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whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010

SHINee's back

.Z. posted:

Yeah, in fact they had already started moving out of the dorm when the whole thing took off.

Edit: https://www.allkpop.com/article/2021/03/yujeong-reveals-that-brave-girls-were-thinking-about-disbanding-shortly-before-rollin-went-viral

The...dorm? Jesus christ being a member of an idol group that isn't making it sounds depressing as hell.

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




Thatís just one of those Kpop terms. It basically means company provided apartment but of course they vary in quality of life. Youíre not wrong about the end bit though. A lot of groups go nowhere and the members end up in their mid to late twenties with no real path forward career wise among other social issues.


Iíve spent the past few weeks getting really into Loona so I might do an effort post going through their massive discography for recommendations and such if anyone is interested.

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 19, 2021

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





Sure. I would like to see why I should Stan Loona

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.








So Loona is first off different than any other group except maybe NCT. Both in concept and musically. They have nearly 100 songs in just a few years. They have 35 music videos total including 29 solo and sub unit music videos. They filmed these all over the world to fit the concept and lore stuff which I won't go into much but in short everything plays into their story from the music to the visuals but it's mostly background stuff you can completely ignore and still enjoy the group 100%. Their cinematography is really something else too, especially their full group mvs.

The music varies from big band jazz pop to future bass r&b and everything in between, but the key thing going on musically is that they play with expectations a lot and really change things up in clever ways with the song writing that adds a layer to everything and differentiates their sound from others, no matter what genre they're doing. Harmonically, they play with interesting chords and give almost every song a dreamy like or haunting sound in at least one section. It's really smart stuff underneath pretty approachable pop which is what hooked me. They were also a few years ahead of a lot of musical trends in the industry. It's also worth noting that their latest two EPs were produced by Lee Soo-man, the first time he's worked with a non SM artist.


Solo tracks/members:

These are all really worth listening to if only to get a taste of how vast their sound is and they're all solid tracks, but I'll bold the ones that are my favorites. It's also good to watch them all to see just how talented every member is all around. They don't have official roles other than Haseul being the leader, even though some might stick out as better dancers or vocalists, they're all around a very holistic approach to a big group. Their choreo is also entirely unique, mixing intricate formations and movements with almost a marching band precision, especially with their full group songs.




Heejin - Vivid

funky sax pop with that dreamy sound I mentioned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FCYE87P5L0




Hyunjin - Around You

somber downtempo song that gives me IU vibes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mybsDDymrsc





Haseul - Let Me In

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4BWpBJppI

haunting ballad with an orchestral score - also shot in Iceland and it's just beautiful. Haseul is also a classically trained opera singer, and it's worth checking out some of her vocal compliations





Yeojin - Kiss Later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thpTOAS1Vgg

Jazz pop that sounds right out of Mario Odyssey or Katamari Damacy. Yeojin was just 14 when this came out and it's appropriately adorable




Vivi - Everyday I Love You (ft Haseul)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNcBZM5SvbY

Big 90s indie pop sound and style



Kim Lip - Eclipse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJEoSa3Ie0

90s R&B that sounds so thick and good and the start of a more mature and sexy sound for the next few girls. Yes, it's shot in that same venue as every other video lol




Jinsoul - Singing in the Rain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWeyOyY_puQ

future bass and jungle beat. this is my favorite solo song. Jinsoul also turned out to be a powerhouse vocal and I love her voice.



(there's a lot of not so subtle religious allegory in Loona stuff lol)

Choerry - Love Cherry Motion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBbeuXW8Nko

This is probably the best solo song to exemplify Loona's sound. Straight bubblegum pop until it's 100% NOT, but it works so well for the song. Seriously a great beat switch. It's like YG's style done with more logic behind it musically.



Yves - New

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIDe-yTxda0

2000s club sound with a great driving beat. Reminds me of the Drive soundtrack.





Chuu - Heart Attack.

