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SEKCobra posted:I want a phone on my dash so I can use GPS on my bike, I don't have an in-helmet entertainment system to tell me about turns and also like the ability to see an approximation of a curve beforehand. I just wear earbuds. I have a RAM mount on my FZ, but I don't use it.
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Fauxtool posted:I would say USA is one of the worse options for buying Nolan helmets at reasonable prices. Its almost cheaper to buy them from an EU shop and ship them. I suppose i meant in terms of availability to purchase, not necessarily price. Do you mean that Nolan will have many more features than the K1? I'll check out those two you mentioned, thanks!
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Russian Bear posted:Feature wise for a new rider, what do yall think about the Nolan n87 vs AGV K1? Some years ago when I took my MSF course, I wore a Nolan helmet (84 maybe?) and it fit REALLY well. That could have changed now of course. Outside of fit, which is the most important, is the slight premium on the N87 worth it? in that price range you might also look at the Bell SRT. I like their 3 layer eps design in other helmets (I have a Moto-9 Flex). really you need to figure out (by going to your local cyclegear or something) what head shape you are and then shop around that. It's really hard to tell from 30 seconds of wearing a helmet whether or not its gonna pinch your crown and give you a headache after an hour of riding so trying them on in person is a Best Effort endeavor when i was looking for my first dirt bike helmet i just bought any old brand (Fly Racing V1) and it was so heavily narrow and angled I had to just about break the lower jaw portion to be able to wear it longer than 30 minutes and even then it would give me headaches on the way to the mountains until it broke in heavily. so try not to do that because it sucks to be out on a ride and realize your head hurts
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yeah you really just gotta try them on. Wear it for at least 20m while you browse the store. A well fitting helmet has no pressure points and doesnt need to "break in" to fit comfortably There are a lot of helmets that retail for around 350 that can be found on sale for 200-250. That nolan is quieter and better vented with a drop down sun visor. I dont actually know for a fact that its quieter but except for the touring helmets AGV is generally loud as gently caress. The k1 has a nice liner and looks similar to the $1000 helmet from 100ft. I have owned several AGV helmets but almost every purchase has been informed by its appearance mostly Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Aug 28, 2020 |
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Aug 28, 2020 21:07
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My head shape is definitely oval and I can give you measurements, but I don't know how relevant those are in motorcycle helmets. I'm always a medium in bicycle helmets (56 to 59 is the usual range). I'll pop into my local cycle gear to see what they have.
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Aug 28, 2020 21:24
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I just want to say that Rukka trousers and jackets are amazing. I was in a lowside 2 days ago, not a single scratch or bruise on me.
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Aug 28, 2020 21:55
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Russian Bear posted:My head shape is definitely oval and I can give you measurements, but I don't know how relevant those are in motorcycle helmets. I'm always a medium in bicycle helmets (56 to 59 is the usual range). I'll pop into my local cycle gear to see what they have. Sizing will vary not only between manufacturers but between models from the same manufacturer. No matter what Revzilla/F9/anyone else says about a helmet's internal shape, you will have to try on numerous helmets to find one that fits right. Just use their reviews as a starting point and go from there.
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Aug 28, 2020 21:57
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Jazzzzz posted:Sizing will vary not only between manufacturers but between models from the same manufacturer. No matter what Revzilla/F9/anyone else says about a helmet's internal shape, you will have to try on numerous helmets to find one that fits right. Just use their reviews as a starting point and go from there. My current Schubert not only a great helmet in fit and function, but their customer service turned out to be mind-blowingly amazing. Apparently there was a defect in the original pinlock design, so they just shipped me a new visor and screen. Hotdamn.
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Aug 28, 2020 22:26
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I want to buy this but then I'm admitting I'm not going to have both my bikes in the garage at the same time anytime in the near future
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Razzled posted:
I'm very suspicious of Fly helmets after my buddy lightly bonked a tree with one, snapped his chin bar and concussed the poo poo out if himself, actually that goes for most of the manufacturers that only make dirt gear, besides like 6D and TLD.
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Aug 29, 2020 01:52
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MomJeans420 posted:I want to buy this but then I'm admitting I'm not going to have both my bikes in the garage at the same time anytime in the near future Like Harbor Freight, if you wait about a month, they’ll either go on special or a coupon will appear for it. They pack down about half the size of a standard bed pillow and weigh a bit more than that, but mine has survived a lot of snow and terrible rain and wind and is only kind of grimy, no rips or runs in it. I have a garage now, but it was such a good cover when I used it that I can’t justify hocking it in case I ever need it again.
