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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






hi hello I am placeholding this OP I guess with my post from the pop thread, since it's a quick n dirty summary already:

esperterra posted:

The quickest primer on kpop history is that popular Korean music was mostly trot and ballads until artists like Seo Taiji and the Boys and JYP showed up in the 90s with sounds inspired by American hip hop and pop music. From there you see the first generation of kpop as we know it today starting and really blowing up with the formations of SM Ent, JYP Ent and YG Ent. Lee Soo Man of SM in particular was the one who took a lesson from Motown and implemented the idol trainee system that basically every company uses to this day for its groups and soloists; as well as a rise in bringing over Western songwriters and producers to work on tracks. Then you get artists like BoA expanding Korean pop music into Japan and the rest of Asia (and even a brief stint in the US for BoA, though actively promoting her in three different countries at once was a bit much and they backed off on it pretty quickly to focus on Korea and Japan when she didn't blow up immediately) for the first time and opening up doors for everyone who followed her.

SM in general has kind of always been at the forefront of everything, though the Big Three (SM, JYP, YG) are all super influential. Both boy groups and girl groups as we know them today probably wouldn't exist if not for groups like Super Junior and Girls' Generation more or less setting and perfecting the mold for what to expect, though they weren't the first popular boy or girl groups in the industry.

Influential groups and soloists:

not rly idols:
Seo Taiji & the Boys
JYP

some big 1st gen names who inspired 2nd gen:
g.o.d.
H.O.T.
Fin.K.L
Rain
BoA (a queen who transcends generations and is still going 20 years strong)
Lee Hyori
Park Ji Yoon
Sechs Kies
Shinhwa
Chakra

some bigass 2nd gen names who inspired the 3rd gen:
Brown Eyed Girls (very unique for its time and still to this day. the group isn't really a product of a company in the way most idols are, they were brought together by the leader JeA herself and were all grown rear end women when they debuted other than Gain, who at 19 was still on the older side for typical debut in a group. BEG have also been heavily involved in their own songwriting and production from the beginning. BEG owns. They are also still kicking today and return for comebacks whenever they have the inspiration and time)
Super Junior
Girls' Generation
Shinee
TVXQ
f(x)
Wonder Girls
Big Bang
2NE1
4minute
KARA
Sistar
AOA
Lee Hi

Most of those groups have members who have had or still have very successful solo careers as well, either during their groups' heydey or after. Your Taeyeons and Taemins and Sunmis and HyunAs and GDragons and Park Boms and so on.

Then 3rd gen is your BTSes, your Twices, your Blackpinks. 1st and 2nd gen are really the ones you want to focus on if you're curious about the history of kpop itself and who laid the groundwork for what makes a kpop group today. Or even for who really kicked off expansion into the US. If it weren't for people like BoA, Rain, Wonder Girls, 2NE1, Psy/etc you wouldn't see groups like BTS or Blackpink having quite the success they do now in America. Though Blackpink is such a bizarre phenomenon for a group that in their four years have mostly focused on modeling/CFs and only have like 14 songs to their name rn and prob woulda found a way to blow up anyway.

There's a lot of debate around whether or not the 4th gen has started yet, a lot of people would argue it has. But there isn't really a clear difference in sound or any real big shift in general, so people are always arguing about when it started if it has. I don't care enough to rly look into it b/c I'm an old who mostly listens to 1st and 2nd gen music and the stuff coming from the people who debuted back then and are still going today.

Worth noting that kpop as an industry isn't the same as American pop music w/r/t domestic reach. The idol side of popular Korean music (which most people use kpop to refer to) is pretty niche in the grand scheme of the Korean music industry overall, and had its most popular days with the general public during the rise and prime of the 2nd gen imo. Getting into what is and isn't different about just general pop music in Korea and idol pop music is a pain in the rear end but for example, IU wouldn't be considered an idol these days and is more just an incredibly well respected singer-songwriter (and a drat good actress these days, too). But she was definitely an idol at debut.

thx for coming to my ted talk

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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






idk prob gna use this for either debuts or influential songs from well known 1st/2nd/3rd gen artists or smth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gRq1cuz7rk