By far the most popular solo and one of their most popular songs. Hard rhythm and heavy synth under Chuu singing the hell out of it. Chuu is the other surprise power vocal and has just an insane amount of charisma and energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVVfMFS3mgc



Gowon - One&Only
Synthpop but with a cool chromatic vibe that gives it that Loona sound



Olivia Hye ft Jinsoul- Egoist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkY8HvgvBJ8

Dream pop sound that is the best preview of what Loona as a whole would be leaning towards


Subunits
I'll just list my favorite song from each but again, all worth listening to




1/3 - Love&Live
pure retro bubblegum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K4b9Z9lSwc





Odd Eye Circle - Sweet Crazy Love
Another track that is a good mix of the Loona sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG7FkoNKBzI



YYXY ft Grimes - love4eva
8 bit vibes but with great vocal performances that really make it work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIWpr3tHzII

Group MVs


Now we're really in it. Watch all of these if only to appreciate the production value of everything.




favOriTe
This combines all of the synth and r&b sounds into what I consider the signature Loona sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFJPFfnzZ7w




Hi High
Technically favorite came out a few days before, but this is really their group debut. The hyper synth bubblegum sound here is really catchy but this song is about the vocals. Chuu's moment in the bridge is definitely iconic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846cjX0ZTrk





Butterfly
This was their breakout song from what I can tell. Absolutely beautiful video/choreo/song and it would be my favorite if not for the next one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEOCbFJjRw0




So What
My favorite Loona track because it's so aggressive and confident. They kill the live stages of it too, the dance is just so satisfying. Jinsoul really gets to flex her vocals in this one despite most of the song being gang vocals and more rhythmically based like Itzy songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEo5bmUKFvI




Why Not
definitely a part 2 to So What, musically and visually. The next video teaser seems to imply a trilogy which I'm 100% down for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6li05zh3Kg




Star
Their big western breakout hit. It's still in the US top 40 for over a month straight, and they're only the second girlgroup to chart there (and first to do it with without a western artist feature - BP w/ Selena Gomez). I heard this song playing in Walmart of all places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW-AIXAnLcE


So yeah, they've quickly become one of my favorite GGs because of their talent and originality. If you only want to check out a few songs I'd say go with Heart Attack, Butterfly, and So What. That will give you a good taste of what they have to offer.`

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


quote:

It's also worth noting that their latest two EPs were produced by Lee Soo-man, the first time he's worked with a non SM artist.


The access you can get when your agency is two steps away from an arms company (Blockberry creative is a subsidiary of Polaris Ent, which is a subsidiary of Ilkwang group who mainly deal in arms for those who don't know)

Also Loona were once supposed to release a ballad album but the producer had a tantrum and deleted it all, which is still a shame imo. I'm sure it's more complicated than that but that's my memory of it.

Itzy released their Midzy fan song. Not really notable because it's thematically the same as every other fan song, but I was impressed that they got 50 different language subtitles done for it. Hopefully JYP paid for them and didn't contact random fans to do them for free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho_SmopuDlQ

MIDWIFE CRISIS
Nov 5, 2008

Ta gueule, laisse-moi finir.

That reminds me of this good NYT article about fan translation accounts. Iíd never really considered the stress they have to deal with.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/04/arts/music/bts-kpop-translators.html

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


Fan translation accounts do so much work, I follow the twice translator misayeon on twitter and last year it seemed like she translated significantly more stuff than what I had to translate as part of my translation degree. Because she's also primarily a Mina fan with 400,000 followers, she also got bombarded with comments from some other twice stans saying she should be focusing on all members and not favouring Mina which was the most insanely stupid criticism to see and did make me wonder why anybody would bother doing it once that happens.

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMg8-Ku3JI

I hate it.

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


lmao made it 4 seconds before the uncanny valley kicked in

edit: the song is just awful too. the whole thing feels like it should be a weird art piece critiquing kpop.

Thom and the Heads fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Mar 22, 2021

MIDWIFE CRISIS
Nov 5, 2008

Ta gueule, laisse-moi finir.

It looks like their facial features donít always line up correctly with their head movements which is unsettling as hell

Suddenly it feels like a good idea that aespaís weird avatars are just cgi bratz dolls and not meant to look realistic.

