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 Black is a 2006 first-person shooter video game developed by Criterion Games and published by Electronic Arts. It was a console-only title, released on both Xbox and Playstation 2. This game is sort of an exercise in distilling a first-person shooter to it's purest form. The base gameplay of an FPS game is shooting guns and in Black, all of the focus is on that experience. The guns are the stars of the show. Compared to the characters and environment the weapon models are incredibly detailed; the developers even referred to the game as "gun-porn". So much effort was put into making satisfying sound effects for gunshots and explosions that the game was nominated for a BAFTA for best audio. The player's interaction with the environment is almost entirely by way of a bullet, environmental destruction and particle effects are not in short supply. However if all this sounds great, there's a downside. For a game with no multiplayer so it can stay entirely focused on it's single player experience, the actual story is an afterthought and there are only 8 missions. For many people, myself included, this makes the game seem more like a tech demo than a triple-A title. At the end of the day, what this game does, it does well. Join Cletus, Swordfishhh, and I as we put a few thousand rounds down-range and cause some serious destruction. Don't forget hearing protection. 01 - Veblensk City Street 02 - Treneska Border Crossing 03 - Naszran Town 04 - Naszran Foundry 05 - Tivliz Asylum 06 - Vratska Dockyard 07 - Graznei Bridge 08 - Spetriniv Gulag FrenzyTheKillbot fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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 01 - Veblensk City Street Let's get this party started. Now a warning, I'm going to make a bit of a personal effortpost here. I didn't mean to take a 3 year hiatus from LPing, I started working on this LP something like 6 months after I finished the last one. My intention was actually to knock out all 8 videos for this LP, get them "in the can", and then start working on a bigger project. However I got busy with work and family stuff, added to spending the free time I had playing other games I had been waiting on. Eventually I totally lost the ability to find time and motivation to work on LP stuff, which I feel very weird about. I'm hoping that getting a project finished and posted will help fuel my motivation, because I do enjoy this hobby. And I guess this paragraph is also a heads-up, because our commentary is probably rusty and any references we make to current events are going to be super old.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:01
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I feel like I played this but it's so impossibly generic that I can't actually be sure
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Aug 21, 2020 22:20
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"Rose Tinted Glasses" definitely true. I loved the original Tomb Raider, but I tried to go back to it and the old school controls are just rear end.
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Aug 21, 2020 22:30
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I remember going through this for the Chrome guns with unlimited ammo. Good times. And the little conspiracy theory nods in the collectibles were always good for a chuckle.
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Aug 22, 2020 07:44
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I wonder how many subwoofers this blew out in the day? So much bass with the explosions. Also, that is the wimpiest melee attack I've seen in a game in forever. It's less smacking them in the face with the butt of your gun, more 'I drew a bee on the bottom of the mag, would you like to take a look?'
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Aug 22, 2020 13:02
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Azza Bamboo posted:"Rose Tinted Glasses" Did the original Tomb Raider use tank controls? Every time I've gone back to play the older Resident Evils its just like, why would they even do this? Also, old Resident Evil is another example of awesome/terrible live action cutscenes. Kaboom Dragoon posted:Also, that is the wimpiest melee attack I've seen in a game in forever. It's less smacking them in the face with the butt of your gun, more 'I drew a bee on the bottom of the mag, would you like to take a look?' Yeah that and the terrible grenade throws. It's like they figured out the golden triangle from Halo (guns, grenades, melee) but intentionally put all the points into guns.
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Aug 22, 2020 15:48
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 02 - Treneska Border Crossing In this one we do some sneaky stuff, and also some very not sneaky stuff.
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Aug 28, 2020 20:38
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The question of how much does 500 bullets weigh requires a lot of variables. Firstly, one must determine the initial gun and/or caliber. Next is determining if we are trying to calculate the bullet or the cartridge weight (Think standard internet argument of Clip vs Magazine, they are different). Additionally, what type of ammunition is equally important. Is it lead/ball? Is it steel core? incendiary? explosive? And, to a lesser degree, there's the specific powder loading, which doesn't cause a huge variance in overall weight, but can over the span of several hundred/thousand collectively. So, for example, with the AK-47 (that is a mirrored version, the AK-47 ejects to the right, not the left) you could have a "standard" bullet weight of 8 grams per bullet, but a 16 gram cartridge. 9 pounds for bullets 18 pounds for cartridges
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Aug 29, 2020 18:31
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if we can trust wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%D739mm Current standard ammo(steel core) it's 16.3g for the cartdrige, 7.9g for bullet and about 1.6g for the filling give or take 25.8g per munition, lets round it up to 26g. 26g x 500 means 13kg. That weight is bare ammo, it doesn't include the stamped metal magazines. The move from 7.62(nato or pact) to 5.56/5.45 was motivated also by reducing ammo weight to be lugged around by each soldier(and most new rounds introduced since then used that point to justify itself as equivalent to X but smaller/lighter). SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Aug 29, 2020 20:24
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You don't add cartridge, bullet, and filling. Cartridge is the entire thing.