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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrsBjYukE8s

JYP just released a duet with Sunmi and it owns thx

bovis
Jan 30, 2007






esperterra posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrsBjYukE8s

JYP just released a duet with Sunmi and it owns thx

Yeah this is pure cheese but it's so good. I love how JYP can just roll with it and make a bit of a fool of himself. Song slaps and Sunmi is as great as ever

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





I was reading through and was wondering where IU fit. Did she come out with the 2nd gens?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






bovis posted:

Yeah this is pure cheese but it's so good. I love how JYP can just roll with it and make a bit of a fool of himself. Song slaps and Sunmi is as great as ever

JYP never disappoints, especially when he leans into just embracing the fact that he's more or less a walking meme at this point. Sometimes I feel like modern kpop takes itself too seriously too often, then JYP has a comeback and all is well with the world.

I really love the emphasis on this being a duet and not a featuring, too.


TV Zombie posted:

I was reading through and was wondering where IU fit. Did she come out with the 2nd gens?

IU debuted in I think '07 or '08, so 2nd gen.

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

bear-headed geese




Finally, a thread to share the most important bop of 2020 so far.

bovis
Jan 30, 2007






This is my favourite track and video of the year so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujb-gvqsoi0

The other song they released a couple of weeks later was also great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCWoUUWwdqg

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


I wish more of Blackpink's songs sounded like As If It's Your Last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amq-qlqbjYA


I like big, bright catchy hooks and the rest of the stuff I've heard from them doesn't do much for me.

Thom and the Heads fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Aug 13, 2020

bovis
Jan 30, 2007






Yeah I'm with you, definitely my favourite song of theirs! Their new track coming out soon is gonna be a collaboration with Selena Gomez, hoping it's a bit more bright and fun in some way.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






bovis posted:

This is my favourite track and video of the year so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujb-gvqsoi0

The other song they released a couple of weeks later was also great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCWoUUWwdqg

That whole mini album is so drat good.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





This also came out this year and was part of rather ambitious effort from the artist. It's a bit slower that other kpop songs out this year but I think that was the intention. The piano in the beginning is lovely, in my opinion and she gets to flex her vocals a bit in this which I like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkjEpDeDLOg

TV Zombie fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Aug 13, 2020

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Maria is an A+++ mini album

And I am incredibly triggered your link is not embedded

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





I would if I knew/remembered how.

Given that the year is almost over, what have been your standout or favorite album,songs, singer/group so far, everyone?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Without thinking too hard about it, all of HA:TFELT's 1719 is a masterpiece. Yubin's ME TIME, Sunmi's Pporappippam, and heckin Stay Tonight goddamn Chungha served so hard on that-- Play is great too though not as. Oh, and DESSERT. We all deserve it. Though I prefer Hyoyeon's song TURL she did with Cheetah for Good Girl of the stuff she's released this year, if we're including songs that aren't official comebacks. And if I include Good Girl then I Am Lee Young Ji would be very close to the top of any list I'd attempt to rank.

I should look at an actual list of all of this year's comebacks and sort out what's what, but those would be at my top either way. Then probably Solar, Hwasa and I&S close behind. Taeyeon, too; Happy kinda slipped under the radar but is a very good song. Minzy finally had a comeback and it was amazing, though I wonder if people were expecting a harder hitting dance number from her than the chill rear end song we got. GWSN's Wonderboy, The Aerialist is a loving delight. Ryu Su Jeong had a solo debut and it slapped, Tiger Eyes has been in my playlist rotation since I first heard it on one of the music shows.

There's been a lot of great comebacks this year, especially for GGs and soloists. Like Taemin's single that just dropped is so loving good-- though I'm hoping the next pre release for the album is going to be another iconic hoe anthem. Nobody does it better than Taemin.