E. Bottom Liner, I really enjoyed that write-up on Loona!

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


Apparently they're planning a fan meet and this is just a sub-unit as well, and some people in the comments seem to be into it? I understand people liking virtual groups or idols or whatever but this one I don't really understand because to me every frame of the video looked horrible and the song is probably one of the worst I've ever heard. I'd be interested to see how they improve the tech over time though

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





Scylo posted:

Apparently they're planning a fan meet and this is just a sub-unit as well, and some people in the comments seem to be into it?

So there are more members? That's a bit unsettling.

Thank you for the LOONA writeup.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.





Itís really amazing in all the wrong ways!

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


I found this article that has some more info I didn't know

https://biaswrecker.com/new-girl-group-with-ai-members-to-debut-this-march/

quote:

All the membersí faces were chosen through ďAI.DOL CHALLENGEĒ, which pitted hundreds of synthesized idols together in a vote earlier this year.

Alongside their activities as a virtual group, the Eternity members will also form unit groups and release solo songs according to Pulse9. On top of that, the company will use Eternity as YouTubers, influencers, and brand models. One of the virtual members, Chorong, has already appeared in an advertisement for brokerage company Shinhan Investment Corp.

So I guess they are actually very serious about this project.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005

[ASK] me about OS/2 WARP




MIDWIFE CRISIS posted:

Donít be shy, drop the mixes



thanks for the welcome!

http://www.kc4ylv.online/jonny-290-UWS-mix-2020-kpop-only.mp3 from august 7 last year

Spoilering the tracklist if you want to go in blind


red velvet - really bad boy
clc - Me
everglow - bon bon chocolat
a-jax - insane
everglow - adios
exid - ddd
itzy - wannabe
momoland - thumbs up
blackpink - boombayah
blackpink - kill this love


Obviously entry level stuff, this is when i was getting interested and just trawling the big hits to get my bearings. I bricked a couple of mixes but no trainwrecks, and i did get some pretty good transitions in there.

will work on a fresh one with stuff that's dropped in the last 6mo that im into!

Jonny 290 fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Mar 25, 2021

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


This song is more western pop sounding than kpop but I kind of like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAKSKi_KbcQ#t=28s

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




She basically self made that whole thing with the help of some friends, from what I read Cube didnít even record or produce it. Itís a smart move for her though. Sheís been building her own brand for a while now and getting big on tik tok and stuff and a western song will only help, just like Rosť. CLC has so much talent that has been mostly wasted by Cube with how lazily they were promoted after Idle blew up.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back







btw A++ LOONA dump. I've been meaning to get more into them and I'll likely end up using this post first when I dive in!

This (and the Brave Girls blow up) also reminds me I've been meaning to do a big effort post about EXID one of these days. Thinking about doing one for Oh My Girl, as well. If anybody is interested lmk! I have a ton of people I want to effort post about in general, but they'll likely be the first ones.

Also whew lad that digital group is definitely a thing. But between Vocaloids and Vtubers, it was only a matter of time before someone finally tried it. I think the uncanny valleyness of it all is the worst part. Like, the song is also not good, but at least if the idols were more cartoonish or stylized it would be less lowkey terrifying.

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007





Wendy solo mini album.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Doggles posted:



Wendy solo mini album.



Ayyy was just coming to post this!

Sounds like 5 songs, and April 5th.

Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUgllud6o0U

MIDWIFE CRISIS
Nov 5, 2008

Ta gueule, laisse-moi finir.

Jonny 290 posted:

thanks for the welcome!

http://www.kc4ylv.online/jonny-290-UWS-mix-2020.mp3 from august 7 last year

Spoilering the tracklist if you want to go in blind


red velvet - really bad boy
clc - Me
everglow - bon bon chocolat
a-jax - insane
everglow - adios
exid - ddd
itzy - wannabe
momoland - thumbs up
blackpink - boombayah
blackpink - kill this love


Obviously entry level stuff, this is when i was getting interested and just trawling the big hits to get my bearings. I bricked a couple of mixes but no trainwrecks, and i did get some pretty good transitions in there.

will work on a fresh one with stuff that's dropped in the last 6mo that im into!