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Aug 29, 2020 02:34
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What is recommended for waterproof, warm(ish) gear? I can get a full set (boots, pants, jacket, gloves) from Alpinestars for roughly 1,200USD. I wouldn't really be in anything much colder than 40˚F. Are there better brands or value to consider? This is for road riding, if that makes a difference.
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Aug 29, 2020 05:15
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Rev'it makes good WP stuff too, Forma for boots, mix and match until you find something that suites you at the right cost.
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Aug 29, 2020 05:39
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Elviscat posted:Rev'it makes good WP stuff too, Forma for boots, mix and match until you find something that suites you at the right cost. revit is awesome and their larger sizes actually fit non-lanky proportioned humans with plenty of adjustment straps to cinch in loose areas. Their gloves are one of the only brands with wide enough palms and a ring finger without a cm of loose space like Astar. Im really happy with every piece of revit gear i have. Tornado 2 jacket and pants, Cayenne jacket and 3 pairs of gloves with various lengths and breath-ability. Their adventure gear feels like Klim-lite. A lot of the venting and protection but less insane prices
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Toe Rag posted:What is recommended for waterproof, warm(ish) gear? I can get a full set (boots, pants, jacket, gloves) from Alpinestars for roughly 1,200USD. I wouldn't really be in anything much colder than 40˚F. Are there better brands or value to consider? This is for road riding, if that makes a difference. I'm big on GoreTex 2- or 3-layer shells. GoreTex guarantees garments with it are waterproof for life as long as the GoreTex layer isn't damaged. I don't worry about insulation built into the riding gear, just armor and waterproofing. I handle warmth with layers or a heated jacket liner and gloves if it's really loving cold. Try and avoid zip-out waterproof liners - the rest of the garment will get soaked in the rain, making it really heavy, and the liner itself never breathes for poo poo. You end up cold and clammy. Being cold and wet on a long ride is straight up dangerous. FWIW, Rukka is based in Finland and their cold weather riding gear is for-loving-real, but it is also stupid expensive. Rev'It, Rukka, A*s, Klim, Dianese all sell touring and adventure gear with GoreTex shells, but it is spendy. Everyone but Rukka and Klim also offer a house brand waterproof barrier that doesn't work as well as GoreTex either from a waterproofing or breathability standpoint, but is way cheaper. I will pay more for GoreTex because I know it works, but unless you get a good deal on clearance you'll be looking at $1K+ for a jacket and pants. My current winter gear is the A*s Guayana jacket and pants (caught on closeout), a couple of different pairs of GoreTex gloves depending on how cold it is (Held gloves with no insulation, another Held set with thin insulation, a Dainese set that's basically snow gloves with armor), and some Sidi Canyon GoreTex boots that I've had for 12+ years. Previously I had a Firstgear TPG jacket and pants that were only "waterproof" - they had a DWR coating that would keep you dry in a quick sprinkle but couldn't deal with actual rain. Keep an eye on the ADVRider Flea Market, you can frequently catch high end gear there in really good shape for cheap. Another option: Mosko Moto makes a really nice waterproof pant/jacket combo that uses eVent, which breathes better than GoreTex, but you will have to put separate armor and insulation underneath it - they are just shells. You're still looking at $1k+, too.
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Aug 29, 2020 06:40
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The reason GoreTex is so good is that W.L. Gore is insanely protective of their trademark and product and so clothing manufacturers who want to use the GoreTex name not only have to buy the fabric but also meet W.L. Gores standards for the finished product including seams, connectors etc. Another fabric could be just as good as GoreTex but if the seams, zippers or sewing are inferior they could let in water.
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Aug 29, 2020 16:09
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Toe Rag posted:What is recommended for waterproof, warm(ish) gear? I can get a full set (boots, pants, jacket, gloves) from Alpinestars for roughly 1,200USD. I wouldn't really be in anything much colder than 40˚F. Are there better brands or value to consider? This is for road riding, if that makes a difference.
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Jazzzzz posted:Another option: Mosko Moto makes a really nice waterproof pant/jacket combo that uses eVent, which breathes better than GoreTex, but you will have to put separate armor and insulation underneath it - they are just shells. You're still looking at $1k+, too. yeah I run mosko’s stuff since I commute by motorcycle 5 days a week and it is excellent stuff. their deluge jacket is fantastic and is every bit as good as my old hand me down canadian-made arcteryx shell I got several years ago. their price on that whole set up rules too cause layering is the best system imho, but you do end up paying for it. it’s nice to be able to buy it piece by piece though!
