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Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Everyone knows aliens now grow absurdly fast. Like 1hr from infancy to full adult bio mass be damned.

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ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

JazzFlight posted:

This last episode actually made me feel happy, which is weird because the show's tone is so grim and serious. They've settled on who the "good" characters are now and I like that they're being kind to each other. Other shows just ride the morally-gray "both sides" crap all the way through and you end up rooting for no one.

when (post e5) Father drops Mother into the pit and Mother says "Father?" just before he catches her with that one twitching finger :cry:

i really love how Mother's character has developed, Amanda Collin's performance is Toni Collette tier IMO. i thought she was an obvious villain from ep1 and now find myself rooting for her and hoping she stays a character for the rest of the series. she straddles the uncanny valley line between hyperadvanced goo android and actual human amazingly well. the way she says "Campion" (I guess w a lil autotune), how she interacts with other androids and technology, some of the head tics she's shown, how she wrinkles her brow when she's talking to Tempest, the strange vocal cadences, the slightly unhinged appearance pulled back immediately into an unnerving calm when she shows anger with the children, its just a consistently excellent portrayal for a very complex role in every scene.


can't wait for s2

ex post facho fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 26, 2020

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Everyone needs to take a loving shower already tho.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

that was all literally presented in the first episode and has been the glaringly obvious theme the whole time? if you're not into that stuff how did you get 9 episodes in?

I mean, the first episodes had the Mithriac religion as a central theme but like, it was just a religion and nothing more. Maybe it's my personal world view (I'm a non-believer) but I was fine with the Mithriac religion as a Thing in the show because to me it's just background lore that they used to justify killing each other. The first episodes were establishing the atheist vs Mithriac conflict and humanity's flight from Earth. IE: humans killing each other.

It wasn't until these last episodes that we find out that no the Mithriac religion is like, a real thing, with some kind of magic space god, and now there is a magic space jesus baby. This story is now just another rehash of a miracle baby/virgin birth/savior of the world/prophecy story and that's just unoriginal and boring.

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Sep 26, 2020

crankybastard
Jan 4, 2005

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

i'm thinking we're gonna see powered up necrospragnar and i'm tuned the gently caress in.

loving poetry.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Imagine if instead of making Prometheus/Covenant the movie they made it episodic and not suck(as much).

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
we gotta mithraic true believer, get'im Mother

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Sol will be my armor atheist scum.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

I hope mother racks up some more kills tbh father too

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

I thought it was funny that Sue yelled out Jesus Christ at one point. I kind of figured this was some alternate timeline where Christianity never took off, but I guess it did.

DogsInSpace!
Sep 11, 2001


Fun Shoe

Bird in a Blender posted:

I thought it was funny that Sue yelled out Jesus Christ at one point. I kind of figured this was some alternate timeline where Christianity never took off, but I guess it did.

But that is a little odd... I mean who, other than that show watchers, would ya things like “by the horns of mithras” or “by the light of Apollo” in moments of genuine surprise? Still like the show but Dread Lord Cthulhu that is kinda lazy.

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang
A main character in Battlestar Galactica screams "Jesus!" at some point in the first season and the director in his podcast had to say, "No, stop theory-crafting based on that. Sometimes actors improv their lines and I'm not going to reshoot the scene because otherwise that take was loving excellent."

err
Apr 11, 2005

I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...
Posting to say this is a good show and I have no speculation as to what is going on.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Boris Galerkin posted:

It wasn't until these last episodes that we find out that no the Mithriac religion is like, a real thing, with some kind of magic space god, and now there is a magic space jesus baby. This story is now just another rehash of a miracle baby/virgin birth/savior of the world/prophecy story and that's just unoriginal and boring.

thats the alien ghost thing manipulating everyone. which is a different type of unoriginal

Miss Mowcher
Jul 24, 2007

Ribbit
If bloodborne taught anything is that eating eyes are incredbly bad, so... mutated Space Ragnar incoming

Also, the hexagon alien looked like a space jockey head

Boris Galerkin posted:

It wasn't until these last episodes that we find out that no the Mithriac religion is like, a real thing, with some kind of magic space god, and now there is a magic space jesus baby. This story is now just another rehash of a miracle baby/virgin birth/savior of the world/prophecy story and that's just unoriginal and boring.

It’s a Machine/AI god, it’s magic as in “sufficiently advanced tech” that was passed down to earthlings and interpreted as divine, not some miracle stuff :confused:

Miss Mowcher fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Sep 27, 2020

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

Open Source Idiom posted:

That said, I think it's pretty clear what's happening at this point.

There's some sort of entity which is trapped in that pentagon, and it's attempting to escape by creating a new body for itself. After several -- uhh -- abortive attempts (Tempest, most notably) it's finally succeeded in developing a host body for itself, gestating in Mother's body. It is the voice and the visions that people have seen on the planet, though it also exists in the Mithraic arc because the entire Mithraic religion is based around its continued existence and eventual freedom.

