not do that.
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May 18, 2021 00:39
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(Bozja stuff) Is The Queen in Delubrum Reginae a (visual) reference to something from another FF game? Something about that contraption feels familiar. That or, they nailed aesthetic so incredibly well I can just imagine an old school SNES sprite of it.
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May 18, 2021 02:07
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Yeah, Grand Cosmos and Holminster Switch both share the Lakeland motif since they're considered Lakeland dungeons/adjacent.
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I'm not quite sure what the Zadnor choice leads to. (Alluding to spoilers at R25 It sure feels like the outcome should be the same?Moofia Boss Val posted:But it's true. Out of the 5 nations the WoL helps establish a new government in, 4 of them became democracies: Ishgard gets a House of Commons. Ala Mhigo, Eulmore, and Bozja (don't know if it does but it's obvious that's what's going to happen there) became democratic republics, and the story bent over backwards to demonize monarchy and glorify democracy. And then we have Charlemand's custom delievery questline, where he is a high ranking stogy noble who - within just a few quests - leaps to wanting every Ishgardian citizen to be equal? What? You're going to have to try a little harder to explain why the story going "actually its good when governance is not determined by birthright" is somehow a bad thing.
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Chillgamesh posted:I gotta say, pretending to forget entire swathes of the game and then making poo poo up whole cloth to support posts like like "Monarchism Is Good" or "Forchenault Did Nothing Wrong, Except Live In A Democracy" is kinda funny "-sigh- I once again can't believe how biased the game is towards democracy" is possibly the strongest.
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Well it's also that he wants us pissed/giving it our all, rather then "oh, you again, lets just get this over with." I'm worried he's going to off someone we do genuinely care about. (Or well, at least most players care about.) e: Now I'm imagining Zenos killing someone he thinks we care about, but don't actually. Zenos, standing infront of a village of slain Namazu: "Does this boil your blood, dear friend? Is your thirst for vengence great?" WoL: -shrug-
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While I assume 6.0 will be finishing the primary story, of Zodiark, Hydalean and Ascians and all that junk, I kind of assume 6.x will be a lot of smaller closure and post mortem as we maybe help out with the aftermath of things around the places we've been before, and kind of plan for the future, while obviously building up whatever new threat/adventure will be in 7.0. Like, I can't imagine the break between 6.0 and 6.1 is going to be so dramatic, because of the work involved? The culmination of Bozja: Seems to be maybe setting up that the liberation of Dalmasca / the Fourth Legion are still something to be dealt with? Nothing about EW's story seems to suggest they'll be dealt with there, and I can't imagine they'll just die off screen unceremoniously. Maybe it will just be the EW version of Bozja/Eureka.
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thetoughestbean posted:A time skip seems like it would be a nightmare. You’d have to update the entire game to have changed for how long the time skip has been, or else you’d have places that are years in the past, like WoW. Huh, that seems odd given the whole cutscene stinger where he was presented some special weapons? Like a took that as a big hint for future content. Side note, god I hate Lyon.
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It seems super bizarre to have the stinger cutscene, then the field notes be like "nah, he dead," ... although the notes also make a point to say that noone is sure it was actually him, and Lyon and others are still at large.
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I don't know if I'd entirely call Sorrows of Werylt a "feel good redemption story," like, I guess Gauis gets his cool moment, but it feels less like redemption and more like atonement?Badger of Basra posted:When the screen at the end came up and said CHAPTER FOUR RETURN OF THE QUEEN, did that mean we had just finished chapter four, or we're just starting it? Yes.
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Dang, I didn't notice that Diablo Armament music had Diabolos leitmotif because the former is actually good.
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I feel like the past/future could be cool, particularly if presented similarly to The First? Maybe not directly impacting our timeline, or "here's some society we've heard about numerous times at it's height" But I think I'd rather see other parts of the world first, as well.
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Gearhead posted:To explain: Wasn't it specifically Celestial Currents? They were just naturally weaker in some places, much like normal aether is strong in places but weaker in others. But also, Meteion made an ultimatum, right - she basically gave them time to try to prove life on the star was worthwhile or something to that effect, but when that time was up, she started bombarding the planet with dynamis. Zodiark was basically a shield/blanket of aether that prevented the dynamis from getting in at all. Badger of Basra posted:I think you're correct
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Gearhead posted:She was kinda throwing everything she had at the team. I suspect that the moment Thancred pulled his stunt she was thrown off balance. Specially curated levels of misery and suffering, just trying to BURY the party in tragedy. She was scared. I don't think she'd run into people expecting her and prepared for her before. Some thoughts on Zone #5 (but basically full MSQ spoilers) I was not expecting for it to be proper time travel meddling - given the previous example of time travel creating a divergence, I was fully expecting that we would leave Elpis with the knowledge that Dynamis was the cause, and the unshattered world we visited would be a split time line that may also avoid disaster, that we would maybe be able to check in on sometime later. But for it to be a fully on stable time loop / timey-wimey shenanignas was great when all was said and done. Also as an aside, upon seeing the zone, I thought back to the live letter where they decided to only show concept, since basically any in-game shots would give away too much. They're right, pretty much any architecture would have made people immediately clock it, at least as Amurotiain.