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Aug 29, 2020 20:36
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Jobbo_Fett posted:You don't add cartridge, bullet, and filling. Oh, I thought wikipedia used cartridge for the casing weight. If that's so it's "just" 8.15 kgs.
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Aug 29, 2020 20:40
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Wow that's way more reasonable than I was expecting. Also be warned, I think we bring it up a few more times throughout the game.
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Aug 29, 2020 21:07
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:Wow that's way more reasonable than I was expecting. Also be warned, I think we bring it up a few more times throughout the game. *loud groan* Next thing I know you'll be telling me there's no difference between a silencer and a suppressor! (Seriously though, liking the LP. Hate how this never got ported anywhere)
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Aug 29, 2020 21:10
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It's always interesting seeing games in the middle of a paradigm shift. I thought regenerating health would've been standard by 2006.
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Aug 30, 2020 02:59
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It's a lot of bullets no matter what.White Coke posted:It's always interesting seeing games in the middle of a paradigm shift. I thought regenerating health would've been standard by 2006. I'd actually say that Black was part of its own minor shift in handling health. Bweteen the choices of finding health/armor lying around and regenerating health there were a few shooters that opted for what Black used. Picking up medkits for use when the player wanted wasn't particularly common in shooters as I can recall though it is basically just healing potions from RPGs so it isn't exactly a new idea.
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Aug 31, 2020 05:29
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Jobbo_Fett posted:*loud groan* Haha I don't think we ever really get too far into gun pedantry. Just as I mentioned it was a weird LP for me and we went like an entire month between commentary recording sessions. So I end up repeating myself a few times because I can't remember if I brought up some talking point or another yet. And the other guys just end up having similar reactions to points like "look how much ammo they give us!", which is fine when it's something we talked about a couple months ago, but will be weird when it's in the very next video. Kibayasu posted:I'd actually say that Black was part of its own minor shift in handling health. Bweteen the choices of finding health/armor lying around and regenerating health there were a few shooters that opted for what Black used. Picking up medkits for use when the player wanted wasn't particularly common in shooters as I can recall though it is basically just healing potions from RPGs so it isn't exactly a new idea. I never really thought of it like health potions, that's a neat perspective. The only other shooter game I can think of off the top of my head that has player-used health kits is The Division.
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Aug 31, 2020 22:56
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:Haha I don't think we ever really get too far into gun pedantry. Just as I mentioned it was a weird LP for me and we went like an entire month between commentary recording sessions. So I end up repeating myself a few times because I can't remember if I brought up some talking point or another yet. And the other guys just end up having similar reactions to points like "look how much ammo they give us!", which is fine when it's something we talked about a couple months ago, but will be weird when it's in the very next video. You guys mentioned there's no difference between the two in the 2nd video 
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Aug 31, 2020 23:32
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:I never really thought of it like health potions, that's a neat perspective. The only other shooter game I can think of off the top of my head that has player-used health kits is The Division. From around the time of Black I can think of FEAR, Project IGI, Max Payne, I might be stretching shooter a bit but Metal Gear Solid series and its rations, and Resident Evil 4.
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Sep 1, 2020 00:15
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Kibayasu posted:From around the time of Black I can think of FEAR, Project IGI, Max Payne, I might be stretching shooter a bit but Metal Gear Solid series and its rations, and Resident Evil 4. Ah yeah Resident Evil is a good call, totally forgot about those games and their herbs. I also don't remember FEAR using health kits but it's been forever since I've played those games. Maybe I should LP them at some point. Swordfishhh dislikes horror games so it could be hilarious.
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Sep 1, 2020 15:36
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All the more reason to do it.
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Sep 2, 2020 05:24
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The environmental destruction in this game looks really good, but when combined with the mid-00's canned animations on death it just looks weird.