The only rub here are the Campions. Mother was not meant to be an atheist (Campion Sr.), and Campion Jr. was never meant to have survive. I think the implication is that he's also part human, part robot, like the new creature would be, which is how he survived the radiation. He melded with mother's tear when he was born, in the same way the rapist melded with a great deal more of Mother's fluid. It's why the creature is so terrified of him.


The backstory for the planet, etc. isn't obvious yet, but it presumably has something to do with it too. But the actual conflict is very clear at this point.

this guy got it i think. im turning around on the show tbh

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang
It's going to be the Dark PhotonsTM that went from Mother's Tears to baby Campion. Since they've never bothered to explain what component of Mother is the Dark PhotonsTM , we can assume all her bodily fluids have them and thus that's where Ultra-Rapist, and special protagonist Campion come from.

Gaj
Apr 30, 2006

scary ghost dog posted:

this guy got it i think. im turning around on the show tbh

I hate how he came up with this theory, and I did not read it and I came to the same conclusion with one minor change:

[spoiler]The entity in the desert rock is an alien colonization effort just like the Ark and the androids. Some alien race probably killed itself and sent its own grey-go colonization effort to Kepler. It failed due to a lack of local resources or damage. The man-animals we see are the initial failed results. After a while it does the same thing the aliens in the porno Species did and sent a message to Earth/anyone who could listen. The message gave the reader a boost in space tech/androids and info about Kepler. It just had to sit and wait for another colonization effort, one with more resources to arrive and then its just using those for its own end goal.[\spoiler]

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Wait, Tempests baby is gone?

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?
^^^ I don't think so, she just tried to kill it when she drank a bunch of stuff that made her sick back in the plastic colony dome thing.


I just came in to say that the alien head in the d20 thingy gave me some eraserhead vibes. Also I'm enjoying this show a lot more once I just decided to roll with poo poo being crazy and weird and stopped trying to figure out what the heck is going on.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
That d20 thing was straight up the goddamn Eraserhead baby.

I’m just waiting for this to start playing during the season finale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzp_qv3-FkA

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc

bee posted:

d20 thingy


Gonz posted:

That d20 thing


It's a d12 you fools

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Anonymous Zebra posted:

It's going to be the Dark PhotonsTM that went from Mother's Tears to baby Campion. Since they've never bothered to explain what component of Mother is the Dark PhotonsTM , we can assume all her bodily fluids have them and thus that's where Ultra-Rapist, and special protagonist Campion come from.

Dark photons are actually a real hypothetical particle in physics. But we don't know yet if it can make you invincible and fly around in T pose. The science isn't settled on that part

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

GABA ghoul posted:

Dark photons are actually a real hypothetical particle in physics. But we don't know yet if it can make you invincible and fly around in T pose. The science isn't settled on that part
Stupid scientists never tried using milk fuel blood.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Ah yes. Aliens who wear robes and live out in the wild have sub atomic particle tech. This is one of the things that bug me when Hollywood shows advanced aliens in primitive garb with no signs of high civilization. Look at all that was necessary for humans to build the large hadron collider which is still primitive in comparison.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

ZZZorcerer posted:

It’s a Machine/AI god, it’s magic as in “sufficiently advanced tech” that was passed down to earthlings and interpreted as divine, not some miracle stuff :confused:

I'm not doing a good job at conveying my thoughts, but if I can try one more time: if it was only that humans interpreted advanced space tech as divine messages and using that to justify killing each other and destroying the Earth and building these screaming terror weapons without understanding what was actually going on, that would be acceptable to me. Instead, now we have found out that there is a god/AI/tech that has been directly pulling on the strings of human puppets to steer them into doing whatever it is that that god/AI/tech always wanted to happen all along. I dunno, it just takes away agency from literally every single character in the show. "This was all planned" type of bullshit.

Miss Mowcher
Jul 24, 2007

Ribbit

Boris Galerkin posted:

I'm not doing a good job at conveying my thoughts, but if I can try one more time: if it was only that humans interpreted advanced space tech as divine messages and using that to justify killing each other and destroying the Earth and building these screaming terror weapons without understanding what was actually going on, that would be acceptable to me. Instead, now we have found out that there is a god/AI/tech that has been directly pulling on the strings of human puppets to steer them into doing whatever it is that that god/AI/tech always wanted to happen all along. I dunno, it just takes away agency from literally every single character in the show. "This was all planned" type of bullshit.

The AI is messing with a few characters on planet because it's there, I think their involvement with mankind on earth was sending mysterious tech package + map to the planet (*come here, it's wonderful* sign post). The killing/destroying on Earth is all human, I don't think the aliens cared as long as humans eventually sent some spaceships there.

