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Can anyone give me some pointers on how to play as a 1-province count in the HRE? I'm trying to recreate Wiz's Hohenzollern LP. I found Friedrich von Hohenzollern and made him count of Zollern, how do I grow and take over Swabia and eventually the HRE?
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Oct 20, 2020 07:06
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Is there some way to vassalize the pope? I need his land to unite Italia, but this guy has practically infinite money and can thus pull infinite soldiers out of his rear end. I can beat them off, but it's impossible to leave a small siege force somewhere, because he will come up with a 6000 man stack and destroy them. I've considered trying to get an Italian on the papal throne who will willingly become my vassal, but I don't think there's any way to influence who becomes pope, and I'm not sure I could stack enough bonuses anyway. Any advice?
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Oct 20, 2020 07:11
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First of all, focus on building up your one county. Find Secrets and Golden Obligations is a really good way to pull seed capital from faraway lands. You can fabricate claims on neighboring counties, but you usually don't need to; one of the Fabricate Claims side-effect events is giving away claims to fellow vassals, and since Catholic Bishops are often terrible because of papal appointment RNG, so you'll have plenty of claims even doing nothing. The game doesn't notify you that you have them though, so you have to keep checking your character screen. Marriage wise you'll ideally want to marry your yourself and/or your future heir to a daughter of your liege; thats how you bring claims into the family. You can also use the Meritocracy perk to brute force it. Second sons should marry daughters of neighboring rulers at the same rank as you; in a generation their kids will have claims you can press. Daughters get married for alliances; powerful foreign rulers if you can, equal rank fellow vassals if not; if you can't get a good match marry them matrilineally to randoms with good traits/stats (they will join your court) and create surplus dynasts (for sweet sweet Renown). For men at arms you want siege engines, some pikemen, and lots of Armored Footmen. Boost their stats with a building in every holding you personally control. You don't get any stat boosts from your temples our cities, so you only really want those to have revenue generation buildings (but enforcing this by swapping thier buildings is your absolute lowest priority). Finally, be sure to name absolutely all of your sons either Konrad or Friedrich, it is the Swabian Way. pidan posted:Is there some way to vassalize the pope? I need his land to unite Italia, but this guy has practically infinite money and can thus pull infinite soldiers out of his rear end. I can beat them off, but it's impossible to leave a small siege force somewhere, because he will come up with a 6000 man stack and destroy them. The only way I know of to do this is to hold an Empire title and then use the De Jure CB on his final holdings to force vassalize him. Forced Vassalization CB might work too. No way I know of to do it without fighting him, but it's easily doable by stacking MaA bonuses, tier four buildings and 7 level eight regiments are sufficient. Don't bother with small siege stacks, just smash down his holdings one by one. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Oct 20, 2020 |
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Oct 20, 2020 07:28
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Apparently there is One Neat Trick - The Pope HATES it!* that you can do to get rid of terrible bishops without murdering them - have them educate the child of one of your vassals. The bishop will apparently gently caress off to the vassal's court to do the education rather than the child coming to your court. You then get a new bishop. Repeat until you have one that doesn't have 2 learning and hates you. *This does not actually affect the Pope's opinion.
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Oct 20, 2020 13:32
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shortspecialbus posted:Apparently there is One Neat Trick - The Pope HATES it!* that you can do to get rid of terrible bishops without murdering them - have them educate the child of one of your vassals. The bishop will apparently gently caress off to the vassal's court to do the education rather than the child coming to your court. You then get a new bishop. Repeat until you have one that doesn't have 2 learning and hates you. I just imprison and banish them to steal all their gold 
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Oct 20, 2020 14:40
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I leave them be because they’re appointed by the man appointed by god
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Oct 20, 2020 17:45
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Jay Rust posted:I leave them be because they’re appointed by the man appointed by god This.