Man the past 2-3 months especially have been loving stacked tbh

Paperback Writer
May 1, 2006



I know we got some Blackpink haters here, but Iíve been watching this Tokyo concert and itís so drat good.
https://youtu.be/TT0rQgXFn7I

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





New Dreamcatcher MV. Bless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ4JGye4dQU

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

bear-headed geese




Dreamcatcher MVs are the best

kpop does videos really well but dreamcatcher has that next level of extra that really appeals

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008



No idea what "Sukhumvit Swimming" means, but I really like this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFSqmE-jy9g

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Vastakaiun posted:

No idea what "Sukhumvit Swimming" means, but I really like this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFSqmE-jy9g

I caught this on one of the music shows this week and it was pretty catchy. I also have no idea what Sukhumvit Swimming means. There was another boy group adjacent thing I really liked too but I can't remember the dude's name, I think it was his solo debut or a solo comeback but he's a member of some group I definitely do not know the name of. I'll go back and look at the schedule later mb to jog my memory.

While I'm at it, never heard of this group before but I really dug this BG jam from last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU5K0kqaAME

Also SuperM dropped their first pre-release for the upcoming album this past week, and further proved Taemin can pull off literally anything a stylist throws at him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyzhtvtJWDQ

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008



esperterra posted:

I caught this on one of the music shows this week and it was pretty catchy. I also have no idea what Sukhumvit Swimming means. There was another boy group adjacent thing I really liked too but I can't remember the dude's name, I think it was his solo debut or a solo comeback but he's a member of some group I definitely do not know the name of. I'll go back and look at the schedule later mb to jog my memory.

While I'm at it, never heard of this group before but I really dug this BG jam from last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU5K0kqaAME

Also SuperM dropped their first pre-release for the upcoming album this past week, and further proved Taemin can pull off literally anything a stylist throws at him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyzhtvtJWDQ

SF9 rules, they're a group I always realize that I'm underappreciating when listening to their stuff, definitely dig out their earlier stuff.

There's two male soloists that put out new albums out recently that I've been enjoying, maybe you're thinking of one of them.

Kang Daniel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQj7Ed-Z9Lk

Han Seung Woo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXeZUeD0Xo4

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Han Seung Woo! I really enjoyed his stage the other day.

e: i'll prob add SF9 to my ever growing list of poo poo to check out. i usually stick to just male soloists these days, but I dig their vibe

honestly I'm just waiting impatiently for the rest of Shinee currently in active service to gtfo so SM can hopefully squeeze a comeback out of them before Taemin has to enlist

e2: speaking of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UZRHi0kh3c

This is so drat good. I really hope the next single is another hoe anthem, though. Nobody does it like Taemin.

esperterra fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Aug 18, 2020

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





Peakboy with Wheein-Diet was released today. I really like the tone of her voice and when sheís featuring on a song, it add something really nice to overall tone of the song.

I am not biased. Not biased at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAEVPX_fWUs

Other collabs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5wrrbofBZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQZ48TgqZk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH1WIeBt89s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43fLk9mavNw

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



i like pure cheese or heartbreak from kdrama OSTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nf89kykys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWusB1j3zew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13vs5NfHSBs

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Cavauro posted:

i like pure cheese or heartbreak from kdrama OSTs

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



i'd also like to bring to the discussion the prevalence of guns and gun violence in Twice music videos. mina shoots me with an old time pistol in "TT". sana has a finger gun in "Heart Shaker". likewise, momo does a finger gun in "Dance The Night Away" while dancing. in "Fancy" one of the main dance moves is a steady two-handed pistol gesture. in "Cheer Up", momo, jihyo, and jeongyeon are all equipped with pistols and are going to shoot someone. chaeyoung is also sporting a revolver in that video. In "Like OOH-AHH", chaeyoung arguably places a finger gun to her temple then turns it on the viewer while in the restroom. there are quite a lot of guns in "BDZ" with one being directly aimed at mina for multiple shots, though i don't believe any of the members use one. that video also features a wooden chair that looks exactly the same as a set that I own which was purchased by my parents in the 1980s. you can see that chair at 3:54 in said music video.

The discussion I'd like to see is someone else saying that they noticed the guns a time or two, or maybe no acknowledgement at all, and then I'd like for everyone to listen to the classic tune "Abracadabra" or something else very good. Not the Steve Miller one

Cavauro fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Aug 19, 2020

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






SM's promo shots for Red Velvet's cover of Milky Way for the BoA cover album they've been trickling out all month had the first pic of Wendy since her accident, and they've since confirmed that she has recovered enough to participate in promotions so long as it isn't too hard on her body. I don't expect any dancing from her any time soon, but eyyy she's back. Perfect timing too b/c I just spent the past week finally digging into their discography.

