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erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


Why can't Elidibus remember? Emet-Selch didn't have much difficulty.

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erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


Jetrauben posted:

Reincarnation makes gender basically fluid. Even if your WoL is a woman, Ardbert is Azem too just as much as you are, and he's definitely a man.


What I mean is more that like, the WoL isn't just gonna tank lesser foes' attacks; some jackass with a sword is totally capable of killing the WoL if they get sloppy.

I mean we did kinda do that in the cutscene before the WoL trial

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


^ yeah that

the second tier of ascians are harder to kill than that -- we still had to trap Nabriales and Igeyorhm in auracite and blast them with a ton of aether to kill them

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


thetoughestbean posted:

because it just isn’t explaining itself at all and it’s kind of frustrating

Congratulations, you have now played a Nier game

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


those don't look similar at all

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


The "Elidibus is a child" theory doesn't really convince me for one reason: why would a sitting member of the council of leadership for their society be a child? I think people are just reading too much into that he appeared small at the end. He never acts childish -- his black and white worldview is a result of him being a primal, not a kid

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


Mulva posted:

He constantly acts childishly, his PoV is always smaller and lower than the Ascians in his flashbacks, he very clearly is played more vulnerable in the very end, and every single Ascian is a FFXII reference. In this case Zodiark is kept as a child to limit his power, and in this his heart is Elidibus, a child. And there's the whole "Went out of his way to save a child in over his head from the 13th". There's a lot of references that imply that yeah, he was probably a child. The degree to which that matters ten thousand years later and after being a Primal is up for grabs, but odds are we murdered a 10 year old.

Ok but none of this explains why a child would be in a position of leadership

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


hobbesmaster posted:

You don’t get it. The child no longer exists - he was used to create the primal. Elidibus is zodiark’s messenger. The child died 10,000 or whatever years ago.

I know that but he was still at one point a child on the Convocation

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


cheetah7071 posted:

Zenos seems to have a deeper connection to his Ancient pre-self than most sundered souls do, what with regular dreams of the starshower. I suspect that's why he has a larger percentage of what Ascians can do than the average person with the echo.

Well he is an immediate descendant of an Ascian though who knows how much of a difference that makes

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


Wait, if Elidibus was a primal, why didn't he just temper everyone. Could've tempered all the Scions and the Exarch etc

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


BisbyWorl posted:

Third story has gone up. This one focusing on Emet and Elidibus.

drat, I was 100% wrong casting doubt on the "Elidibus was a kid" theory. hosed up

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


thetoughestbean posted:

Emet Selch going “but how could Azem get the concept of Ifrita— ugh, Hythlodaeus” is great

Was Hythlodaeus the Architect? I thought that was ES

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


Waffleman_ posted:

Wait I thought all souls were sundered souls of the Ancients.

No, most are the new (and if you're asking an Ascian, inferior) life forms that were created after Zodiark re-seeded the planet following the end of the cataclysm.

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


I do wish there had been more interaction between Ascians and dragons, mainly Midgardsormr. I imagine he can empathize with their grief for their lost world given his was blown up by Omega (right?). And since he's also an immortal superbeing.

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


Vermain posted:

The far more likely scenario is that she simply burns herself out completely helping you fight off Zenodiark. It'd put a nice, neat bow onto the whole storyline.

Yeah this is the most likely scenario. We get saved by her in a big climactic moment like with Ardbert vs Emet at the end of 5.0

erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


Do we even really know what the Blessing of Light is?

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erenoyo
Jun 30, 2019


I believe it is Hythlodaeus that says that the Hydylaen summoners objected to sacrificing the new life to revive the Amaurotians and summoned her to stop it

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