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Sep 2, 2020 16:44
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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:I never really thought of it like health potions, that's a neat perspective. The only other shooter game I can think of off the top of my head that has player-used health kits is The Division.
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Sep 2, 2020 16:53
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bbcisdabomb posted:The environmental destruction in this game looks really good, but when combined with the mid-00's canned animations on death it just looks weird. I've always kind of missed those animations.
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Sep 2, 2020 17:22
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 03 - Naszran Town In this one, I make myself look like a total fool in the commentary.
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Sep 4, 2020 21:30
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Bobbin Threadbare's Deus Ex: The Lecture Series (youtube playlist) The LP Archive link and the original SA thread for those interested. It's really good Garrand fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Sep 6, 2020 |
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Sep 6, 2020 07:07
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My favorite JFK assassination theory is that he was accidentally shot by a Secret Service agent with an AR-15 while Oswald was firing at Kennedy, which is why the Secret Service switched to Uzis. My current favorite conspiracy theory is "Maple Gladio" because the name is funny.
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Sep 6, 2020 09:28
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Garrand posted:Bobbin Threadbare's Deus Ex: The Lecture Series (youtube playlist) Thanks for digging it up. White Coke posted:My favorite JFK assassination theory is that he was accidentally shot by a Secret Service agent with an AR-15 while Oswald was firing at Kennedy, which is why the Secret Service switched to Uzis. I'm pretty sure this is the thing I was talking about when I mentioned seeing a TV show about some conspiracy. I remember that a lot of the focus was on the secret service acting strangely and yeah something about one of their rifles.
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Sep 7, 2020 01:17
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White Coke posted:My favorite JFK assassination theory is that he was accidentally shot by a Secret Service agent with an AR-15 while Oswald was firing at Kennedy, which is why the Secret Service switched to Uzis. My favorite JFK conspiracy was that Oswald was actually trying to kill the Texas Governor, but missed and hit Kennedy by mistake The governor was SecArmy back in the day and signed Oswald's discharge papers and Oswald was still kinda mad about that
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Sep 7, 2020 22:26
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Me right after the microphone check:
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Sep 8, 2020 02:21
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:My favorite JFK conspiracy was that Oswald was actually trying to kill the Texas Governor, but missed and hit Kennedy by mistake Hadn't heard that one. Connally ended up as Nixon's Treasury Secretary at a pretty pivotal time so his death would've had pretty big consequences. There's also the theory that JFK wasn't supposed to be killed and that the Conspirators wanted to spook him because they thought he wasn't standing up to the Soviets enough.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:25
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 04 - Naszran Foundry Today we're going to make a new friend. And blow a lot of stuff up.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:54
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There are 8 Venture Brothers seasons, and it was literally just cancelled a couple days ago.
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Sep 12, 2020 05:33
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drat. And to find out about it on 9/11 of all days.
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Sep 12, 2020 06:53
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The model for the WA2000 in this game is so hilariously inaccurate. Edit: Not to mention the G36C model. You're thinking of Full Spectrum Warrior. Not bad. Came out for free a couple of years ago. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Sep 12, 2020 |
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Sep 12, 2020 11:23
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The revolver's taking shotgun shells aren't in the same caliber as your typical 12-gauge rounds. See: .410 anti-snake rounds. As for the barrett stuff, yes, it has a recoil system and likely a large muzzle break which helps mitigate the felt recoil. A revolver has no such system, unless its a very special make/model.
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Sep 13, 2020 03:15
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Why does the revolver need a special make/model for such a recoil system? Is it because the chamber isn't as air tight as other models?
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Sep 13, 2020 03:28
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White Coke posted:Why does the revolver need a special make/model for such a recoil system? Is it because the chamber isn't as air tight as other models? Because revolvers dont generally have a barrel that moves when shot, so unless it has a muzzle brake theres not much that can be done to mitigate recoil.
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Sep 13, 2020 12:10
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I actually replayed Full Spectrum Warrior for no reason recently and it is painful these days. Most of the game is one of your guys dying to an enemy that spawns in a place where it can shoot you instantly and then reloading a save because that's faster than picking your wounded guy up and taking him back to the save point to be healed. Repeat until you know the exact sequence to get through to the next save point. It actually got a sequel which is still pretty frustrating but a lot more fun for a number of reasons. Anyways clearly the P90 is a rifle in this game because they had to make it bigger to hold the 100 bullets.
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 05 - Tivliz Asylum We end up in the nuthouse. Where we belong.
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