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I more and more want a Mesh jacket, because Ryan F9s arguments have convinced me about the general safety as long as there are good protectors and reinforced pockets. However none of the ones he recommended in recent videos are available here.
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Aug 29, 2020 20:17
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SEKCobra posted:I more and more want a Mesh jacket, because Ryan F9s arguments have convinced me about the general safety as long as there are good protectors and reinforced pockets. Can someone clarify, because they're not that popular in the UK (weirdly enough) - when people talk about mesh jackets, are they talking about heavily-vented conventional leather or nylon gear, like the Dainese Air-Frame range:  Or the MX-style undersuits that are basically the bare minimum material required to keep body armour in place: 
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I’ve always heard jackets referred to in three categories Leather/perforated leather Textile Jackets Mesh Jackets So my reference for a textile jacket is something like the Dainese Superspeed Textile which has no leather to speak of but is heavily vented nylon, and then mesh I’ve understood to be even more open but still with structural arms and skid areas. Not the MX undersuits you mentioned. But I may be 100% off base.
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Aug 29, 2020 22:27
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I was thinking something like the Icon Mesh AF
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So it'd be fair to say a mesh jacket is a conventional jacket where ventilation has been put basically everywhere that's not a likely impact/slide zone? (There's a CE diagram that demonstrates this but it's on my other computer) I assumed people meant the MX gear because normally when I see mesh gear being debated it's over the safety compared to conventional gear, but that might just be them getting confused about the definition too.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So it'd be fair to say a mesh jacket is a conventional jacket where ventilation has been put basically everywhere that's not a likely impact/slide zone? (There's a CE diagram that demonstrates this but it's on my other computer) This is what I mean by mesh at any rate. I've got a rev'it airwave jacket and it is like 75% mesh, but has armour textile on all the bits that might touch the ground in a crash. I don't know what I'd call that MX stuff.
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Aug 29, 2020 23:06
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RevZilla has that kind of stuff under armored shirts 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So it'd be fair to say a mesh jacket is a conventional jacket where ventilation has been put basically everywhere that's not a likely impact/slide zone? (There's a CE diagram that demonstrates this but it's on my other computer) Mesh jacket typically refers to something like that Dainese Airwave, the neon green Fox thing is an armored shirt like kloa said You typically don't wear any sort of jacket, mesh or otherwise, for MX/dirt - you wear a jersey over an armored shirt or under a roost protector. SEKobra, what brands of gear are available where you live, and what kind of budget are you working with?
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Jazzzzz posted:Keep an eye on the ADVRider Flea Market, you can frequently catch high end gear there in really good shape for cheap. Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I would definitely prefer Gore-Tex, but it seems limited to mostly higher end ADV style gear which is probably way overkill for me. I like the stuff from Klim, but definitely more than I want to spend at the moment. I'll have to check out Rukka. right arm posted:yeah I run mosko’s stuff since I commute by motorcycle 5 days a week and it is excellent stuff. their deluge jacket is fantastic and is every bit as good as my old hand me down canadian-made arcteryx shell I got several years ago. their price on that whole set up rules too cause layering is the best system imho, but you do end up paying for it. it’s nice to be able to buy it piece by piece though! Is there anything about Mosko that makes it "motorcycle specific" or a better option than wearing a waterproof shell you already have? I have a Marmot jacket and pants, but I wonder if it wouldn't stay together in the wind and let water in? My bike doesn't put out too much heat, so I don't think I have to worry about anything melting. Maybe I can just start with boots, gloves, and a shell, and go from there.
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Toe Rag posted:Is there anything about Mosko that makes it "motorcycle specific" or a better option than wearing a waterproof shell you already have? I have a Marmot jacket and pants, but I wonder if it wouldn't stay together in the wind and let water in? My bike doesn't put out too much heat, so I don't think I have to worry about anything melting. I prefer it to my arcteryx gear for motorcycle riding because: - cuffs are designed with a stretchable lining so you don't have to gently caress with velcro with gloves on since it is designed as a "oh poo poo, it's raining, better layer up" garment - hood is removable - cheaper ($250 vs $500+ for arcteryx in the event you go down) - mosko will fix your poo poo for free if you gently caress it up in the first two years of wearing it. if it's really hosed they'll sell you a replacement cheap - they are (were) local to me and while their stuff is made overseas they acknowledge it, don't hide it, and do a ton of stuff for the community - packs insanely small into a small rectangle that is designed to be packed on to the bike if I were in your situation and already had a wp jacket and pants I'd just snag some goretex boots and gloves and then you could move on to a shell if you've got further money to burn. no sense in replacing stuff that still works imho e: pricing
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Since we're talking adverse weather great, how realistic is it to throw on a layer of thermals under my summer gear for cool/cold weather (coming from socal, where it's not going to get THAT cold).
