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TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





Dreamcatcher "BOCA" (zombie edition)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAu...eature=youtu.be

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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Everyday Goast posted:

Hello I can't stop listening to Taemin's new track Criminal

I stopped listening to kpop seriously around 2013 and then really lost it in 2017 (was a big SHINee fan) but BTS have pulled me back and I'm loving the current hip-hop focus/all the girl groups. also Criminal

I'm thinking about pre-ordering the new BTS album but it's $100 here and that seems excessive even by kpop fan standards.

If you haven't listened to the rest of Taemin's solo stuff already, you are in for such a drat treat and I am jelly. I would also recommend the SuperM mini and the full album they just dropped, personally I think it leans into more of an EXO and NCT sound than SHINee, but it's a mix of all three and some of the only boy band stuff since SHINee for me, at least, that I've really gotten into.

Good timing to start paying attention to kpop atm if you're a SHINee fan. Onew and Key finished their military service this year, Minho is out next month and we have about a year? before Taemin has to enlist. I fully expect SM to squeeze at least one comeback out before Taemin goes off to duty. It'll never be the same without Jonghyun, but I'm really looking forward to seeing the boys all together again.

100bux does seem like a lot for an album from one of the few groups that actually sells their albums in the west. Is it a bundle at least or smth?

Everyday Goast
Nov 27, 2011

spoopy



Yeah! I follow Key on instagram (lol) so I saw he recently discharged. Now I just gott wait for a BigBang comeback and 2012 me will be GOOD TO GO.

The album comes with bunch of stuff (photocards, posters, booklets etc) but they haven't even released the concept or design stuff yet!

Admiral Goodenough
Nov 5, 2008

Ta gueule, laisse-moi finir.

I know this isn't a j-pop thread, but I couldn't find one. I can't believe it's taken me this long to come across Perfume. I love that type of extremely processed upbeat electronic pop, but I feel like k-pop has moved on from that pretty much. I have never really gotten into j-pop the way I did with k-pop, so this feels like a gateway into a new obsession lmao

Their recent single Time Warp is really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M4EwGf-lH0

vvv I love that!

Admiral Goodenough fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Oct 22, 2020

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


This Twice teaser sounds pretty promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn6b7585es

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


Admiral Goodenough posted:

Their recent single Time Warp is really good.

I enjoyed this!

Scylo posted:

This Twice teaser sounds pretty promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn6b7585es

God I'm so excited!

There's some drama surrounding Irene from RV going around - sounds like she was verbally abusive to a photo editor. She and SM have put out apologies. The post that made the allegations was 'liked' by a bunch of people that have worked with RV in the past so people are speculating that this isn't an isolated occurrence. Apparently it's all over social media in SK.

https://www.allkpop.com/article/202...otoshoot-editor
https://www.allkpop.com/article/202...ged-to-be-irene

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008



Scylo posted:

This Twice teaser sounds pretty promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn6b7585es

Oh I like this a lot.

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


Thom and the Heads posted:


There's some drama surrounding Irene from RV going around - sounds like she was verbally abusive to a photo editor. She and SM have put out apologies. The post that made the allegations was 'liked' by a bunch of people that have worked with RV in the past so people are speculating that this isn't an isolated occurrence. Apparently it's all over social media in SK.

https://www.allkpop.com/article/202...otoshoot-editor
https://www.allkpop.com/article/202...ged-to-be-irene

It always sucks when people turn out to actually be assholes, hopefully she can be a better person from now on but from the sounds of it she may have been behaving this way for a while. Also, one of twice's makeup artists had some ill-timed comments put out today about how they've been very kind over the last 5 years so now people are mad about the timing of that lol

Scylo fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Oct 22, 2020

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



Thom and the Heads posted:

I enjoyed this!


God I'm so excited!

There's some drama surrounding Irene from RV going around - sounds like she was verbally abusive to a photo editor. She and SM have put out apologies. The post that made the allegations was 'liked' by a bunch of people that have worked with RV in the past so people are speculating that this isn't an isolated occurrence. Apparently it's all over social media in SK.

https://www.allkpop.com/article/202...otoshoot-editor
https://www.allkpop.com/article/202...ged-to-be-irene

suddenly monster and psycho make a lot more sense lol

Scylo posted:

This Twice teaser sounds pretty promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn6b7585es

Very excited for this as it sounds so much better than their more&more comeback ep.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Man all the crazy twitter stans out here defending Irene when she and SM have already admitted she did wrong and had her apologize. smdh

Hopefully she learns and grows the gently caress up from this. Tho honestly with how seriously the Korean GP takes bullying, and it not being an isolated incident, this could be very bad for RV's upcoming comeback should she be involved in it.