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Oct 20, 2020 18:04
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Jay Rust posted:I leave them be because they’re appointed by the man appointed by god So they're basically https://youtu.be/MKZSqd5Y8nA
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Oct 20, 2020 18:08
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Jay Rust posted:I leave them be because they’re appointed by the man appointed by god Sometimes I will send them to meet their god, though
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Oct 20, 2020 18:50
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 I really love the flavor text ignoring reality sometimes. That, and blind folk spotting things.
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Oct 20, 2020 19:52
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Do you refute the Kaiser's obvious beauty?
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Oct 20, 2020 20:11
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They had to put the mask on him because he was too sexy.
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Oct 20, 2020 20:12
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Blimpkin posted:
My favorite was my King who preferred peace over conflict and was in 20 offensive wars.
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Oct 20, 2020 20:28
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VostokProgram posted:Can anyone give me some pointers on how to play as a 1-province count in the HRE? I'm trying to recreate Wiz's Hohenzollern LP. I found Friedrich von Hohenzollern and made him count of Zollern, how do I grow and take over Swabia and eventually the HRE? Since you're going to be playing nearby, your early focus should be taking either Göttingen or Innsbruck as soon as you can afford the claim & war. Göttingen is better, but Innsbruck is closer to Zollern. They both have unique mining buildings that will give you a crazy amount of money early on, in addition to increasing the development of the respective counties. Before unpausing, change your feudal contract to get guaranteed council rights and forced partition succession. Because of tech you're going to be stuck in partition for a long time anyway, so you're not giving anything up for the +2 gold/month for being your liege's steward. Once you own Göttingen you'll be making +7 gold/month just from that county + being your liege's steward. This will let you afford a bunch of MAA much earlier than your neighbors, making the rest of Swabia trivial to consolidate. There are a couple more unique buildings near Göttingen like the Aachen palace and the Cologne Cathedral, or if you want to move south you can pretty easily form Switzerland.
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Oct 20, 2020 20:40
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The X-man cometh posted:Is there a way to keep your armies from retreating halfway across the map after a battle? My troops just marched past my rally point and deep into my territory. Seriously, this is driving me crazy. Even if I click to retreat during the battle, the whole army takes a week and goes somewhere in my territory, not even close to where they came from. I must be missing something obvious, but it's ruining the game when I get dragged into an ally's war 5 kingdoms away and my troops are uselessly going to my territory.
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Oct 20, 2020 22:43
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The X-man cometh posted:Seriously, this is driving me crazy. Even if I click to retreat during the battle, the whole army takes a week and goes somewhere in my territory, not even close to where they came from. That’s a feature. When you lose a battle your troops retreat way the hell away (and vice versa) but are invincible in the process. Net result is the enemy can’t immediately follow up and wins more battles against you while your troops’ morale is trash, but in exchange you do run quite far. I highly recommend winning battles instead.
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Oct 20, 2020 23:15
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ulmont posted:That’s a feature. When you lose a battle your troops retreat way the hell away (and vice versa) but are invincible in the process. Net result is the enemy can’t immediately follow up and wins more battles against you while your troops’ morale is trash, but in exchange you do run quite far. I highly recommend winning battles instead. Yeah you can tell when that's happened because they have a little white flag beneath them. You must abide by the gentlemanly rules for conduct in warfare.
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Oct 20, 2020 23:49
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I remember when shattered retreats were first introduced (in an EU3 patch?) and it really threw everyone off-guard. "WTF! The enemy is MARCHING THROUGH MY ARMY!!" It took a while for some people to warm up to the idea. This is important to remember sometimes because it turns out that it's not a very intuitive system, actually. It can be really confusing if you don't know how it already works.