Also here are the covers they've done so far. Gallant's cover of Only One is something really loving special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddu8Lo4c4jU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klcTTuM5pb0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSn8ucXtuQc

e:

Thom and the Heads posted:

I wish more of Blackpink's songs sounded like As If It's Your Last

I like big, bright catchy hooks and the rest of the stuff I've heard from them doesn't do much for me.

You might get your wish with this Selena Gomez collab, apparently it will be a 'more refreshing and lovable charm than their usual image', which at least has me curious. My main issue with BP is the lack of versatility, so if this leads into the album actually changing things up YG might get me to pay attention to them.

esperterra fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Aug 19, 2020

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





I haven't watched any of those suggested TWICE videos though suggestive imagery has been around for so long in Korean Pop. Maybe you can write to them talking about how much that imagery is troublesome to see and hopefully something comes of that.

Here's that video...that's also has some suggestive imagery!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4wJGWcHzVA



The Tracklist for that BOA covers album per SMTOWN USA Twitter:

['Our Beloved BoA']

1. 공중정원 / BAEKHYUN
2. 아틀란티스 소녀 / 볼빨간사춘기
3. Only One / Gallant
4. Milky Way / Red Velvet
5. 나무 / SM Classics

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1







The Arrogant Dance is eternal.

I've been rocking out to Abracadabra all day tbh. Sometimes the BEG mood just hits.

e:

the suggestive content is in the full M/V tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofwFr8o8p0Y

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



i don't mind the guns. I'm just glad that everyone knows. We're all in this together listening to kpop.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






guns, blurred out knife blades and legs

kpop requirements tbh

e:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cgk3TMAjKU

Hyolyn here to save the summer

e2: oh god blessings aplenty. a sudden official release of Borderline??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuMdGfmFNgE

esperterra fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Aug 19, 2020

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


esperterra posted:

SM's promo shots for Red Velvet's cover of Milky Way for the BoA cover album they've been trickling out all month had the first pic of Wendy since her accident, and they've since confirmed that she has recovered enough to participate in promotions so long as it isn't too hard on her body. I don't expect any dancing from her any time soon, but eyyy she's back. Perfect timing too b/c I just spent the past week finally digging into their discography.

In my continuing efforts to listen to something other than Twice, Twice and only Twice, I've also just started getting into Red Velvet. Pretty good! If anyone has any b-sides they wanna recommend, I'm all ears.

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.



I've seen Dahyun do that "gun to head" gesture a few times - kinda weird!

bovis
Jan 30, 2007






Thom and the Heads posted:

In my continuing efforts to listen to something other than Twice, Twice and only Twice, I've also just started getting into Red Velvet. Pretty good! If anyone has any b-sides they wanna recommend, I'm all ears.

Listen to all their albums! That's not super helpful to you though haha so let me link a few songs I really like.

This acoustic performance (and the original) have some of my favourite harmonies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88VRss2U4Lk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqGz3TowPe4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRctWJReQFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QbenuWsG8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds-Hb1y7MYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cHkhGoL5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH5rlpk70Ro

Apologies for the spam haha, I linked a b-side from most of their earlier stuff there. Started getting carried away since there are just so many good songs!!

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.



A good and appreciated post, thank you kind goon this is all very good.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



yeah bovis. related, "Psycho" was such a good single to me. It feels like it should have 500 million or more YouTube views, which is the ultimate and only measure of success.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





Red Velvet Boa teaser


https://youtu.be/AtSfgnmE9ME

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






I've come to the conclusion that Red Velvet has zero bad singles.

That said Psycho is probably my least favourite.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



the only ones i don't like are the Japanese ones and that seems to be a common thing among groups.

I meant red velvet singles here.

Cavauro fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 21, 2020

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Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


Psycho was my first exposure to them - I think it both bops and slaps. However, I do not care for Zimzalabim at all.

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