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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008







Aenor's thirst knows no bounds

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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






CharlieFoxtrot posted:

You know, I feel vindicated that I chose Azeyma as my deity all that time ago when starting the game, makes me feel like the real protagonist

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






characters known to snap their fingers and do a sassy wave: hythlodaeus???

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






put that loving wave on the mog station already

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






When I first did 5.0 I thought "Remember that once we lived" was because he knew that Elidibus had absolutely no chance against us. Now I realise it was because Emet was well aware that Elidibus had already forgotten.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Orcs and Ostriches posted:

My take was that since Elidibus was just a primal, he wasn't the real Elidibus to begin with. He was both Zodiark's and the peoples' wish for a saviour, and ultimately, that doesn't require memories or identities at all. He was the hero, he was salvation, and nothing else mattered. I don't think it had anything to do with body hopping like Lahabrea. His original summoners are also gone, so he's powered by the mixed prayers and needs of other scattered people.


That was my take, but I heard people thinking Azem and the rest of the Twelve were Venat's thirteen other summoners. I didn't remember anything linking Azem to the rest of the summoners, and wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

In the 5.2 cutscene it states that "the dissenter" (presumably Azem) refused to help the Hydaelen summoners.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






ImpAtom posted:

It seems like you can basically bring anything across, it just depends on if it is capable of remaining together after you do so. Living beings are a lot more complex than bread and thus are at a greater risk of dissolving. As long as you think of it as part of you then it should be able to come across.

The real question is: How does your Chocobo get across.

In 5.1 G'raha said that you could being living things that you considered your possessions. He even said that if you were capable of thinking of the Scions as belonging to you, you would have been able to bring them over too.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






There should be dialogue to go and gloat to Magnai about who the sun really is

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






cheetah7071 posted:

my memory of even one patch ago is shaky, I guess

It's clearly possible to meet Venat, in the same way we met Elidibus, and I hope we do (and then kick his rear end too)

I think Venat is still within Hydaelen.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






CharlieFoxtrot posted:

The closest anyone has legitimately come to killing the WoL was a waiter

I mean Emet-Selch came pretty drat close until we got an Ardbert-shaped powerup.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






No gods no primals no masters. The mothercrystal must face us and seven friends.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Cleretic posted:

Emet doesn't need to save me, I spent the entire first phase making a rope to pull my way back there anyway.

are you honestly so mad about emet-selch that you are deciding the events of the game didn't actually happen

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Its Rinaldo posted:

I miss Midgardsormr

he has earned his nap

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






man they just keep twisting the knife with regards to emet-selch

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






FFXIV's writers are really fuckin good at subtext. What started out as a "huh, that's an interesting theory" quickly spread across all the internet and now the short story comes out and yup, those things were all actually intended to be hints.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Azem saves an island by realising that they cannot fight a volcano so they turn the volcano into a primal so they can punch it

Truly, we are the inheritor of that legacy

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






AstrialJam posted:

The "Emet-Selch's title is also the Architect" is I think fanon that just spread so much that everyone assumed it was canon.

No, Emet-Selch is definitely the Architect, Hythlodaeus just runs the bureau and lives to be a thorn in his side apparently.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Y'shtola cannot have a shard of Hythlodaeus' soul because she did not have an Echo awakened by seeing a starshower.

edit: then again, you may need to actually see it occur rather than sensing it with aethersight... the theory's back to being possible

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Vitamean posted:

alejandro isn't a space alien. space travel is alien tech.

Yeah but the ironworks reverse engineered both alexander and omega to do their thing.

Also I'm so glad that they made sure that the "doomed timeline" had hope of its own.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Also the new Astral Era is spearheaded by the Ironworks and guided by Midgardsormir does that mean high tech dragon society?

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






thetoughestbean posted:

Is there any reason to kill hydaelyn though? Besides bloodlust

No gods no masters no primals.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Neither Hydaelen nor Zodiark are good or evil.

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SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






In the end, our title is just The Warrior and all other jobs are removed from the game.

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