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I wore a fleece zip-up under my mesh jacket a couple times in February when it was in the mid-upper 50s and it worked pretty well, but if it was much colder or if it rained I would have frozen to death.
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Glass of Milk posted:Since we're talking adverse weather great, how realistic is it to throw on a layer of thermals under my summer gear for cool/cold weather (coming from socal, where it's not going to get THAT cold). it’s realistic. biggest thing is going to be blocking the wind. if you’re looking at mid 50s as cold then I’d say you’d be fine with a wp jacket, thermal underwear, and regular clothes.
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Def need wind chill protection on those fingies. You can bundle up with compression stuff/hoodies/long sleeves all day, but if your hands get cold it sucks.
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Jazzzzz posted:SEKobra, what brands of gear are available where you live, and what kind of budget are you working with? I think I have seen every major brand at some point, but the stores around here only seem to stock like one or two products from every brand. Since I need a somewhat larger size jacket, I don't want to buy without test fitting. Budget-wise I'm willing to pay for quality, but I don't WANT to spend much more than 200€ as it's just a hot weather garment that has little other use.
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You will have access to brands that we don't get stateside (Berik, Blauer, Furygan, Ixon, etc.) and US brands like Icon and Klim will be more expensive. If you need larger sizes I'd recommend looking at Rev'It Airwave 3 - it's ~160 Euro from fc-moto.de, should be similar prices elsewhere in the EU. Rev'It is a Dutch brand, they make stuff that fits tall people well and their gear is high quality.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Can someone clarify, because they're not that popular in the UK (weirdly enough) - when people talk about mesh jackets, are they talking about heavily-vented conventional leather or nylon gear, like the Dainese Air-Frame range: Urban Rider definitely carries mesh jackets in the UK, such as this one: https://www.urbanrider.co.uk/helstons-modelo-textile-jacket-brown.html
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Jazzzzz posted:You will have access to brands that we don't get stateside (Berik, Blauer, Furygan, Ixon, etc.) and US brands like Icon and Klim will be more expensive. Haha I'm not tall, I'm wide.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Can someone clarify, because they're not that popular in the UK (weirdly enough) - when people talk about mesh jackets, are they talking about heavily-vented conventional leather or nylon gear, like the Dainese Air-Frame range: A mix of both. The former is protective everywhere at the cost of airflow, but the latter is protective only where the panels are. The yellow bits are just fabric. Usually mesh jackets are made of a tough mesh fabric (some are CE rated for abrasion) with leather/codura panels in the key abrasion areas and pockets for impact protectors. Knox Urbane Pro is a nearly 100% mesh jacket. Mesh everywhere, abrasion rated, can be worn on its own. The A* Luc Air has solid panels in the key abrasion areas and “abrasion resistant” mesh everywhere else. Both take your standard foam/d3o inserts at the joints/back.
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Horse Clocks posted:Knox Urbane Pro is a nearly 100% mesh jacket. Mesh everywhere, abrasion rated, can be worn on its own. That seems like an absolutely ideal thing to own. I guess I have two questions. Can you throw a non-bike-specific winter/waterproof jacket over it and it's still functional as abrasion/impact protection? And is it any good at abrasion protection?
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Elector_Nerdlingen posted:That seems like an absolutely ideal thing to own. I guess I have two questions. They sell non-protective “motorcycle” jackets to go over the top of it. And going by the wording on their promo material, it’s mesh is CE abrasion resistant. It does seem like the ideal squid jacket to hide under a hoodie. Unfortunately, it feels like it’s been cut for more selvete men than me. I don’t have particularly broad shoulders, but it felt very tight therej.
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I was thinking more about throwing a jumper and/or an oilskin over it in the winter and then wearing it on its own in the summer. But if it's slim cut that probably rules me right out. I'll see if I can find one to try on if my state ever comes out of lockdown though because it sounds like it should be great.
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