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Oct 20, 2020 23:54
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they have a blue movement indicator when theyre retreating as well
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Oct 21, 2020 00:07
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PittTheElder posted:First of all, focus on building up your one county. Find Secrets and Golden Obligations is a really good way to pull seed capital from faraway lands. This was pretty good advice, I'm duke of Swabia now. Poor Rudolf von Rhinefelden died and got replaced by some other rear end in a top hat so my marriage into his family wasnt that valuable. I ended up forging a claim on the duchy anyway and couping the Duke. Also what about naming sons Waldemar? binge crotching posted:Since you're going to be playing nearby, your early focus should be taking either Göttingen or Innsbruck as soon as you can afford the claim & war. Göttingen is better, but Innsbruck is closer to Zollern. They both have unique mining buildings that will give you a crazy amount of money early on, in addition to increasing the development of the respective counties. I got to Duke before I read this. Would it be good to use the forced partition + forced council trick on the Kaiser? wUnfortunately Gottingen and Aachen are both owned by big boy Angria right now:  And Cologne belongs to Utrecht, who is my ally. Right now Zollern is the only county in my domain, and since its only a 3-holding county it'll only ever have 1 directly controlled barony. Should I think getting a bigger county and moving my realm capital there? Also what should I do if a vassal is going to inherit another duchy and leave my realm?
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Oct 21, 2020 03:12
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VostokProgram posted:Also what should I do if a vassal is going to inherit another duchy and leave my realm? If you are king rank you can give them a duchy within your own realm and then that other duchy will become part of your kingdom instead
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Oct 21, 2020 03:20
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:If you are king rank you can give them a duchy within your own realm and then that other duchy will become part of your kingdom instead No I'm just a Duke. e: aha, you can fabricate a claim on a vassal's county, and then you can revoke the title without tyranny! so i just took over the relevant county Yaoi Gagarin fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Oct 21, 2020 03:30
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Good thing the patch fixed Swedish border gore, there were some real Franken-realms going on th- I'm not responsible for any of this. The Francian emperor has a claim on West Francia for gently caress's sake just do it!
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Oct 21, 2020 03:52
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Is it realistic that armies can freely transit through neutral territory in this time period?
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Oct 21, 2020 04:11
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No, crusaders moving through hungary made quite the diplomatic crisis.
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Oct 21, 2020 04:22
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 Freddy had a good run but I think his days are numbered.
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Oct 21, 2020 04:31
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War contribution: 0 Are you loving kidding me? I sieged down his capital and captured his king, resulting in 100% war score. Without me, he'd still be in the loving war with his troops just wandering around. Give me the drat prestige and opinion modifier!
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Oct 21, 2020 05:16
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Really loving hate when a vassal murders me, is known to murder me, and the next king isn’t strong enough to arrest him and instead kicks off a civil war which he loving loses. And isn’t strong enough to stealthily murder the guy. I want him dead. I want his family dead. I want his castle burned to the ground; I’m gonna go there in the middle of the night and piss on his ashes.
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Oct 21, 2020 05:34
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PancakeTransmission posted:War contribution: 0 There is some bullshit going on with sieges where AI takes over sieges in almost all cases.
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Oct 21, 2020 05:40
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eXXon posted:I'm not responsible for any of this. The Francian emperor has a claim on West Francia for gently caress's sake just do it! For some reason Francia seems to lose West France quite often in my games when I see Francia form. Even if they get it back somehow they lose it again.
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Oct 21, 2020 05:59
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Magil Zeal posted:For some reason Francia seems to lose West France quite often in my games when I see Francia form. Even if they get it back somehow they lose it again. unless Flanders gets split off early on (and thus remains Frisian) west francia will usually be by far the strongest kingdom in the empire of francia - it has more duchies to begin with BEFORE getting a massive duchy like flanders De Jure drifting into it. So if any of the constituent kingdoms successfully revolt against the emperor, you can bet it will be west francia.
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Oct 21, 2020 06:08
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Knuc U Kinte posted:There is some bullshit going on with sieges where AI takes over sieges in almost all cases.  ) I would have executed the fucker for some dread and stress relief.Would love to know what makes this a good wife:  Perhaps "good wife for <blank>" meant nobody.