Soompi article on the apologies b/c I don't want to give AKP or Koreaboo any clicks:

https://www.soompi.com/article/1433...ut-her-behavior

It's not like she's some young foolish kid idol, either. Irene's a grown rear end woman and should know better than to treat staff like poo poo.

e: on a lighter note, considering RV debuted earlier than intended when SM was in the midst of scandal will lol hard if SM's new GG suddenly debuts should this Irene stuff hinder any of RV's upcoming plans

e2: seems to be a decent number of people who have worked as RV staff in the past defending her/sharing their good experiences with her as well, so at least it isn't her being a bitch to everyone all the time i guess

still tho smdh

esperterra fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Oct 22, 2020

Paperback Writer
May 1, 2006



e: yeah nevermind this was really just an excuse to post this haha. Still love how much fun Joy and Seulgi are in this lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRJFvFOcSsA

Paperback Writer fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 22, 2020

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Plenty of idols are super reserved or have RBF tbf, not worth judging a person's personality based on that.

But this kind of behaviour coming out does make her Ice Princess nickname feel like way less of the joke it was when Jessica had the same nickname back in the day, for sure.

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



This is worse than the time Wendy kept doing AAVE

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






It's RV's first real scandal tbh

e: wendy's aave as well but this is the first scandal to hit both intl and korean fans i mean

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


As the Irene situation has developed further I have no idea how it's going to shape out. They're talking about delaying the premiere of Irene's new film. And it sounds like it was only SM staff that apologised at first, Irene was only forced to apologise when SM found out there was a recording. There's a lot of people defending her but most of them still seem to work for SM so it's hard to see that as anything other than a PR exercise, especially when it would be difficult for other people to say anything bad without the risk of legal action being taken against them. A Chinese stylist that seems to have worked with a lot of celebrities also spoke out against her

you'd think the AOA situation would have made people realise the impact verbal abuse can actually have on someone

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





What’s RBF and AAVE?

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


resting bitch face
african american vernacular english

e: wouldn't be surprised if RV's comeback gets delayed. From what I can gather, South Koreans have a particular distaste for workplace bullying especially in light of the 2014 Korean Air "nut rage" incident.

Thom and the Heads fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Oct 23, 2020

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



TV Zombie posted:

What’s RBF and AAVE?

African American Vernacular English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35PSq0g-XEk

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





I wonder if RV can try to to comeback without Irene for the moment if they haven't recorded any tracks yet. If not, now would be a good time for the members to pursue solo projects.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






RV has pulled out of a fan meeting they were supposed to be part of, and yeah I'd imagine any planned comeback for this year is being delayed.

This situation's hard as hell to read b/c there's a ton of false information going around both for and against her. And I personally do not trust almost anything posted to koreaboo or allkpop, they cherry pick translations and spread misinformation all the time. I can read Korean okay but not well enough to schlep my rear end over to Naver and get a proper feel of what's going on.

From what I can tell: Irene's 20 minute flip out was clearly true considering how fast Irene and SM both apologized online, and Irene going to apologize to the editor in person. There were some other industry people in comments vagueposting about how Irene has had a bad attitude in the past. But a huge majority of the people who are being cited as proof she's done this a lot in the past were simply people liking an instagram post and the internet jumping to conclusions.

The two biggest claims against Irene I could find last night are the one that started this all, and another from a Chinese stylist who posted on her Weibo account about an encounter in 2018. Far more industry people are coming forward to defend her character than coming forward with stories of her abuse.

Any talk about her movie being delayed because of this scandal was a rumour, and the person claiming to be a staff member abused by her on set was proven to be fake from what I can tell. This movie was already in talks for being delayed over Covid-19 and the production company went out of their way to clear up that misunderstanding.

From where I'm standing her behaviour looks to be not as common as was originally believed when this story first broke and the internet ran wild with it, but she DID go off on that editor for 20 minutes and make her cry, and has definitely been a dick to some staffs in the past. Hopefully this means it isn't an every day occurance for her and she'll be able to grow and learn from it way more easily than if she was a raging diva 24/7. Either way the ground her career stands on seems p shaky atm, depending on how this all pans out in the next few days.

The other members seem to be mostly safe from it. I think Yeri has had a few things said about her own 'ungrateful' attitude, but I'm unsure how much of that is actual instances from the past or people just assuming since she and Irene are so close, and Yeri is already kind of unpopular with people just due to having joined the group late. Seulgi is also incredibly close to Irene but is already very well known for being a good person, so she's been p safe along with Wendy who also has a reputation for being very nice. Joy seems to have been left mostly out of the conversation thankfully.

RV will definitely come back from this, it's just a matter of when and whether or not Irene will be a part of that, and if she does stay a member of the group whether or not they put her on a longer hiatus and have an OT4 comeback before she can perform with them again.