I think the whole religion is all human interpretation, Karl even said that they don't fully understand the 'old scriptures' (that were some tech manuals on dark photons and how to build androids/spaceships (?) and not some bible stuff)

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I guess we'll have to see what gets explained next week, which is the season finale right? I saw only one episode listed. Will it be a 2 hour episode or a standard 1 hour episode? It looks like every week released 2 episodes (3 for the first) and the last being just the 1.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
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Don’t start making your head cannon make you mad before it’s explained. The AI making me people crazy hasn’t been proven at all.

It’s like getting upset at your spouse cause they cheated on you in your dreams.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Shaocaholica posted:

Ah yes. Aliens who wear robes and live out in the wild have sub atomic particle tech. This is one of the things that bug me when Hollywood shows advanced aliens in primitive garb with no signs of high civilization. Look at all that was necessary for humans to build the large hadron collider which is still primitive in comparison.

Why would you assume this? Humans have all sorts of technology and still go out to the middle of nowhere to do weird poo poo they don't want anyone to know about. Assuming the robed figures actually are even aliens (which seems likely) we don't know a drat thing about them other than that scene and a few things we can make guesses on via world building.

We do know that the planet supposedly has a potentially much more habitable region, that all of the characters feel compelled to never try and go to for reasons unknown. I wouldn't rule it out that the so called tropical region may contain their civilization, or the ruins of it and whatever suggestion the unknown force is using on them is compelling everyone to avoid it, so they stay near the hexagon thing. The androids could have aimed for that region in the first place when they landed there but they didn't. And presumedly they have the option to go there with the pod from the Arc, or at the very least, Mother could fly there and check it out. Yet they remain in spitting distance of the monolithic structure. Also the planet is covered in mysterious holes that seem to have something more at the bottom with the heat etc.

I'm not saying that these are even actual theories on my part, just that there are all sorts of possibilities and there might be a good reason that the weird structure is out in the middle of nowhere.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Shaocaholica posted:

Ah yes. Aliens who wear robes and live out in the wild have sub atomic particle tech. This is one of the things that bug me when Hollywood shows advanced aliens in primitive garb with no signs of high civilization. Look at all that was necessary for humans to build the large hadron collider which is still primitive in comparison.

If an alien discovered a recording of a robed human in a cave, they would probably conclude that humans were fairly advanced due to the fact that they had the technology to record themselves.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
figured out why this show swaps between sucking rear end and being super good constantly. its a pretty interesting couple of hours of heady existentialist scifi stretched out to fill multiple seasons of episodic cliffhanger based tv

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

I like it

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

veni veni veni posted:

Why would you assume this? Humans have all sorts of technology and still go out to the middle of nowhere to do weird poo poo they don't want anyone to know about. Assuming the robed figures actually are even aliens (which seems likely) we don't know a drat thing about them other than that scene and a few things we can make guesses on via world building.

We do know that the planet supposedly has a potentially much more habitable region, that all of the characters feel compelled to never try and go to for reasons unknown. I wouldn't rule it out that the so called tropical region may contain their civilization, or the ruins of it and whatever suggestion the unknown force is using on them is compelling everyone to avoid it, so they stay near the hexagon thing. The androids could have aimed for that region in the first place when they landed there but they didn't. And presumedly they have the option to go there with the pod from the Arc, or at the very least, Mother could fly there and check it out. Yet they remain in spitting distance of the monolithic structure. Also the planet is covered in mysterious holes that seem to have something more at the bottom with the heat etc.

I'm not saying that these are even actual theories on my part, just that there are all sorts we of possibilities and there might be a good reason that the weird structure is out in the middle of nowhere.
They said that there is some kind of electromagnetic disturbance above the tropical zone and they can't land the ark there. I assume the smaller landers and Ma& Pa's ship have/had the same problem. They can probably get close with the lander and walk the rest by foot, but it might still be a weeks or months long journey and potentially very dangerous (see Oregon trail, but with no oxens and weird unknown alien wildlife)

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

I feel this was pretty obvious regarding the 'Sol Invictus' symbol on the metal plate/tarot card thingy but its obviously an egg with a bunch of sperm swimming towards it, which is spot on for clear reasons given when Mother finds it and the whole theme of the show in general

Sally Sprodgkin
May 23, 2007
So, what are the odds on space Ragnar actually being dead?

I recall they made a point in the episode of dark photons not being properly understood. I could see him coming back as some kind of neo-Necromancer with the help of whatever is in the dodecahedron / the weird aliens.

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49
There's no way he's dead. Also does he have both eyes, or did the other dude take one with him?

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Eating necro eye should not turn you into a necro. Just like eating anything should not turn you into anything but actually be made fun of like in District 9 when that gangster guy was eating the aliens.

Sally Sprodgkin
May 23, 2007
This thread is no longer a "should (not)" zone after the rape-man got superpowers.

This thread is now a "could" zone.

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cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Are the religious guys praying to the sun in our system, the local star, or the overarching concept of nuclear fusion? I'd imagine that would be a bit hard to reconcile.

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