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Oct 21, 2020 06:42
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PancakeTransmission posted:Perhaps "good wife for <blank>" meant nobody. Boy I sure hope so. 
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Oct 21, 2020 06:55
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VostokProgram posted:This was pretty good advice, I'm duke of Swabia now. Poor Rudolf von Rhinefelden died and got replaced by some other rear end in a top hat so my marriage into his family wasnt that valuable. I ended up forging a claim on the duchy anyway and couping the Duke. Well I guess it's academic now but that's usually fine. Deposed rulers still get pressed claims to be passed along, and there is always the option of starting a claimant faction to reinstall them if you want to do it super legitimately. quote:Right now Zollern is the only county in my domain, and since its only a 3-holding county it'll only ever have 1 directly controlled barony. Should I think getting a bigger county and moving my realm capital there? Don't worry about that, worry about getting more counties. Seize them by force from the other counts in your duchy, or since you're already the Duke, fabricate claims and Revoke to gain more counties. quote:Also what should I do if a vassal is going to inherit another duchy and leave my realm? Fabricate and Revoke. VostokProgram posted:Is it realistic that armies can freely transit through neutral territory in this time period? It's more realistic than armies being completely unable to march through neutral territory EU4 style, but period armies on the move were extremely dangerous things and a large army would be ruinous to nearly any area it passed through. Large armies in particular (large being anything more than five thousandish) did not have the logistical-administrative ability to bring sufficient supplies with them, and the solution was to use violence to convince the locals to supply them; this is what is politely called foraging. With Crusader armies there was also crazy ideological stuff going on, lots of massacres of Jews just on their way out of Europe, and lots of massacring the inhabitants of any captured town regardless of faith. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Oct 21, 2020 07:11
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PancakeTransmission posted:War contribution: 0 I do wonder if it's a stack overflow issue or some modifier being the wrong way around in the code; in my experience it seems like the more disproportionate your assistance is versus your ally, the less likely you are to get the credit. Yesterday I bailed out an ally who was about to be deposed by a vassal, who was at -90% war score with all his armies in retreating single-digit bits. I turned the war around single-handedly for a total of 190% war score and got absolutely nothing when he won. Then a bit later I got 100% contribution for a different war where my only contribution was to throw a small army into a battle my ally was already winning massively.
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Oct 21, 2020 07:28
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theyve sort of replicated what it would be like with the supply limit system but its still not perfect, but i think its basically as realistic as it needs to be. supply limit in hostile and neutral territory should definitely get 'used up' though or something like that. i fully expect a full warfare expansion at some point cause the system as it is now needs improvement
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Oct 21, 2020 07:38
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I am putting the HOI-style supply lines into the same bucket as teleporting MAA, things I find fun even if it makes no sense and will be sad when they inevitably improve on it lol
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Oct 21, 2020 07:46
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The teleporting MAA has only ever been useful to me when I'm big enough to not need my levies and thus am already unstoppable. I'd probably be annoyed of they took it out, because I need it to alleviate the tedious bullshit of late game warfare.
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Oct 21, 2020 08:08
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PittTheElder posted:Fabricate and Revoke. Something I've wondered but never tested out - are vassals less likely to join a rebellion against a revoke attempt if you have a legal reason to revoke the title (such as a claim)? Or does it depend entirely on how much they like you relative to the vassal you're trying to revoke from?
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Oct 21, 2020 08:34
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My queen died juuuust after conquering the kingdom of Norway. It sure was fun to find enough people to give all the counties to. Not a single duchy in the entire kingdom. My heir now has the kingdoms of Scotland, Ireland, Burgundy (?) and Norway. I jacked up the crown authority to absolute just before my queen died. I'm counting on a big revolt and then I can just lower it again, making my vassals happy and I'll have 10 years to get things in order without them joining a new faction. Wish I kept all those Norse duchies though. After giving them out as new king, I'd have a ton of happy vassals. Oh well.
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