It's a tough thing to try and make any call on b/c there are idols and celebs whose careers have survived scandals like this before, but uh, it's mostly men who seem to be able to slide through that poo poo. Female idols have had careers ended over less. It also doesn't help that Irene is one of the most famous faces in Korea period, so this news is very loving big over there.

e: also from what i can tell only one of the people defending Irene is an actual SM employee (at least from where I left off last night), one of their backup dancers who has been with them from the beginning. The other industry people coming forward certainly have worked with SM and their artists but aren't actual employees iirc

e2: also worth mentioning that even if they do come back without Irene, it'll be a p rocky road for RV in terms of how successful any OT4 comeback ends up being. Irene is far and away the most popular member and her Chinese fanclub alone is a huge part of their sales numbers

e3: https://www.soompi.com/article/1433...d-velvets-irene more info from the editor on what originally happened

esperterra fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Oct 23, 2020

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Anyway in lighter news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaOycDHqIvc

e: https://twitter.com/chaelinCL/statu...8748616706?s=20

esperterra fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Oct 24, 2020

Everyday Goast
Nov 27, 2011

spoopy



Man James Cordon is really riding the k-pop train huh?

I found out last night that SuperJunior did a cover of "I Only Want to Be With You"...in Spanish...with a 70's themed music video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNcgx832uMM

Also, have y'all seen this youtube channel? He does amazing dance covers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koqPOkmQFlA

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






CL performed on Corden forev ago with Lifted, iirc

Everyday Goast
Nov 27, 2011

spoopy



Yeah, i guess i'm still stuck in the mindset of everyone being like "what is...k-pop" not "k-pop is a thing that gets played on American tv"

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


From this highlight medley it seems like no other tracks sound like no. 12 that they already performed, which is a little disappointing because I really like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZjiZZVL5eY

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






The SM way: debut a new girl group during a scandal!

tbf they had already been rumoured to debut in November, but they've also been rumoured to debut for the past long rear end time so who knows if they were actually meant to or SM is pushing it forward a bit earlier than intended lmao

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





SM could use a distraction from Irene at the moment. Hope the new group has some good songs.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






TV Zombie posted:

SM could use a distraction from Irene at the moment. Hope the new group has some good songs.

It's strangely fitting. Red Velvet's debut happened early due to the scandal over the Chinese EXO members suing to get out of their contracts. It's very full circle lmao

e: it's looking like SM has been leaving their usual breadcrumbs in other group's MVs this year, so aespa was probably meant to debut for the end of the year anyway.

good timing tho lol

esperterra fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Oct 26, 2020

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZzVg8D_xR0

Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


I love this, also they got Momo to rap again instead of sing finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM4CkVFmTds

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Scylo posted:

I love this, also they got Momo to rap again instead of sing finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM4CkVFmTds

This fuckin slaps

Choreo looks fun af too

bovis
Jan 30, 2007






Goddamn that Twice song is so good. The member switch ups for the chorus are great, Jeongyeon on the last chorus so good 😍

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008



This new TXT album makes me so drat happy, some of these songs sound like they found my teenage years' iPod and decided that was their inspiration. Another no-skip album from them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6twVUC-wMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAhQbSuBrr0

Scylo posted:

I love this, also they got Momo to rap again instead of sing finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM4CkVFmTds

This is also loving fantastic.

Vastakaiun fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Oct 26, 2020

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


IT FUCKIN SLAPS

bovis
Jan 30, 2007






Looking forward to listening to the rest of the album tomorrow. So many new songs!

That track indeed slaps so hard.

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


First impressions of Eyes Wide Open:

I Can't Stop Me is one of the best title tracks in their discography imo. Early standouts among the b-sides: Do What We Like, Handle It, Shot Clock, Depend On You, Say Something, Behind The Mask. A few underwhelming tracks around the middle but the tracklist ends super strong. Love it - gonna be on repeat all day.

They'll be on Studio Choom for the first time soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35wcLcVucW8

Thom and the Heads fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Oct 26, 2020

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007



Thom and the Heads posted:

They'll be on Studio Choom for the first time soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35wcLcVucW8



My 1080 resolution TV from 2007 finally conked out a couple of months ago. I upgraded to a 4K TV and Studio Choom has been an amazing showcases of its abilities. K-pop in general has been putting out the best 4K content this past year.

Searching for "k-choreo" on Youtube is a pro move. With the pandemic going on all these k-pop groups are still performing on stage shows, and because there's no audience, the studios are setting up UHD cameras front row center to replicate the experience of being there. A few are even recorded in HDR like Not Shy and Monster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sBYToJ_WUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUQFzB7eeY

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



Scylo posted:

I love this, also they got Momo to rap again instead of sing finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM4CkVFmTds

lmao its literally just Dua Lipa - Physical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HDEHj2yzew

like straight up

Paperback Writer
May 1, 2006



cool video but pretty weak song

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Scylo
Aug 5, 2009


The REAL Goobusters posted:

lmao its literally just Dua Lipa - Physical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HDEHj2yzew

like straight up

I don't really think they sound alike at all but dua lipa has a credit on one of the tracks on the album anyway so its possible they were aiming to make something in a similar style

Scylo fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Oct 26, 2020

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