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I find myself thinking about some of the "smaller" revelations, or just stuff in general going forward: (full spoilers) That tempering isn't a natural effect of summoning - I think we have already seen a few examples of primals that don't temper, right? I also like that we didn't get the "we were tempered by Hydaelyn" revelation as well. I'm curious though - with Hydaelyn gone, do we still have the blessing of light & echo? I kind of assume so, with it being something /given/ to us? And there was the scene Venat showed us how to look into the past at a location, not just through someone's heart, that feels like it might be relevant in the future. Dynamis explaining our ability to push beyond, like how echo explained how we see telegraphs, is a fun touch too. I'm so so curious to see where things could go next. Emet certainly teased a whole ton of possibilities to explore (including the raid series) - but it's wild how just about everything we knew is off the table.
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(Post MSQ stuff): Seems like there's opportunities to catch up/check in with NPCs around the world? I noticed the Gunbreaker Job trainer in Revenant's toll and he had some stuff to say about how things are going, I also caught the girl from the RDM quests as well.
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Waffleman_ posted:End I hope the Scions don't reunite too soon, give the WoL some adventures on their own.
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RE, tank (and to a degree, healer) role quests: Broke: Fordola doesn't deserve redemption Woke: The elements don't deserve redemption. I kind of hope we get to punch some representation of the elements at some point.
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The End Days causes "Apocalypse" weather for the EW zones we see it in, I'm guessing it was the case for Amarot as well.
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Something I noticed/felt - a lot of the dungeon bosses basically feel like trial level enemies. Like, in particular, Stormblood and Shadowbringers' preview sites revealed the leveling primals (Susano & Lakshmi, Titania & Innocence) Endwalker's site previews the Magus Sisters and Anima, who are both primals, but end up only being dungeon bosses. While we have had an Ascian as a dungeon boss before, Hermes certainly had trial boss vibes to me, and Amon is a former alliance raid boss. Vanaspati feels like the one exception outside of the level 90 dungeons.
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Oh yeah, I didn't mean mechanically, just narratively. Like that's where we are with stakes and power - primals once were 8 man trials are now 4 man dungeon bosses. I guess that was the case in Paglth'an and the duty after with the Lunar Primals as well.
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Speaking of feeling weird about plotlines, does anyone else feel put off by the tank role quest? Like it's hard not to feel like the the great one/the elements are kind of selfish dicks. I probably have my shroud lore slightly wrong, but aren't the elements involved in the whole kidnap children to be padjali thing?
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Is the .3/4/5 trials being the remaining fiends + boss too obvious? If I recall they outright said the remaining patch story would be all (or primarily) 13th related? Part of me wonders if 6.2 is basically the MSQ template till 7.0 (foray into the 13th, dungeon, trial, return) on one hand, I can't imagine there wont be a curve ball, on the other, I half imagine they want to give as much attention/content to the 13th as they can since I doubt it will be the setting of it's own expansion or continue to be unresolved?
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Gearhead posted:And yes. He blew up the game world and shut the thing down for MONTHS between 1.x and 2.0. There's been a bit of a joke for a while about how Deathwing was loose for a year or more and failed to blow up the world, while Bahamut was free for like.. a minute.. and pulled it off. Zeruel posted:Do we know for certain that the Shards AREN'T other FF games repackaged? First is, well, FF1 with the WoL class, the 13th seems to be FF4. That means one of the other shards must have blitzball!
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"slightly reckless and impulsive" might be a more accurate but less punchy/succinct way of describing the way Azem probably is.
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w/r/t Golbez stuff the specific framing/cinematic language of having WoL transition into Golbez in the cutscenes, and then Durante fighting you as if you're Golbez, leaving the head out of frame, as well as describing Golbez and someone who never game up / never stopped believing in others, particularly when Zero's whole thing is "the WoL big inspired me," feel like heavy nods to Golbez paralleling the WoL, if not literally being a Azem shard.Rand Brittain posted:Also, Nophica: "Please stop being mean to the elementals; they're doing their best."
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Regarding a thing at the End of MSQ - Reddit post thinks it's a hint to Green Mage since clovers show up on a lot of green mage designs? TMNT = Green, and also Green Mage has had Shell. Maybe the clover has nothing to do with the new job, but honestly it feels like a good guess, and feels maybe a little more realistic then Time Mage or Painter, given all the presumptions Krile will take on the new caster job. As comments point out, it will probably a Sage situation where the job is mostly reimagined for FFXIV since it's previous identity is a bit weak/doesn't fit in nicely.
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I'm not going to get offended on someone else's behalf, and it's a good reminder to be mindful when worrying about cultural sensitivity on others behalf, but "only white people can do a cultural appropriation" feels very eye-rolly. Some Mexicans absolutely love Speedy Gonzales. I don't think there's a one sized fits all answer to "what is and isn't cultural appropriation or culturally insensitive" short of just listening to what actual people say. Nor do I think "well this demographic ate it up and loved it" is a sole answer/defense because regional groups aren't monoliths either.
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Nessus posted:Also it's going to be hosed up when we eventually see one of the other shards because wouldn't they all have traditional elemental alignments, rather than light/dark? I assume those traditional alignments don't really matter unless you're an Ascian trying to tip the balance? Like the 1st and 13th are respectively very light and dark because they were forced into being unbalanced. The other shards that still remain, are presumably just fairly normal worlds. The ones that are gone, probably did experience some kind of flood of <element> prior to being rejoined though, but were normal up until that point.
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