I canít open this link

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bnOxV4jAc

I think I love this song

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008






Scylo posted:

I think I love this song

Schpyder
Jun 13, 2002

Attackle Grackle




Oh hell yes.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




Lilac Troll Celebrity and Flu are all bangers

My Sea and Epilogue are both great ballads and holy poo poo she kills it

5/5 album for sure

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





https://twitter.com/ubt_yukika/status/1375100162595557379?s=21

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Whew Lilac is a pure rear end bop, and that video

Excited to listen to the rest of the album later.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005

[ASK] me about OS/2 WARP




MIDWIFE CRISIS posted:

I canít open this link

Jesus and I work for a CDN and everything. Pasted the wrong url.

http://www.kc4ylv.online/jonny-290-UWS-mix-2020-kpop-only.mp3 thanks for calling it out! Verified it works now.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




This is easily one of the best 80s tracks so far


Jackson Wang - LMLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIMihDOXMpY

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






not sure how this is gna turn out, but considering in the trailer alone has Taemin, Yenny, BoA, Yunho, Joon Park and Seungyeon from KARA i'm definitely going to be watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVFPzA0cWGM
from the description: appearances from SuperM, H.O.T., BoA, SUPER JUNIOR, KARA, Ha:tfelt (Wonder Girls), Kang Daniel, Sandara Park (2NE1), Red Velvet, EXO, NCT, (G)I-DLE, and PENTAGON

Bottom Liner posted:

This is easily one of the best 80s tracks so far

Jackson Wang - LMLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIMihDOXMpY

This is a bop, and the video is very much in that same Hong Kong cinema vibe of Pretty Please, which I really loved. Bless.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





I like that head bop move. It's so simple yet looks so cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86BST8NIpNM

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Speaking of IU, she's promoting on music shows for the first time in like four years

The pandemic must be hard for a concert queen like her lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yiF99SzKns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qio1G8GwKA4

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


I hope she does an online concert some time this year, otherwise I imagine it's going to be minimum 2-3 years before she does any sort of international tour again

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


IF I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, I'M PROBABLY WRONG, SO PLEASE REPORT ME SO I CAN BE PROBATED. AGAIN.




Wheeinís solo release is next month! This and Wendy in the same month is just too much.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Bottom Liner posted:

Wheein’s solo release is next month! This and Wendy in the same month is just too much.

Yee yee! If I remember right, Byul mentioned something on her radio show about how it'll be Wheein, another group CB, and then more solo stuff for her, Solar and Hwasa.

e: sounds like Wheein will promote on music shows this time, too. seems like it's shaping up to be a dance track

I want Wheein to pop the gently caress offfffff

esperterra fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Mar 26, 2021

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





The song is said to be different from easy and goodbye which is interesting. Iím hoping we are given more than one song for this release.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


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Iíll say it: even in a group as stacked as MMM sheís the best vocals AND dancer

Sheís not as flashy as solars vocals but her control is insane and I think she has one of the best tones in the industry.


Dreamcatcher had their acoustic set of their online concert today and it was great. Excited for the full band set tomorrow.

blossommirage
Nov 7, 2012



Bottom Liner posted:

Dreamcatcher had their acoustic set of their online concert today and it was great. Excited for the full band set tomorrow.

Same! Everything they did for Handong was really sweet, it made me tear up. The arrangements they did for Scream and Black or White were absolutely incredible, I hope they get put on an album or something in the future.

I'm still pretty new to K-Pop, Dreamcatcher just grabbed my heart and pulled me in super hard. This was the first time I ever spent money on anything relating to it, but I don't regret it one bit. Day one alone was worth the forty dollars.

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008






Bottom Liner posted:

Iíll say it: even in a group as stacked as MMM sheís the best vocals AND dancer

Sheís not as flashy as solars vocals but her control is insane and I think she has one of the best tones in the industry.

Dolphin Wheein!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0IIlZwq5S0

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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Bottom Liner posted:

I’ll say it: even in a group as stacked as MMM she’s the best vocals AND dancer

this is like the most common MMM opinion tbf lmao

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